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[Korey]

I forgot to elaborate on my review so here it is:

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Elaborating on The Bad:


1. Parker suddenly morphs into a wisecracker for single awkward scene.

What the hell was this scene? So fucking awkward. The first time he confronts a bad guy (the car thief) as Spider-man, Garfield suddenly turns into this witty wisecracking guy when he's not like that AT ALL in the rest of the movie, before or after that scene. So out of place and forced, it's crazy.​

2. The Lizard looks like a Goomba from the Super Mario Bros. movie.

3. More people know Spider-man’s identity than don’t.

He takes off his mask...a lot. I don't think there was a scene where he didn't take off his mask or reveal to the other character in the scene who he was. His camera says "Property of Peter Parker" on it.​

4. The cranes and the crane guy. Corny as fuck and went on forever.

[Chandler] Could this forced, corny ass scene have gone on any longer? The crane guy is the dad of the kid he saved? They miraculously had cranes in a row and the dude was smart enough to know in 1.4 seconds exactly what Spidey needed help with?​

5. Parker’s parents’ outcome handled very poorly.

Peter Parker is super mad and angry tears at his parents for not being there, then Bings them and in a newspaper clip it says they died in a plane crash.​

6. A LOT of shameless Sony product placement.

For some reason I wasn't as pissed about Bing as I was of Vaio and Xperia.​

7. Flash Thompson’s character evolution doesn’t make any sense.

Can someone please explain to me this character? He goes from making fun of and beating up Parker to being humiliated by Parker on the bball court to consoling him about Uncle Ben's death (which Parker slams him against the locker), to hugging him in the hallway. Errrr... were we supposed to figure out he's a changed person from something? Why is he nice to Parker? Why is he nice to Parker after Parker has been really mean to him? WTF​

10. Jeremy Renner is in one of the previews before the movie.

For the love of god, stop it Hollywood. Just stop.​

Previous reviews:
The Avengers (9/10)

 

[brandonh83]

For one, it never reaches the cheese from the original Spider-Man film trilogy (which is Raimi's style anyway). The second issue I have is when people stop believing they are watching a summer film about a comic book superhero.

I just found it to be a very uplifting scene. It was why I loved the scene on the train in SM2 after he saved them, it's nice to see a character that goes through so much hell to finally get acknowledged or to receive a helping hand.

 

[noah111]

I like how every page is a mix of "I loved it, best SM evar" or "holy shit this is a joke". It's naturally somewhere in-between, but if you think this is completely mediocre and the past SM's weren't, you must be butthurt!

 

[Solo]

What?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I'm kinda excited to see this movie just so I have an opinion and can talk about what works and what doesn't.

 

[Tookay]

What?

Butthurt.

 

[Sanjuro]

I just found it to be a very uplifting scene. It was why I loved the scene on the train in SM2 after he saved them, it's nice to see a character that goes through so much hell to finally get acknowledged or to receive a helping hand.

Yeah, but people don't want to listen to any sort of reasoning. That is the exact point though.

You have arguably the most popular comic book character in Spider-Man. After that, he is the only notable comic book character who is linked to the largest city in the United States.

Nah...there is no link to any of this.

 

[Solo]

Butthurt.

:lol

 

[Good Job Bob]

I really didn't enjoy this film, and I don't even know where to begin on where it went wrong so I will just focus on the little I did like:

- Stan Lee cameo was seriously amazing, best one in any Marvel film by a long shot.

- The fight between Spider-Man and the Lizard in the school was pretty good.

- Emma Stone & Andrew Garfield are obviously great for these roles but they are so insanely held back by the script/direction that neither are really given a chance to shine.

- Spidey's movements are pretty much nailed to a tee.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I'M SWINGIN HERE
I'M SWINGIN HERE

 

[Escape Goat]

Yeah, but people don't want to listen to any sort of reasoning. That is the exact point though.

You have arguably the most popular comic book character in Spider-Man. After that, he is the only notable comic book character who is linked to the largest city in the United States.

Nah...there is no link to any of this.

Thats some rock solid logic. Game over folks. Crane scene is awesome.

 

[Sanjuro]

I really didn't enjoy this film, and I don't even know where to begin on where it went wrong so I will just focus on the little I did like:

- Stan Lee cameo was seriously amazing, best one in any Marvel film by a long shot.

- The fight between Spider-Man and the Lizard in the school was pretty good.

- Emma Stone & Andrew Garfield are obviously great for these roles but they are so insanely held back by the script/direction that neither are really given a chance to shine.

- Spidey's movements are pretty much nailed to a tee.

Even if you didn't love the film, it's very easy to come away enjoying Marc Webb's direction. Easily one of the most impressive feats considering his filmography to date.

Thats some rock solid logic. Game over folks. Crane scene is awesome.

It is, isn't it. I'm not saying it's awesome by any stretch. It's justs silly when people act surprised by it.

 

[LM4sure]

- Emma Stone & Andrew Garfield are obviously great for these roles but they are so insanely held back by the script/direction that neither are really given a chance to shine.

What? From what I've read, the direction was quite good. And this is from the director of 500 Days of Summer, so I would think he would nail those scenes where they're on camera together. It was probably more the script than the direction.

 

[Escape Goat]

Even if you didn't love the film, it's very easy to come away enjoying Marc Webb's direction. Easily one of the most impressive feats considering his filmography to date.




It is, isn't it. I'm not saying it's awesome by any stretch. It's justs silly when people act surprised by it.

:-/

 

[rollingstart]

I just found it to be a very uplifting scene. It was why I loved the scene on the train in SM2 after he saved them, it's nice to see a character that goes through so much hell to finally get acknowledged or to receive a helping hand.

I thought

Spoiler

seeing the spider-man graffiti was far more gratifying. The crane scene is cheesy but it setup a great bit of action and I don't have a problem with it.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

[/INDENT]


7. Flash Thompson’s character evolution doesn’t make any sense.

Can someone please explain to me this character? He goes from making fun of and beating up Parker to being humiliated by Parker on the bball court to consoling him about Uncle Ben's death (which Parker slams him against the locker), to hugging him in the hallway. Errrr... were we supposed to figure out he's a changed person from something? Why is he nice to Parker? Why is he nice to Parker after Parker has been really mean to him? WTF​

What's not to understand? He beat up Peter because Peter mocked him by addressing him by his real name, Eugene.

Then Peter got back at him by humiliating him while they were playing basketball - fair enough. Guys in high school will try to one-up each other whereever they can.

Finally, he finds out that Pete's uncle died, and he probably felt like ass for beating on him just a few days earlier and coupled with the subsequent tension between, he probably just wanted to break the ice and tell him that he's sorry for his loss. It was a surprisingly realistic arc for the character. Male testosterone is one thing, but it doesn't mean you can't show empathy when the need arises.

I'M SWINGIN HERE
I'M SWINGIN HERE

Fuuuuu. That's exactly what I was thinking when I heard him shout those lines.

 

[noah111]

Thats some rock solid logic. Game over folks. Crane scene is awesome.

:-/

Why so coy? Guy's trying to make a point, not to say it's the best scene in the movie.. Jesus, it's almost like some of you are offended by a different opinion or something.

 

[anaron]

I like how every page is a mix of "I loved it, best SM evar" or "holy shit this is a joke". It's naturally somewhere in-between, but if you think this is completely mediocre and the past SM's weren't, you must be butthurt!

Stop trying to justify your horrible taste, gawd.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Why so coy? Guy's trying to make a point, not to say it's the best scene in the movie.. Jesus, it's almost like some of you are offended by a different opinion or something.

but if you think this is completely mediocre and the past SM's weren't, you must be butthurt!

Ok, guy

 

[Tookay]

What? From what I've read, the direction was quite good. And this is from the director of 500 Days of Summer, so I would think he would nail those scenes where they're on camera together. It was probably more the script than the direction.

Direction is good in the sense that he has a good eye for on-screen chemistry. However, he leans on the "awkward stare, giggle" too much.

The action is also pretty good, but I'm guessing the 2nd unit or CG previz guys are mostly to thank for that.

 

[Dany]

Direction is good in the sense that he has a good eye for on-screen chemistry. However, he leans on the "awkward stare, giggle" too much.

The action is also pretty good, but I'm guessing the 2nd unit or CG previz guys are mostly to thank for that.

That worked for me. Them two are too adorable.

 

[Solo]

Why so coy? Guy's trying to make a point, not to say it's the best scene in the movie.. Jesus, it's almost like some of you are offended by a different opinion or something.

if you think this is completely mediocre and the past SM's weren't, you must be butthurt!

 

[Korey]

What's not to understand? He beat up Peter because Peter mocked him by addressing him by his real name, Eugene.

Then Peter got back at him by humiliating him while they were playing basketball - fair enough. Guys in high school will try to one-up each other whereever they can.

Finally, he finds out that Pete's uncle died, and he probably felt like ass for beating on him just a few days earlier and coupled with the subsequent tension between, he probably just wanted to break the ice and tell him that he's sorry for his loss. It was a surprisingly realistic arc for the character. Male testosterone is one thing, but it doesn't mean you can't show empathy when the need arises.

I don't know. His 360 was too extreme in the few 2 second clips we're shown of him in the movie.

 

[Sanjuro]

Why so coy? Guy's trying to make a point, not to say it's the best scene in the movie.. Jesus, it's almost like some of you are offended by a different opinion or something.

Nah, Hamburglar is good people. Each side to this argument has points anyway. Like I said, it's not the greatest sequence in the world.

I'm from Boston anyway. I just get wicked pissed when people act like dumb New Yorkers when there is a scene about dumb New Yorkers.

 

[noah111]

but if you think this is completely mediocre and the past SM's weren't, you must be butthurt!

Ok, guy

Mediocre =/= "not bad". The majority of impressions are either 'i loved it' or 'it was ok'. Surely there's going to be something wrong with it, but blowing up details to justify saying the entire thing is atrocious...

The way they dealt with his parents (among other things) is far worse than Flash (which was like the Ult. comics version) or the crane scene. Biggest issue is that certain things felt almost out of context or like something was missing. But overall it's a good movie and most seemed to enjoyed it. Not saying everyone will or should, just that it isn't an utter atrocity as some of the hyperbole a few are making color it to be.

http://www.abload.de/img/nicholsonnod4wkkw.gif[IMG][/QUOTE]
:lol I knew I could've added an emoticon.

 

[Amir0x]

heh. Seriously, how the heck is the Crane scene good? I mean, putting everything else aside for a moment. Here's a guy who saved his son, granted. What investment does everyone else have in Spidey exactly? And is this magical perfect crane lineup world, with a crane conveniently on every roof? And seriously, they had enough time to get up to their cranes to even be a factor? But ok, let's say they did... they were all clever enough to formulate a coherent plan regarding how Spider-man's webs work and how he would need such a thing (this involves some real spacial awareness) to get to Lizardman? I mean, any one element might be cheesy by itself, but the entire scene - played to ultimate SERIOUSFACEness and no self-awareness whatsoever - almost seems like self-parody. It's one of the worst individual movie scenes I've seen in five years. I'd love to hear about what others found salvageable about it though

 

[Discotheque]

lol some ppl are butthurt because they were expecting everybody to hate on the Raimi films after this. I actually thought it would happen too but in the end this film was mediocre and not as good as the first two, and the previous series' fans came out of the woodwork all of a sudden.

Still there's massive potential for a great franchise here going by the cast. It's just held back by the script/director.

At least the film reinvigorated my love for Spiderman. I said before Batman's my favorite comic book character but film-wise Spiderman is more entertaining to watch. I love the light-heartedness and especially the action involving him. And now I want to play Spiderman 2 the game. And maybe Shattered Dimensions if it's good.

Spiderman 2 > Batman Begins > Spiderman 1 > The Dark Knight > The Amazing Spiderman > Spiderman 3

Those are my rankings right now for both franchises (recent entries)

 

[strafer]

Why is it called butthurt? My butt never hurts when people say that to me.

 

[Sanjuro]

heh. Seriously, how the heck is the Crane scene good? I mean, putting everything else aside for a moment. Here's a guy who saved his son, granted. What investment does everyone else have in Spidey exactly? And is this magical perfect crane lineup world, with a crane conveniently on every roof? And seriously, they had enough time to get up to their cranes to even be a factor? But ok, let's say they did... they were all clever enough to formulate a coherent plan regarding how Spider-man's webs work and how he would need such a thing (this involves some real spacial awareness) to get to Lizardman? I mean, any one element might be cheesy by itself, but the entire scene - played to ultimate SERIOUSFACEness and no self-awareness whatsoever - almost seems like self-parody. It's one of the worst individual movie scenes I've seen in five years. I'd love to hear about what others found salvageable about it though

Sigh, because if you mess with one of us yo...oh wait.

Again, it's the reasoning WHY that type of scene is in there. Any type of scenario of citizens assisting Spider-Man is going to be pretty corny to any degree. As a fan of the comics, I like having a scene like that in the films. If I wasn't, probably not nearly as much.

The time allotted for them to group together is really the only absurd thing. Based off the information given by the Bugle newscast, it's pretty clear to understand why Spider-Man is trying to get from Point A to Point B, and why he is having difficulty doing so.

It's one of the worst individual movie scenes I've seen in five years.

I've seen the Statue of Liberty walk using a Nintendo controller. I have a pretty thick shell after that.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

What's not to understand? He beat up Peter because Peter mocked him by addressing him by his real name, Eugene.

Then Peter got back at him by humiliating him while they were playing basketball - fair enough. Guys in high school will try to one-up each other whereever they can.

Finally, he finds out that Pete's uncle died, and he probably felt like ass for beating on him just a few days earlier and coupled with the subsequent tension between, he probably just wanted to break the ice and tell him that he's sorry for his loss. It was a surprisingly realistic arc for the character. Male testosterone is one thing, but it doesn't mean you can't show empathy when the need arises.

I would think that this was a believable arc if they didn't have him first, not just bully Peter, but actively BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM while he's writhing on the ground. He didn't trip him in the hallway or push him, he beat someone to the ground after they called them by their real name. Flash comes across as a future sociopath here.
Flash does this, even though Peter's parents are already dead and he's an anti-social kid.
Maybe Flash didn't know about Peter's history. Whatever.
But when Peter's uncle dies, Flash is all of a sudden a good guy? This is the same kid who beat another kid to the ground for calling him a name?
It's not unreasonable, but it's definitely unearned and feels cheap.

 

[Solo]

Spiderman 2 > Batman Begins > Spiderman 1 > The Dark Knight > The Amazing Spiderman > Spiderman 3

Those are my rankings right now for both franchises (recent entries)

Removing ASM, which I will probably see Monday, I would agree with those rankings.

Also, this clip is what I love about Spidey 2 in just a few minutes. Ock's redemption, MJ seeing Peter as Spidey. People rag on Elfman's score, but he nailed this scene.

 

[Sanjuro]

Removing ASM, which I will probably see Monday, I would agree with those rankings.

Also, this clip is what I love about Spidey 2 in just a few minutes. Ock's redemption, MJ seeing Peter as Spidey. People rag on Elfman's score, but he nailed this scene.

Elfman's score is great, just lazy for SM2. I believe if I'm not mistaken he had a falling out with Raimi because of SM2.

I probably enjoy Batman Begins more though. They are really two different breeds. Raimi was just perfect for the tone of Spider-Man series.

 

[SmithnCo]

I would easily rank this over Spidey 1. Spidey 1 does not do much in the way of Ben's death, and everything with Green Goblin is wasted potential.

JJ and the wrestling scene are still great though.

 

[Jarmel]

heh. Seriously, how the heck is the Crane scene good? I mean, putting everything else aside for a moment. Here's a guy who saved his son, granted. What investment does everyone else have in Spidey exactly? And is this magical perfect crane lineup world, with a crane conveniently on every roof? And seriously, they had enough time to get up to their cranes to even be a factor? But ok, let's say they did... they were all clever enough to formulate a coherent plan regarding how Spider-man's webs work and how he would need such a thing (this involves some real spacial awareness) to get to Lizardman? I mean, any one element might be cheesy by itself, but the entire scene - played to ultimate SERIOUSFACEness and no self-awareness whatsoever - almost seems like self-parody. It's one of the worst individual movie scenes I've seen in five years. I'd love to hear about what others found salvageable about it though

Sure, I love the premise that while a person shouldn't do a good act because they expect something out of it, you never know who you'll be helping. It's the randomness of it that I liked.

 

[Sanjuro]

I would easily rank this over Spidey 1. Spidey 1 does not do much in the way of Ben's death, and everything with Green Goblin is wasted potential.

JJ and the wrestling scene are still great though.

The most notable moment in Spider-Man is the Horatio Sanz cameo. It reminds me of a time when I knew who Horatio Sanz was.

 

[anaron]

Removing ASM, which I will probably see Monday, I would agree with those rankings.

Also, this clip is what I love about Spidey 2 in just a few minutes. Ock's redemption, MJ seeing Peter as Spidey. People rag on Elfman's score, but he nailed this scene.

haha, so glad you linked this. MJ's reaction coupled with Elfman's score might be my favourite scene in the franchise.

 

[firen]

I forgot to elaborate on my review so here it is:


Elaborating on The Bad:


1. Parker suddenly morphs into a wisecracker for single awkward scene.

I didn't find that to be true at all. First of all, he was driven by the death of his uncle to find the killer. When Parker puts on the mask, like in the comics, he becomes cocky.

2. The Lizard looks like a Goomba from the Super Mario Bros. movie.

The Lizard looks very similar to what he originally looked like. The "alligator" look was introduced later.

3. More people know Spider-man’s identity than don’t.

He is an still an amatuer, he doesn't really know what he is doing so he is a bit messy. He is trying to figure out his powers and what to do with them.

4. The cranes and the crane guy. Corny as fuck and went on forever.

I agree it was slightly corny but it was a way to show the city is supportive of Spider-Man. My complaint about that scene was how quickly the city showed him love, something the Raimi Spider-Man had to earn.

5. Parker’s parents’ outcome handled very poorly.

Yeah, I agree. This might have to do with the fact that Webb changed the script at the last minute. I'm not quite sure as to how accurate the claim is but I believe originally, his parents were supposed to play a much larger role in him becoming Spider-Man.

6. A LOT of shameless Sony product placement.

Have you seen Casino Royale?

7. Flash Thompson’s character evolution doesn’t make any sense.

I don't really have much of an explanation here, as I agree.

10. Jeremy Renner is in one of the previews before the movie.

Meh.

I really hope this movie does well and Webb comes back. That being said, I hope the next one has more fight sequences and is a bit more complete. One thing I enjoyed about the Raimi Spider-Man films and the Nolan Batman films is the fact that each of the movies are individually good. I felt this movie might have left some questions unanswered hoping to answer it in the next film, which I don't mind but prefer each movie to stand on its own.

 

[Korey]

I would think that this was a believable arc if they didn't have him first, not just bully Peter, but actively BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM while he's writhing on the ground. He didn't trip him in the hallway or push him, he beat someone to the ground after they called them by their real name. Flash comes across as a future sociopath here.
Flash does this, even though Peter's parents are already dead and he's an anti-social kid.
Maybe Flash didn't know about Peter's history. Whatever.
But when Peter's uncle dies, Flash is all of a sudden a good guy? This is the same kid who beat another kid to the ground for calling him a name?
It's not unreasonable, but it's definitely unearned and feels cheap.

His character arc:

Harasses Parker in hallway with other jocks ->

Beats the crap out of Peter in a fight ->

Ruins student painting a banner ->

Gets humiliated by Peter on the court (Peter gets sent to principal's office for this) ->

Tries to console Peter over Uncle Ben's death (Peter slams him against locker) ->

Hugs Peter in hallway like they're lifelong buddies
​

I don't think "realistic" is the word I'd use for this particular character arc, especially since Peter seems to be the aggressor in the second half of the movie.

I'd use "nonsensical" instead.

 

[noah111]

Removing ASM, which I will probably see Monday, I would agree with those rankings.

Also, this clip is what I love about Spidey 2 in just a few minutes. Ock's redemption, MJ seeing Peter as Spidey. People rag on Elfman's score, but he nailed this scene.

I think Raimi is the one who really shined throughout SM2. A lot of little stuff really well done that made it stand out against SM1. It isn't leaps and bounds better than SM1, though, just unexpectedly so.

 

[Solo]

Elfman's score is great, just lazy for SM2. I believe if I'm not mistaken he had a falling out with Raimi because of SM2.

Yeah, I should have put an asterisk beside Elfman when I said that, as its not quite clear which cues in the film were Elfman, and which were Christopher Young. Raimi fell in love with the temp score he was using to rough cut the film, flat out rejected a LOT of Elfman's stuff (Elfman vowed never to work with him again, which sucks), and Christopher Young scored the rest.

Spidey 1 score = all Elfman
Spidey 2 score = temp music (Elfman extra stuff from Spidey 1, Eflman new stuff, Young stuff)
Spidey 3 score = all Young

haha, so glad you linked this. MJ's reaction coupled with Elfman's score might be favourite scene in the franchise.

It IS mine, for absolute certain. I remember seeing it the first time and the combination of visuals and the score and the weight being lifted off Peter sent a shiver up my spine.

 

[Sanjuro]

His character arc:

Harasses Parker in hallway with other jocks ->
Beats the crap out of him in a fight ->
Ruins student painting a banner ->
Gets humiliated by Peter on the court (Peter gets sent to principal's office for this) ->
Tries to console Peter (Peter slams him against locker) ->
Hugs Peter in hallway like they're buddies

I don't think "realistic" is the word I'd use for this particular character arc.

My favorite thing about Flash in this variant was incorporating his Spider-Man fandom. That was an element lacking in the waste of a character he was in the original trilogy.

Regardless, Flash was like that in the books for the most part. He was a annoying bully to Peter, Peter screws with him back, then Flash respects him to a degree while still mocking him for being a nerd.

 

[anaron]

It IS mine, for absolute certain. I remember seeing it the first time and the combination of visuals and the score and the weight being lifted off Peter sent a shiver up my spine.

EXACTLY

So, so good.

 

[Korey]

1. Parker suddenly morphs into a wisecracker for single awkward scene.

I didn't find that to be true at all. First of all, he was driven by the death of his uncle to find the killer. When Parker puts on the mask, like in the comics, he becomes cocky.

He only does this for that one short scene though. He's never cocky or witty or theatrical with his gestures, ever, after that, even with the mask on. Completely out of place with the rest of the movie, before or after.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

My favorite thing about Flash in this variant was incorporating his Spider-Man fandom. That was an element lacking in the waste of a character he was in the original trilogy.

Regardless, Flash was like that in the books for the most part. He was a annoying bully to Peter, Peter screws with him back, then Flash respects him to a degree while still mocking him for being a nerd.

And now Flash is a crippled war vet who is now the host for the Venom symbiotie.
Man, time flies.

 

[Sanjuro]

And now Flash is a crippled war vet who is now the host for the Venom symbiotie.
Man, time flies.

I need to catch back up. Last I remember, Doctor Octavius had it before he died.

EDIT: I believe anyway. Too damn confusing!

 

[Replicant]

Flash Thompson in the comic was meant to be the antithesis of Harry Osbourne in that he's the type of person that Peter didn't get along with when he was younger but gradually turned into friends due to them realizing that they have a lot more in common than they think and because Flash is maturing into a better person. Whereas Harry was meant to be the good friend that you lost as you grow up because he turns out to be shady and not as good as you thought he was.

Ideally, the two should be featured in the film side-by-side with each character's development and downfall to be spread out over the course of three films. Thus when Flash turning into Peter's friend and Harry turns into Peter's enemy, the whole thing makes a lot more sense.

 

[Man]

Stan Lee cameo was amazing.

 

[SmithnCo]

And now Flash is a crippled war vet who is now the host for the Venom symbiotie.
Man, time flies.

And Gwen had Osborn's babies while in France, then they aged rapidly and attacked Spider-Man and stuff.

Fun times.

 

[kunonabi]

I got the feeling Flash had lost someone and knew what Peter was going though. You don't have to be friends to understand that sort of pain and try to help.

 

[royalan]

Just came back from seeing the movie...

God, I don't think a movie has ever managed to bore me to tears SO quickly. Five minutes in and I was checking my phone.

That, and Andrew Garfield was a god-awful Peter Parker. I just never got the impression that he had a handle on how he was going to play him. One minute he's a super-dweeb and speaking in whispers (which was really annoying from an a viewer's perspective). Next scene he's charming and sexy. Next scene he's a badass dripping in Dane Cook-esque humor. It was like watching 5 different actors play the same character at once.

It really made me appreciate Toby Maquire's Peter Parker. He walked that line of the adorkable, emo badass cohesively. He rarely broke my belief in his character.