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Another thing that stuck out to me:

Do NYPD not have helicopters?
Well that's rhetorical because I know they do, they use it a few times in the movie and Captain Stacy rides one towards the end.

Where were they during the last fight? Why wasn't there one spotting and assisting Spidey/Cpt Stacy, and able to lift him to the hospital asap? It's like everyone helped Spidey with the crane thing (including the helicopter), patted themselves on the back, and called it a day.
No no, the WRITERS patted themselves on the back and called it a day.
 
Note, there is a specific, reasoned stance in there... you have to actually read and not kneejerk to see it. You may still disagree with it, I just hope your position was stronger than the last few guys whose arguments amounted to:

1. How DARE you react differently than I do to scenes, you're a douche!
Haha, cakefoo the movie nazi is going to tell you off for not reacting as he would emotionally!
You must have me confused with someone else... I didn't ask you to be sad. What I did do was strongly urge you to respect the story and viewers around you with bare minimum effort so as not to offend hundreds of people who just want to enjoy a movie without distractions. The real shit is that gaffers can actually turn real life tragedy into a joke on a regular basis. That's pathetic, and you just remind me of that enough for it to piss me off a bit.
 
Watched it last night with the wife. We're pretty big Spidey fans so we were going into this hoping we would get the same feeling we did when we watched the originals years ago.

We didn't. I can't quite put my finger on why either. Maybe it's something to do with the fact that although this is a reboot, we've already seen 3 previous Spiderman movies before. If this was the first Spiderman, maybe I would have been blown away. Hmm.

Also, the movie is an enjoyable mess. On the way home, we were both just coming up with all sorts of 'how did they know this, or where did he go and why didn't they do this'? It felt like the editing was off and it didn't help when you had a number of scenes that had the barely-on-camera actor not speaking, and then you noticing him talk, but the words are different (or none at all). I thought that shit was cut out of movies 20 years ago.

I enjoyed the whole build up to him becoming Spiderman, figuring out that he can flip, jump and climb. The Spidey sense sound was a cool touch too. Only sometimes, it didn't play. Spiderman's animations was fantastic though, much better than the original. I liked his suit, even if it wasn't consistant at all (sometimes it would be an all in 1 style, and sometimes it would have a separate headpiece for the scenes it comes off).

Oh and I think the music in the original is much better. Nothing stuck out at all from the new movie and didn't come close to THAT theme played in the first.

Stan Lee's cameo was awesome! Got a lot of loud laughs and a little applause too. Speaking of which, the movie got a lot of applause at the end. Being in the UK, I've never seen a movie that ends in people clapping when it's finished.
 
@Slavik81
Ben was trying to get Peter to understand that revenge is a fool's game in the end. You don't feel better after "getting back" at someone, that's not the way a good person acts.

That was the intention, but I felt it was a bit lost because Ben had a seriously broken understanding of what occurred. Peter only stepped in when Flash was in the process of bullying yet another kid. The only other option was cowing to the bully; to let his intimidation of others go unchallenged. Peter fought the bully in a proxy-battle for the respect of his peers and won, saving that kid and others from further torment.

Parker's motivations were clearly impure, but his actions were laudable. For me, it seemed to detract from the message when Ben was only half-right about that situation (even if his advice was accurate for the character as a whole).
 
Also, the movie is an enjoyable mess. On the way home, we were both just coming up with all sorts of 'how did they know this, or where did he go and why didn't they do this'? It felt like the editing was off and it didn't help when you had a number of scenes that had the barely-on-camera actor not speaking, and then you noticing him talk, but the words are different (or none at all). I thought that shit was cut out of movies 20 years ago.

You probably have it right there. The editing and pacing was terrible. And we know for a fact that a TON of stuff was cut just from the trailers vs the movie.

I guess the director had too much money to play with and ended up with far too much material for an origin movie.
 
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-amazing-spiderman-missing-film-credits/#more-130868

good article about what happened to the supposed "untold story" and whatnot. Really does sound like they cut some stuff out at the last minute in favor of having more stuff for the sequel or something. Shitty.
Cause if there's one mystery that needs solving it's Peter's parents. Whenever people talk about a Spider-Man film, comic, or videogame, they always talk about how much they want to see the backstory of his parents...........
I swear if I have to sit through flashbacks to a horrible kid actor, and Peter snooping around labs and other places a teenager shouldn't be, just to have them reveal a plot point we ALREADY KNEW ABOUT before the 1st movie.... instead of spending that time having Spider-Man do.. anything we actually want to see Spider-Man do.

Like I said in my 'review', I think this is a flawed film, but I believe if they play their cards right and learn from some of the feedback, they could put out a pretty decent sequel.
 
Another thing that stuck out to me:

Do NYPD not have helicopters?
Well that's rhetorical because I know they do, they use it a few times in the movie and Captain Stacy rides one towards the end.

Where were they during the last fight? Why wasn't there one spotting and assisting Spidey/Cpt Stacy, and able to lift him to the hospital asap? It's like everyone helped Spidey with the crane thing (including the helicopter), patted themselves on the back, and called it a day.

Maybe because there was a mass evacuation of the city, and the Police needed it's helicopters somewhere else? You should have just asked why the helicopter didn't give them all a lift up to the rooftop.

Why
did Peter Parker get into a fight with a couple thugs in an alley, then have a half a dozen guys come out various doors spread throughout several different buildings to come after him? Why did nobody question Peter Parker bending a football post with a ball he tossed one-handed? Why were they storing liquid nitrogen on the roof? Why did Peter think he could do anything useful in a fight against The Lizard when he could barely swing across town?

Also, are we supposed to believe Ben and think that
Parker humiliating Flash was wrong? Within the confines of school rules, that's the only thing Parker could do to fight back against a bully that should have been expelled for serious violence.

1. Guy could have been in a gang? Maybe a gang leader? I think they were alluding that they were chasing him through several buildings, as improbable as that may be.
2. Peter Parker being a superhuman at school is somewhat of a plothole. The best I can is that no one saw him do it? When the camera flashed back he was making a hilarious face, so maybe they thought he didn't know what happened. Or hey, maybe the school has a "don't give crap to the guy who can kill everyone in the school due to reflexes" policy.
3. Science.
4. Because he had to? What was he going to do? Call it quits and let everyone be turned into goombas?
5. Showing everyone he can do the Chaos dunk may not have been the best way to react to that. Especially considering that the girl is clearly to blame, as why the hell would you paint a banner on the court during a basketball game? Not to mention she accused him of basically smacking the ball at her paint.

Actually, come to think of it, Flash Thompson didn't even come across as that much of a dick. Sure he was making a kid eat food upside down, but he didn't even look like he was uncomfortable with it. Peter nearly killed him when he was comforting him about his uncle.
 
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-amazing-spiderman-missing-film-credits/#more-130868

good article about what happened to the supposed "untold story" and whatnot. Really does sound like they cut some stuff out at the last minute in favor of having more stuff for the sequel or something. Shitty.

The weird part is that they have been teasing and hinting that "untold story" even in the trailers and spots that were released in the past month.

Sounds like shitty planning and communication between PR and the production team. I just hope it doesn't get in the way of the story.
 
Okay, so I was talking to a friend and he brought up an excellent point.

Instead of telling Pete to stay away from his daughter, Captain Stacy should have told Pete to take care of her. Pete then feels the burden of that crushing responsibility and in his confusion and guilt, he's just unable to get himself to attend the funeral or see Gwen for the next few days. Then the movie ends with him manning the fuck up, and getting back with Gwen. This would complete his arc perfectly in that he learns to follow through with his promises and take on his responsibilities. It also fixes the problem of the movie ending as the polar opposite of the first Spider-Man movie, but with the same lesson being learnt.

Boom. That ending would have blown my mind.
 
Okay, so I was talking to a friend and he brought up an excellent point.

Instead of telling Pete to stay away from his daughter, Captain Stacy should have told Pete to take care of her. Pete then feels the burden of that crushing responsibility and in his confusion and guilt, he's just unable to get himself to attend the funeral or see Gwen for the next few days. Then the movie ends with him manning the fuck up, and getting back with Gwen. This would complete his arc perfectly in that he learns to follow through with his promises and take on his responsibilities. It also fixes the problem of the movie ending as the polar opposite of the first Spider-Man movie, but with the same lesson being learnt.

Boom. That ending would have blown my mind.

Yea, it's kind of weird that the movie ends with Peter Parker denying the last dying wishes of a dead father with a witty quip.
 
Cause if there's one mystery that needs solving it's Peter's parents. Whenever people talk about a Spider-Man film, comic, or videogame, they always talk about how much they want to see the backstory of his parents...........

they went many places with that in the comics, and it was interesting

you're talking as if a boring, same old take on the character this soon would be something to rave about. If anything they should have gone further with a different take. One of the main issues this movie had was that it was too similar to the Raimis.
 
You probably have it right there. The editing and pacing was terrible. And we know for a fact that a TON of stuff was cut just from the trailers vs the movie.

I guess the director had too much money to play with and ended up with far too much material for an origin movie.

I'm OK with that and I've accepted it. Although you could ask a tonne of questions of this, that and the other, you could do the same thing for most movies though.

I do hope that some of the holes are noticed and plugged in the sequel, for which I now have high hopes for.

Do a lot of people like Garfield as Parker then? I just felt like there was something about him that was off. Again, it's probably the fact that we're used to Maguire (whom I liked and still do). I wanted him to be a bit more goofy looking (and I really wanted a 'Raindrops keep falling on my head' style montage too :( ). Maybe it was his 'just got out of bed' style of hair. Not sure.
 
they went many places with that in the comics, and it was interesting

you're talking as if a boring, same old take on the character this soon would be something to rave about. If anything they should have gone further with a different take. One of the main issues this movie had was that it was too similar to the Raimis.
They could make it interesting, but I doubt they would.
And if we already know the 'mystery' then why waste our time trying to unravel it?
It would much easier to just develop an interesting villain rather than dwell on something that will basically have to just pay off in flashbacks and people... telling Peter stuff that already happened.
 
that will basically have to just pay off in flashbacks and people... telling Peter stuff that already happened.

you really should read up on the directions they went with in the comics before saying that :p

it's actually a story that moves forward, not back.


I really think they cut too much of what was planned out, and that was obviously Sony's decision in order to "build up" on a sequel, sigh.

It's funny cause along the way they managed to cut anything that could get anyone hyped about a sequel. The after the credits scene was barely a "tease", dont know if you could even call it that. It didnt hook anyone.
 
you really should read up on the directions they went with in the comics before saying that :p

it's actually a story that moves forward, not back.


I really think they cut too much of what was planned out, and that was obviously Sony's decision in order to "build up" on a sequel, sigh.

It's funny cause along the way they managed to cut anything that could get anyone hyped about a sequel. The after the credits scene was barely a "tease", dont know if you could even call it that. It didnt hook anyone.
Let's be real, they don't have the balls to do any of the stuff involving his parents from the comics. There's no way they would go with a plot so out-there and risky when this movie is doing 'okay' critically and not breaking any box office records (and will come to screeching halt when TDKR comes out).

What we're going to get is most likely what we already knew before this movie even came out.

I'd be surprised if they surprise me.
 
some people said that by the end of the movie, spider-man didn't look like he really learn what it mean to be a hero, especially because there's no 'with great power comes..' line.

well, it just occurred to me, they'll probably let Gwen's death to be the one that trigger Peter's transformation to be a true superhero.
 
They'll probably visit more "out there" storylines for the reboot in 2022.

They CAN'T do another Spider-man origin story with all of the same beats. I hate Uncle Ben by now.
 
Watched it yersterday. Totally loved it.

Definitely better than all the previous film. Andrew garfield definitely make a bettter spidey than tobey. Though can't help to think that they cut or edit some stuff in the movie...(can anyone confirm this?)

Anyway loving the cast, the chemistry between them just perfect. Definitely can't wait for the next movie. This is one of the rare case for superheroes movies (like batman begins)where I really want to see what they have for us next.
 
I still think Sony should have done a comic book story board for the origin story up to the spider bite, but I think the transition would have been difficult to handle.
 
Movie finally opened in Mexico tonight. I thought it was a decent movie: 6-7/10, but i gotta admit that I went there with no expectations.

The script is horrible, as is most of the acting from support characters, and it suffers from pacing issues. I thought Emma Stone was the hightlight of the movie, shes funny and charming. Garfield was good, i think he is a major upgrade over Mcguire. The Lizard was horribly designed, and Dr. Connors character wasn't developed. The actions scenes, especially during the school, are the best in the series. Finally watching spidey swing his web throughout NY didn't look fake with cheap CGI, but i guess that comes with the new tech available. I agree with Amirox in that the Crane scene is one of the worst scenes in a movie in the last five years. I laughed out loud so hard, but my friend sitting next to me liked it. The humor in this movie felt real, and at times this movie shows heart, but then one is thrown cliche after cliche and one wants it to end.

When we heard the franchise was gonna be rebooted, we all knew that they were gonna use the first film again to explain how parker got his powers, as well as uncle ben's death. And also how he copes with that burden, and how he starts using his power. Unfortunately that was the most boring part, and took almost 1/2 of the movie. Then the Lizard is created, and he wants to tear shit up real fast, and spidey saves the day. What a waste of script in my opinion. They could have done much more. The credits scene is bullshit, and it's a shame how the want to raise hype for a sequel. Again the highlights are the Stan Lee Cameo (best in a marvel movie), and Emma Stone.
 
Thread is frustrating. Its a great, fun summer movie. Raimi has been bested by this in a 1v1 comparison for me which is impressive considering ive already seen half this movie before. The emotional scenes went over well for me. Teenagers can behave that way especially passive aggressive guys. Special effects were goid, fight scenes were 100 times better than raimis, set design was better. Imo just a better film across the board. Well worth the money and time. Will buy on bluray for sure.
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I don't have time to give a full rundown of everything that went wrong or right with the movie, but I gotta say, I have not seen a film in a long time where the director wasn't so clearly in over his head for a lot of it. There were a LOT of decisions that should have been made differently, most importantly to move the plot. The movie felt 4 hours long and I was actually enjoying it from scene to scene! Seriously though, don't bring Webb back. Raimi films were cheeseball, but that's kind of what a Spiderman film needs, a headstrong director with a unified vision of what the movie should be. This thing was all over the place and I'd say it only achieved what it wanted to be maybe half the time. There were some great parts and there were some pure bad parts. I was pretty baffled at how all over this thing was.
 
Nah, most people don't. Like, at all. Even when it's obvious, that's not what they're training the sense on. It can still (subconsciously) alter your perception of entire scene, of course.

The fuck is this garbage? A film's score is *always* something I notice, good, bad or mediocre.
 
The score and the pacing were some of the worst I've seen from like, any movie in a while. Not even just blockbusters, any movie. Somebody needs to sit Marc Webb down and let him know just because he shot everything and likes music that that doesn't mean EVERYTHING should stay in the movie.

I will be truly surprised if the DVD has deleted scenes because seriously.
 
Updated Box office numbers

Tuesday - 35.85
Wednesday - 23.4
Thursday est. from rth at bo.com and deadline hollywood - 16.3

Total in 3 days - approx 75.55

Weekend looks to be around 125-140 million 6 day

As of today the final bo tally looks like it will fall between 250 and 300 range
 
now we also have to be victims of horrific murder tragedies in order to judge moments of acting. Do we also need to be script writers to judge the often terrible writing? Do we also need to paint to judge art? Do we need to be video game developers to judge games?

Your dumb point is dumb.

But, since some of us put time into our positions, here is the reason why it failed even if Andrew Garfield's crying face wasn't the most hilarious thing ever:

The premise here is: Emotional moments must be earned. Manipulative tripe does not a sad scene make:



Note, there is a specific, reasoned stance in there... you have to actually read and not kneejerk to see it. You may still disagree with it, I just hope your position was stronger than the last few guys whose arguments amounted to:

1. How DARE you react differently than I do to scenes, you're a douche!
2. LOL DO U NOT LIEK FUN? STOP PICKIN' NITS
3. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, because I said you couldn't be more wrong if you tried! Take my word for it!

So, establishing a position, explaining why, and then trying to put that in context to what people like me and Tookay are actually saying is vital going forward.

For what its worth my gf lost her father very young and she cried atleast twice during this movie. Weve been dating a year and shes never cried before.
 
After sleeping on the movie, I really don't see how so many people like this better then Spiderman 1. There are so many problems as a fllm that I think a lot of people are looking over and instead seeing the better spiderman portrayal along with the awesome Spidey action scenes and making their conclusion from that. This is a film that a lot of of people will come back to later on and get an eye opening experience to some of the major flaws. The editing, the crane scene, Lizard's protrayal, Flash, suspension of disbelieves, the scripts pacing, the majority of the score; there is a lot of bad here.
 
After sleeping on the movie, I really don't see how so many people like this better then Spiderman 1. There are so many problems as a fllm that I think a lot of people are looking over and instead seeing the better spiderman portrayal along with the awesome Spidey action scenes and making their conclusion from that. This is a film that a lot of of people will come back to later on and get an eye opening experience to some of the major flaws. The editing, the crane scene, Lizard's protrayal, Flash, suspension of disbelieves, the scripts pacing, the majority of the score; there is a lot of bad here.

Spidey 1 has its fair share of issues too. Its still a great movie and a fun watch but there are certain aspects of it that I dont like at all...it didnt really age too well, imo.

Overall, I found ASM much more enjoyable to watch because of better actors and a better portrayal of Peter and Spidey. Im not ignoring its issues but I just had a better time watching it.
Spidey 2 still wins out for me, though. If anything, Im more excited for ASM2 now that the origin is out of the way. Hopefully they can move on and do great things with it.
 
After sleeping on the movie, I really don't see how so many people like this better then Spiderman 1. There are so many problems as a fllm that I think a lot of people are looking over and instead seeing the better spiderman portrayal along with the awesome Spidey action scenes and making their conclusion from that. This is a film that a lot of of people will come back to later on and get an eye opening experience to some of the major flaws. The editing, the crane scene, Lizard's protrayal, Flash, suspension of disbelieves, the scripts pacing, the majority of the score; there is a lot of bad here.

Rewatch the raimi spiderman. The crane scene was super cheesy but this IS a superhero movie. I didnt mind the pacing but it did feel the same as prometheous in places (like things were missing).
 
I didn't really get the web shooters. In the 5 second scene where they developed that, it made it seem like he just ordered them from OsCorp. So this technology is just widely available to anybody? So cheap that a poor high school student can afford it? And it just conveniently comes in little containers that can fit in a thing around his wrist?

Also, something from near the end that didn't make sense:
The Lizard sets the bomb to go off in 2 minutes. Captain Stacy is at the bottom of the building. He gets to the top of the building well before it goes off. How the hell did he climb up the whole building in less than 2 minutes?
 
Rewatch the raimi spiderman. The crane scene was super cheesy but this IS a superhero movie. I didnt mind the pacing but it did feel the same as prometheous in places (like things were missing).
The only point in this entire movie, and I mean, the entire movie, that anybody could say something felt missing was the hilarious out of context
thing near the end where Lizard emerges (out of nowhere?) and gets shot the fuck up by a squad of SWAT dudes (OUT OF NOWHERE)
. The randomness of that scene baffled the fuck out of me, because up to and after that, the movie never felt like it cut a fucking thing. It was exhausting how little it cut.
 
Spidey 1 has its fair share of issues too. Its still a great movie and a fun watch but there are certain aspects of it that I dont like at all...it didnt really age too well, imo.

Overall, I found ASM much more enjoyable to watch because of better actors and a better portrayal of Peter and Spidey. Im not ignoring its issues but I just had a better time watching it.
Spidey 2 still wins out for me, though. If anything, Im more excited for ASM2 now that the origin is out of the way. Hopefully they can move on and do great things with it.

You basically hit on my point though. Yes Spideman is better in ASM, along with Peter Parker. But, as a movie, ASM is extremely flawed (unless you ignore some of the major issues), and more flawed then SM1 was/is.

Rewatch the raimi spiderman. The crane scene was super cheesy but this IS a superhero movie. I didnt mind the pacing but it did feel the same as prometheous in places (like things were missing).

I rewatched SM1 a week before seeing ASM. It holds up well enough to be better then this. Like I said earlier, the crane scene makes the New York, garbage throwing pedestrians in SM1 look like a Oscar-worthy scene. The Crane scene seemed almost ripped out of SM3 it was so cringe-worthy.

Nothing in ASM has the impact of the Green Goblin fight in the moss-filled building, Green Goblin's answering machine message, or even Spidey killing Uncle Ben's killer in the warehouse. While having
similar endings, SM1's rejeaction of Mary Jane and 'Who am I' line have much more emotional thump then ASM's version of each, which isn't helped by Parker retconing his rejection and going against Captain Stacy's dying wish
. Couple that with poor pacing, editing problems, lackluster score, and other minor problems; and you have a great Spidey portrayal in the middle of a bad film.

I was really surprised at how well Emma and Andrew interacted and created a relationship between their characters considering how lackluster some of the writing and situations each were put in together were. IMO it really shows how great their chemistry is together, and bodes really well for an amazing Green Goblin ASM if they get a proper script and proper score.
 
The only point in this entire movie, and I mean, the entire movie, that anybody could say something felt missing was the hilarious out of context
thing near the end where Lizard emerges (out of nowhere?) and gets shot the fuck up by a squad of SWAT dudes (OUT OF NOWHERE)
. The randomness of that scene baffled the fuck out of me, because up to and after that, the movie never felt like it cut a fucking thing. It was exhausting how little it cut.

The funny thing is, apparently a lot was cut:
http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/05/was-the-untold-story-cut-from-the-amazing-spider-man/
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-amazing-spiderman-missing-film-credits/#more-130868

This movie was EVEN LONGER at one point.

Though I agree, that scene was hilariously out of place.

Okay, so I was talking to a friend and he brought up an excellent point.

Instead of telling Pete to stay away from his daughter, Captain Stacy should have told Pete to take care of her. Pete then feels the burden of that crushing responsibility and in his confusion and guilt, he's just unable to get himself to attend the funeral or see Gwen for the next few days. Then the movie ends with him manning the fuck up, and getting back with Gwen. This would complete his arc perfectly in that he learns to follow through with his promises and take on his responsibilities. It also fixes the problem of the movie ending as the polar opposite of the first Spider-Man movie, but with the same lesson being learnt.

Boom. That ending would have blown my mind.

Much better ending than the one they constructed.
 
The only point in this entire movie, and I mean, the entire movie, that anybody could say something felt missing was the hilarious out of context
thing near the end where Lizard emerges (out of nowhere?) and gets shot the fuck up by a squad of SWAT dudes (OUT OF NOWHERE)
. The randomness of that scene baffled the fuck out of me, because up to and after that, the movie never felt like it cut a fucking thing. It was exhausting how little it cut.

That scene is great and had me laughing.
Always in these superhero movies, it's like the "bad guy" can be taken care of with a bullet. I remember talking about this with a friend back in 2004, and how Doc Ock is an exposed out of shape old guy. How hard could it be to take care him out? It makes sense as a campy comic movie and it's something you tend to accept. So seeing SWAT lay into the Lizard like that was hilarious to see.
 
I didn't really get the web shooters. In the 5 second scene where they developed that, it made it seem like he just ordered them from OsCorp. So this technology is just widely available to anybody? So cheap that a poor high school student can afford it? And it just conveniently comes in little containers that can fit in a thing around his wrist?

Also, something from near the end that didn't make sense:
The Lizard sets the bomb to go off in 2 minutes. Captain Stacy is at the bottom of the building. He gets to the top of the building well before it goes off. How the hell did he climb up the whole building in less than 2 minutes?
I think he reverse engineered the webbing using marketing information that OsCorp made available on their website.
He also had a sample of the silk to work with, which was probably the basis of that webbing.

Well, it's OsCorp. Maybe they have high speed elevators.
 
The funny thing is, apparently a lot was cut:
http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/05/was-the-untold-story-cut-from-the-amazing-spider-man/
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-amazing-spiderman-missing-film-credits/#more-130868

This movie was EVEN LONGER at one point.

Though I agree, that scene was hilariously out of place.



Much better ending than the one they constructed.
Wow, the movie had to be closing in on 2:50 with all those cuts. Just wow. I'm amazed the clear studio cutting didn't feel like that on film, but it all makes sense. Webb is even worse at his job than I thought.
 
The only point in this entire movie, and I mean, the entire movie, that anybody could say something felt missing was the hilarious out of context
thing near the end where Lizard emerges (out of nowhere?) and gets shot the fuck up by a squad of SWAT dudes (OUT OF NOWHERE)
. The randomness of that scene baffled the fuck out of me, because up to and after that, the movie never felt like it cut a fucking thing. It was exhausting how little it cut.

I admit it was a very bizarre scene. Equally bizarre was the
cut away from Peter and MJ's moonlight swing around the city, which seemed like it was going to be a big 'Can you read my mind' moment and then very abruptly ended for whatever reason.
 
Studio meddling might have actually saved this movie as opposed to fucking up sm3. I cant imagine how turgid it could have gotten if literally every plot had wrapped up in the film.
 
Nothing in ASM has the impact of the Green Goblin fight in the moss-filled building, Green Goblin's answering machine message, or even Spidey killing Uncle Ben's killer in the warehouse. While having
similar endings, SM1's rejeaction of Mary Jane and 'Who am I' line have much more emotional thump then ASM's version of each, which isn't helped by Parker retconing his rejection and going against Captain Stacy's dying wish
. Couple that with poor pacing, editing problems, lackluster score, and other minor problems; and you have a great Spidey portrayal in the middle of a bad film.

I was really surprised at how well Emma and Andrew interacted and created a relationship between their characters considering how lackluster some of the writing and situations each were put in together were. IMO it really shows how great their chemistry is together, and bodes really well for an amazing Green Goblin ASM if they get a proper script and proper score.

Yeah, the original had a much more personal feel to it. ASM was still personal for Peter but you didnt really get that.

In Spidey 1, its Norman Osborn, father of Peters best friend, kidnapper of the woman Peter loves, interrupter of Aunt Mays prayers (laughable scene but it freaked Peter the fuck out). By the end, you really felt it and it was handled real well. I do wish we got more Norman though and saw more interaction between him and Harry but thats a minor complaint.
 
Lizard kind of just came together as an after thought for Pete in this. He was dealing with SO MUCH other unrelated shit.
 
Studio meddling might have actually saved this movie as opposed to fucking up sm3. I cant imagine how turgid it could have gotten if literally every plot had wrapped up in the film.

Honestly didn't find it to be turgid. I wouldn't have minded it it was even longer and tied up some loose ends. I was enjoying myself *shrug*
 
I still don't get the point of the scene where the Lizard attacked the school to get Peter. Can somebody explain what he was trying to accomplish?
 
I still don't get the point of the scene where the Lizard attacked the school to get Peter. Can somebody explain what he was trying to accomplish?

Pretty sure that was right after he discovered his camera in the sewer system and he was going after him to kill him probably.
 
Honestly didn't find it to be turgid. I wouldn't have minded it it was even longer and tied up some loose ends. I was enjoying myself *shrug*
I really don't want to come off as thinking it was terrible for the most part or anything. Really, I enjoyed A LOT of things in the film, but they were all pieces. The whole was kind of a mess and nothing built momentum. I am a dude who normally calls bullshit on people who have pacing problems with a variety of films AND I was rooting for this thing the whole time, and I was still blown away by how long it felt.
 
I really don't want to come off as thinking it was terrible for the most part or anything. Really, I enjoyed A LOT of things in the film, but they were all pieces. The whole was kind of a mess and nothing built momentum. I am a dude who normally calls bullshit on people who have pacing problems with a variety of films AND I was rooting for this thing the whole time, and I was still blown away by how long it felt.

I still wonder how long it would've felt without all the changes. It really is haphazardly edited to fit (presumably) Sony's vision instead Webb's or how it was shot.

When you think about how
trailers show the dinner scene differently, with Gwen saying "Peter lives with his aunt and uncle" after uncle Ben's death it makes me wonder what the hell was originally happening there. Or Peter's parents are missing...or died in a plane crash? well which is it?

Or maybe they did just shoot too many great scenes and had an "oh shit, we have to make a movie?" moment.
 
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