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Replicant said:
Flash Thompson in the comic was meant to be the antithesis of Harry Osbourne in that he's the type of person that Peter didn't get along with when he was younger but gradually turned into friends due to them realizing that they have a lot more in common than they think and because Flash is maturing into a better person. Whereas Harry was meant to be the good friend that you lost as you grow up because he turns out to be shady and not as good as you thought he was.
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The only thing I see people really complaining about was how fast the change was made, but it was clear they kind of wanted the change to be encompassed in this film.

Besides, given some of the responses here people would've bitched how "it was left unresolved!!!!" if the character change WASN'T complete. I mean, we're already getting people who can't appear to wrap their heads around the concept of "setting up something for the next movie" (read: breaking the promise with Gwen).
 
Solo said:
Removing ASM, which I will probably see Monday, I would agree with those rankings.

Also, this clip is what I love about Spidey 2 in just a few minutes. Ock's redemption, MJ seeing Peter as Spidey. People rag on Elfman's score, but he nailed this scene.
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It is a wonderful sequence. For some reason the movie didn't connect with me when I saw it upon release but now it really moves me. Elfman's score is really great here too, as you said.

It's a shame Spider-Man 3 turned out the way it did. Seeing how SM2 ended, I expected SM3 to start with MJ/Peter in love, things are pretty much worked out and he is ready to face new challenges as Spider-Man with resolve and confidence. Instead, we get more Peter/MJ drama. WTF?
 
kunonabi said:
I got the feeling Flash had lost someone and knew what Peter was going though. You don't have to be friends to understand that sort of pain and try to help.
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i don't think it's too hard to relate or be sympathetic to someone who loses their "father." the scene worked just fine.
 
anaron said:
EXACTLY

So, so good.
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It's the reason I cannot understand those who hate on these movies. Yes, they are cheesey. Yes, the plots are simple. But they have a sincerity and a realness (in spite of being a fantasy) to them that I haven't found elsewhere in the genre outside of Christopher Nolan's movies. Nobody's movies have the emotional undercurrent and heart that Raimi's did. Most don't even attempt to. I loved The Avengers, but there wasn't even the slightest attempt to mine any kind of emotional journey for the characters or audience. Spidey 2 works so well because most young adults can empathize with the world constantly shitting on you, and how good it feels when something finally does go your way, and EVERYONE can sympathize with the themes of sacrifice for the greater good.


Raimi, I salute you!
 
royalan said:
Just came back from seeing the movie...

God, I don't think a movie has ever managed to bore me to tears SO quickly. Five minutes in and I was checking my phone.

That, and Andrew Garfield was a god-awful Peter Parker. I just never got the impression that he had a handle on how he was going to play him. One minute he's a super-dweeb and speaking in whispers (which was really annoying from an a viewer's perspective). Next scene he's charming and sexy. Next scene he's a badass dripping in Dane Cook-esque humor. It was like watching 5 different actors play the same character at once.

It really made me appreciate Toby Maquire's Peter Parker. He walked that line of the adorkable, emo badass cohesively. He rarely broke my belief in his character.
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I honestly can't remember a scene where "Peter Parker" was badass. Spiderman on the other hand, was badass throughout the entire movie. That's sort of how it works. He's a completely different person when he puts the mask on.

Toby, IMO, was horrid as spidey. He never had the one liner humor spidey is known for, he looked 30 in the first movie, and he's too muscular. Spidey is a tiny dude.
 
Jeremy Renner's so boring. Replacing him with Joaquin Phoenix for the Master is the biggest step-up since Stuart Townsend getting dropped for Viggo as Aragorn.
 
EatinOlives said:
The only thing I see people really complaining about was how fast the change was made, but it was clear they kind of wanted the change to be encompassed in this film.

Besides, given some of the responses here people would've bitched how "it was left unresolved!!!!" if the character change WASN'T complete. I mean, we're already getting people who can't appear to wrap their heads around the concept of "setting up something for the next movie" (read: breaking the promise with Gwen).
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Pretty much. They have no idea if there will be sequel or not so they have to wrap up his character arc immediately in one film. And as you said, the mass audience tend to be impatient and seem unable to use their deductive logic.
 
anaron said:
Even with Spiderman 3 being...Spiderman 3, it still contains one of my absolute favourite shots ever, which is - MJ dropping down as she sees the truck unhinge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-NSw8XItlg#t=4m58s

STUNNING TBH
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With her being the one in danger in every fucking movie, I was practically asleep by then. If that's stunning to you....

What I found stunning in SM3 was how they nailed the symbiote clinging onto him. I mean, the whole scene is sort of lame (flash backs/nightmares about Ben/laying in the apartment wearing a spidey suit) but the motions of that little wormlike tar substance clinging to him was awesome. It was one of those things where it moved exactly like I thought it would/should. Everything else about venom... not so much.
 
It's a shame Spider-Man 3 turned out the way it did. Seeing how SM2 ended, I expected SM3 to start with MJ/Peter in love, things are pretty much worked out and he is ready to face new challenges as Spider-Man with resolve and confidence. Instead, we get more Peter/MJ drama. WTF?
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Totally. That's what personally bothers me more than anything in that film. The MJ/Peter drama is so obnoxiously contrived and badly written, moreso than ever.


And I too was really looking forward to Spiderman finally being confident and yes, spouting off more of that loveable snark. I honestly feel like Raimi was building towards him becoming that guy, but everything went to hell with Venom being forced in and whatnot.
 
Regarding the post credits scene,
I personally think that was mysterio

All in all, solid movie. All those scenes got cut, but no romance did? I thought there was a tad too much, especially for a movie that should be half focused on kids. Emma Stone is 10x better than Dunst also. Also, anyone notice the hilarious fact that
When Gwens dad finds out its Peter, he says hurry, you're the only one who can make it in time, than proceeds to arrive at the scene at the same time as peter. Lol
 
Just saw it. Fucking loved it. Andrew Garfield makes a much better Spidey. And he's super cute. I also loved, loved, loved his relationship with Gwen Stacey. Felt much better to me than the one with MJ from the old movies.

Can't wait for the sequel! When's it coming out? :p
 
Sentry said:
With her being the one in danger in every fucking movie, I was practically asleep by then. If that's stunning to you....

What I found stunning in SM3 was how they nailed the symbiote clinging onto him. I mean, the whole scene is sort of lame (flash backs/nightmares about Ben/laying in the apartment wearing a spidey suit) but the motions of that little wormlike tar substance clinging to him was awesome. It was one of those things where it moved exactly like I thought it would/should. Everything else about venom... not so much.
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The sand effects and Sandman's transformation scene were great too. Shame they were wasted on SM3.
 
Pyrokai said:
Just saw it. Fucking loved it. Andrew Garfield makes a much better Spidey. And he's super cute. I also loved, loved, loved his relationship with Gwen Stacey. Felt much better to me than the one with MJ from the old movies.

Can't wait for the sequel! When's it coming out? :p
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Spring 2014.

SmithnCo said:
The sand effects and Sandman's transformation scene were great too. Shame they were wasted on SM3.
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YES, behind Doc Ock that was my favorite sort of villain origin scene in a while. They nailed the 'sustaining a form with sand' feel. Honestly, SM3 is decent until mid/half way through. Then it falls to shit.
 
anaron said:
Even with Spiderman 3 being...Spiderman 3, it still contains one of my absolute favourite shots ever, which is - MJ dropping down as she sees the truck unhinge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-NSw8XItlg#t=4m58s

STUNNING TBH
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Spidey 3 also has the Sandman birth scene, which is goddamn fucking spectacular. Its fascinating, weird and kind of melancholy (due to the score) all at once.

The end fight was dumb too, but I did also like Harry's death scene.

JB1981 said:
It is a wonderful sequence. For some reason the movie didn't connect with me when I saw it upon release but now it really moves me. Elfman's score is really great here too, as you said.

It's a shame Spider-Man 3 turned out the way it did. Seeing how SM2 ended, I expected SM3 to start with MJ/Peter in love, things are pretty much worked out and he is ready to face new challenges as Spider-Man with resolve and confidence. Instead, we get more Peter/MJ drama. WTF?
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You know, I always thought the way to go with Spider-Man 3 was so goddamn obvious and simple: Harry becomes the Green Goblin (or Hobgoblin). No other villains, no goofy amnesia plot devices, just simply Harry taking the same juice his father did and losing it like his father did. Ending with the twist of Peter being able to save Harry where he was unable to save Norman. Also, not a fucking terrible visual design for New Goblin like the one they used. Snowboarding Harry WTF.

But basically: simple, character-focused plot that brings the whole thing back around and closes the loop and does justice to the arcs of Peter/Harry/MJ.

Instead.........Venom/Sandman/Amnesia/Gwen/etc......bleh
 
LOZLINK said:
When Gwens dad finds out its Peter, he says hurry, you're the only one who can make it in time, than proceeds to arrive at the scene at the same time as peter. Lol
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Oh wow, I didn't even think about that. I wonder how he got there without cranes?

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Well now, that we're mentioning things we liked about SM3.. I always liked the part where Peter whips the goblin bomb back at Harry. That was like the height of his 'evil emoness', totally showing something badass and coldhearted that Peter would never do if he didn't have the symbiote effecting him.
 
Avi Arad wanted Venom and another producer wanted Gwen Stacey. The Stacey character was just supposed to be some random woman who turns Peter's head, never meant to be Gwen until some Marvel or Sony exec insisted that it be Gwen Stacey "for the fans."
 
With her being the one in danger in every fucking movie, I was practically asleep by then. If that's stunning to you....
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Huh? I'm talking about the direction. It's beautifully shot.


I hate the damsel shit as much as the next person.
 
LOZLINK said:
Regarding the post credits scene,
I personally think that was mysterio

All in all, solid movie. All those scenes got cut, but no romance did? I thought there was a tad too much, especially for a movie that should be half focused on kids.
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I think all of that is really going to pay off in the inevitable
death scene
in whichever sequel. I hope they don't do it in ASM2 just so it'll be more of an emotional impact.

One thing about SM1 that always kind of bugged me is why, despite being in love with MJ, he was so reluctant to tell her who he was. He had never learned before that point WHY he shouldn't tell her. It was just some assumed wisdom he had. But in reality a traumatic event like a death of a loved one due to him being SM is what would prolong you telling someone you love that fact. That'll be what makes the MJ romance in future ASM movies (assuming it happens) so good, because we'd have all that baggage of Gwen. Hopefully they don't fuck it up.

anaron said:
Huh? I'm talking about the direction. It's beautifully shot.

I hate the damsel shit as much as the next person.
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It felt almost exactly like some of the other damsel shots from SM1 and even SM2. The close ups, the audio effect, etc. That's why it felt tried for me personally, just seemed like I'd seen something similar before.
 
JB1981 said:
Avi Arad wanted Venom and another producer wanted Gwen Stacey. The Stacey character was just supposed to be some random woman who turns Peter's head, never meant to be Gwen until some Marvel or Sony exec insisted that it be Gwen Stacey "for the fans."
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Yep. Raimi didn't want Venom or Gwen.

It still amazes me. Raimi had enough clout in the making of S-M2 to rebuke the 2 villain approach Sony wanted in favour of 1 villain. And yet after S-M2 makes Sony EVEN MORE cash, they decide Sam's opinion doesn't matter anymore. The fuck?
 
Misterhbk said:
I honestly can't remember a scene where "Peter Parker" was badass. Spiderman on the other hand, was badass throughout the entire movie. That's sort of how it works. He's a completely different person when he puts the mask on.

Toby, IMO, was horrid as spidey. He never had the one liner humor spidey is known for, he looked 30 in the first movie, and he's too muscular. Spidey is a tiny dude.
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The badass "Peter Parker" parker scene I'm thinking of is pretty much every moment he spent with Gwen at her place.
ESPECIALLY when she was nursing his wounds.

My roommates and I were sitting in the theater just shaking our heads. At the beginning of the movie he could barely TALK (literally, in some cases). When the fuck did he become James Dean?
 
I feel like the SM3 VFX were a step back from SM2. The aerial work felt very plastic and weightless again.

This is something that AMS nails really well. The swinging is just on a whole different level, far more believable and more exhilirating.
 
JB1981 said:
I feel like the SM3 VFX were a step back from SM2.
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It was.

Not to say that the series' CG was ever amazing, but in S-M2's train sequence, it was damned good and at the very least, passable.

The glider fight/chase early in S-M3 is the stuff of nightmares. Terrible CG, floaty effects, whole thing looks straight out of a videogame. S-M2 train fight had weight and momentum.
 
Solo said:
Spidey 3 also has the Sandman birth scene, which is goddamn fucking spectacular. Its fascinating, weird and kind of melancholy (due to the score) all at once.

The end fight was dumb too, but I did also like Harry's death scene.
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Death scene or dying scene? That whole "BUDDY!" shit still gets me. So cheesy. I'm almost glad the franchise died with Harry tbh, nothing would be able to fill his void appropriately imo.

The worst thing about SM3 is simply that we can't see an awesome venom in a SM movie any time soon. Same thing with sandman, so much wasted on him imo. I hated the whole giant monster bullshit.

I keep coming back to this, but how they deal with the villains in the ASM sequels is going to be really tricky imo.
 
Sentry said:
It felt almost exactly like some of the other damsel shots from SM1 and even SM2. The close ups, the audio effect, etc. That's why it felt tried for me personally, just seemed like I'd seen something similar before.
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To each their own I suppose. I adore the weight its framing provided for the situation.
 
I'm just bummed that it will likely be YEARS before a Mysterio-as-villain Spidey movie gets made. Would have been pitch perfect for Raimi, but its waaaaay too kitschy for Webb's "grounded" take, and he'll be doing at least 2 more films.

However, I could see Kraven being done in this series.
 
Solo said:
It's the reason I cannot understand those who hate on these movies. Yes, they are cheesey. Yes, the plots are simple. But they have a sincerity and a realness (in spite of being a fantasy) to them that I haven't found elsewhere in the genre outside of Christopher Nolan's movies. Nobody's movies have the emotional undercurrent and heart that Raimi's did. Most don't even attempt to. I loved The Avengers, but there wasn't even the slightest attempt to mine any kind of emotional journey for the characters or audience. Spidey 2 works so well because most young adults can empathize with the world constantly shitting on you, and how good it feels when something finally does go your way, and EVERYONE can sympathize with the themes of sacrifice for the greater good.


Raimi, I salute you!
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Yes, this is why i love Spider-Man 1 and 2 and those are some traits i gravitate to towards any film i want to watch. That scene you posted had so much build up from the first movie to that moment and when it happens you just get that feeling that is so few movies accomplish.

The ASM doesn't reach those heights or a moment that strong(I still enjoyed it a lot for what it was), but it being a reboot it had a lot of baggage it had to get out of its chest which it did. Now with the Origin story reestablished for this Spider-Man and the romance established, the sequel has a ton of potential to be great.
 
royalan said:
The badass "Peter Parker" parker scene I'm thinking of is pretty much every moment he spent with Gwen at her place.
ESPECIALLY when she was nursing his wounds.

My roommates and I were sitting in the theater just shaking our heads. At the beginning of the movie he could barely TALK (literally, in some cases). When the fuck did he become James Dean?
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And why did no one talk about the obvious
shit-smell that was undoubtedly all over him after his sewer adventure?
 
AwesomeSauce said:
Yes, this is why i love Spider-Man 1 and 2 and those are some traits i gravitate to towards any film i want to watch. That scene you posted had so much build up from the first movie to that moment and when it happens you just get that feeling that is so few movies accomplish.
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Yup. That moment is so powerful because it's 110% completely earned. They took the time and set it up over 2 movies, so that moment is essentially a catharsis 4 hours (or 2 years in real world time) in the making.

It's the same reason why the final scene/lines in Batman Begins works flawlessly - it had been earned.
 
Lizard was pretty ridiculous so I could see Mysterio happen. At face value, a guy who uses sophisticated holograms and gas and stuff doesn't seem as far fetched as a guy who turns into a reptile.

Might not be a huge draw for audiences but it would be a welcome change of pace.
 
Solo said:
Yep. Raimi didn't want Venom or Gwen.

It still amazes me. Raimi had enough clout in the making of S-M2 to rebuke the 2 villain approach Sony wanted in favour of 1 villain. And yet after S-M2 makes Sony EVEN MORE cash, they decide Sam's opinion doesn't matter anymore. The fuck?
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Didn't Raimi begin to like Venom and grow upon that arc? It's not like it was rammed up his ass or anything. 1 villain or 2, SM3 would've been shit if the same sandman plot was used.

We forget the whole fake hobgoblin thing, but that was also one of the worst bits of SM3. It's what prevented MJ and Peter from finally just being a damn couple for more than three seconds. We never felt they had a connection or saw them 'being in love' enough, like we do in ASM.

Solo said:
I'm just bummed that it will likely be YEARS before a Mysterio-as-villain Spidey movie gets made. Would have been pitch perfect for Raimi, but its waaaaay too kitschy for Webb's "grounded" take, and he'll be doing at least 2 more films.

However, I could see Kraven being done in this series.
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Raimi SM or Webb SM, Mysterio would never have been a 1:1 of the comics version. Changes would have to be made to who that character is on a root level for it to work. Have you read the v2 issues of Ult. SM? That version of Mysterio could work, in a mind fuck sort of way. And at the same time, they could introduce Felecia.

Kraven alone would be super lame imo. Him and Chameleon somehow could work.
 
Solo said:
I'm just bummed that it will likely be YEARS before a Mysterio-as-villain Spidey movie gets made. Would have been pitch perfect for Raimi, but its waaaaay too kitschy for Webb's "grounded" take, and he'll be doing at least 2 more films.

However, I could see Kraven being done in this series.
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Sounds like torture, hopefully the rumors circulating about Sony replacing him are true--he clearly over stepped his bounds with this one and it shows.
 
Saw it just now. While I liked alot of aspects of it, the whole movie was a huge mess. It just felt so badly paced, disjointed, full of plot holes, and just couldn't seem to focus on the tone of movie it was going for. Garfield makes a great Spiderman, but this actually bored me in so many parts. And everything with the Lizard was awful and forgettable. Even the script seemed to forget about it at times.
 
I dunno, you could start with the idea of Mysterio being a special effects/stuntman for the movies. But I think the problem in film-form is how to make him a real threat for Spidey.


Anth0ny said:
soooooooooooo good.

Nothing in Amazing comes even close to this. I had to laugh when my friends walked out of the theatre claiming it "shit on spidey 1 and 2 in every way".
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*brofist*
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Sigh, because if you mess with one of us yo...oh wait.

Again, it's the reasoning WHY that type of scene is in there. Any type of scenario of citizens assisting Spider-Man is going to be pretty corny to any degree. As a fan of the comics, I like having a scene like that in the films. If I wasn't, probably not nearly as much.

The time allotted for them to group together is really the only absurd thing. Based off the information given by the Bugle newscast, it's pretty clear to understand why Spider-Man is trying to get from Point A to Point B, and why he is having difficulty doing so.

I've seen the Statue of Liberty walk using a Nintendo controller. I have a pretty thick shell after that.
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Jarmel said:
Sure, I love the premise that while a person shouldn't do a good act because they expect something out of it, you never know who you'll be helping. It's the randomness of it that I liked.
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Sure, I can respect the idea of it. It's the execution. There are ways to execute such a thing - many ways, in fact - that aren't internal logic breaking pieces which stretches all possible suspension of disbelief. Unlike when I laughed @ Andrew Garfield's cry, many people DID laugh at this moment. It was just so ridiculous, and I mean so ridiculous that it stood out even in a movie with a giant lizard.

But, to each their own I suppose.
 
Just realized Gwen's "You're a wanted man, Peter Parker." line from the trailer is missing from the actual film--with all these cut scenes it's no wonder this film is such an absolute mess.
 
Good Job Bob said:
Sounds like torture, hopefully the rumors circulating about Sony replacing him are true--he clearly over stepped his bounds with this one and it shows.
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The fuck? You're the first person i've heard say this. :lol I feel quite the opposite, sequel is practically doomed (esp. with the script re-write) if he isn't the one in charge.

Given the numbers and reception so far I think they'll have him onboard again.
 
Anth0ny said:
soooooooooooo good.

No moment in Amazing comes even close to engaging the audience like this. I had to laugh when my friends walked out of the theatre claiming it "shit on spidey 1 and 2 in every way".
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This while true, I feel with Gwen Stacy being a tragic character and sequels if handled well since all the baggage of the origin is out and romance/character established, they got themselves a nice setup to that moment.
 
Solo said:
I'm just bummed that it will likely be YEARS before a Mysterio-as-villain Spidey movie gets made. Would have been pitch perfect for Raimi, but its waaaaay too kitschy for Webb's "grounded" take, and he'll be doing at least 2 more films.

However, I could see Kraven being done in this series.
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Amazing Spider-Man literally has a giant lizard as the main villain. This isn't Nolan's Batman universe or whatever people are saying. It's most like Donner's first two Superman movies in terms of how it handles the fantastical elements.
 
Does anyone else think this famous GIF needs an addendum?

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If Spiderman 3 made us regard the whole trilogy as shit... I think Amazing Spiderman has rekindled a lot of love for Spiderman 1 and 2.

And I don't even think ASM was bad... but it made me really nostalgic and appreciative of the first two again. I definitely loved them more in their time than I'm loving ASM now, which had some good points, but also leaves me scratching my head a day after seeing it...
 
Good Job Bob said:
Just realized Gwen's "You're a wanted man, Peter Parker." line from the trailer is missing from the actual film--with all these cut scenes it's no wonder this film is such an absolute mess.
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So much of what was in the trailers that I genuinely liked was cut. I think the whole Connors line "if you want the truth Peter, come and get it" was that throw down moment that a few people were wanting. Wouldve been great.
 
LOZLINK said:
All in all, solid movie. All those scenes got cut, but no romance did? I thought there was a tad too much, especially for a movie that should be half focused on kids. Emma Stone is 10x better than Dunst also. Also, anyone notice the hilarious fact that
When Gwens dad finds out its Peter, he says hurry, you're the only one who can make it in time, than proceeds to arrive at the scene at the same time as peter. Lol
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I'm pretty sure he said "You're the only one who could make it in time" BEFORE he got shot. Y'know, that probably slowed him down just a bit.
 
That cop was an asshole. At least two cops were too trigger happy. That one cop literally had a gun to Peter's face and pulled the trigger. What.
 
Sentry said:
The fuck? You're the first person i've heard say this. :lol I feel quite the opposite, sequel is practically doomed (esp. with the script re-write) if he isn't the one in charge.

Given the numbers and reception so far I think they'll have him onboard again.
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I don't get it, what about Webb's direction did you like? Was it the complete lack of any sort of vision or personality? Was it the absolutely schizophrenic tone and dull pacing? The gibberish, disjointed 'naturalistic' dialogue?

I liked 500 Days of Summer, and Webb seems like a cool enough dude, but he failed utterly here in my opinion--the last thing I want is him returning for a sequel.
 
I kinda wish they had paid Elfman to use the main theme of the original trilogy. Would have gone a long way...
 
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