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I still wonder how long it would've felt without all the changes. It really is haphazardly edited to fit (presumably) Sony's vision instead Webb's or how it was shot.

When you think about how
trailers show the dinner scene differently, with Gwen saying "Peter lives with his aunt and uncle" after uncle Ben's death it makes me wonder what the hell was originally happening there. Or Peter's parents are missing...or died in a plane crash? well which is it?

Or maybe they did just shoot too many great scenes and had an "oh shit, we have to make a movie?" moment.
That scene felt like it happened earlier in the movie too, because it's another thing that just *happened*. Like all of sudden you're inviting me to dinner?
 
I still wonder how long it would've felt without all the changes. It really is haphazardly edited to fit (presumably) Sony's vision instead Webb's or how it was shot.

When you think about how
trailers show the dinner scene differently, with Gwen saying "Peter lives with his aunt and uncle" after uncle Ben's death it makes me wonder what the hell was originally happening there. Or Peter's parents are missing...or died in a plane crash? well which is it?

Or maybe they did just shoot too many great scenes and had an "oh shit, we have to make a movie?" moment.
This movie really is just a completely mangled abomination, I pray Webb doesn't come back.
 
This movie really is just a completely mangled abomination, I hope Webb doesn't come back.
Haven't seen a film that could be 100% blamed on the director like this in a long time. For a music video director, he did a fab job of doing a lot of great sequences, but a complete film with editing scars all over it left him so far out of his depth it was embarrassing.
 
Am I crazy or did they really show the stinger/teaser scene from the end of this movie in the trailer???

Wouldn't surprise me. They showed a good chunk of this movie across all the various trailers and ads.

Haven't seen a film that could be 100% blamed on the director like this in a long time. For a music video director, he did a fab job of doing a lot of great sequences, but a complete film with editing scars all over it left him so far out of his depth it was embarrassing.

Yeah, individual scenes worked, but the movie didn't flow well at all. It was very stitched together.
 
Haven't seen a film that could be 100% blamed on the director like this in a long time. For a music video director, he did a fab job of doing a lot of great sequences, but a complete film with editing scars all over it left him so far out of his depth it was embarrassing.

Actually it sounds like Sony panicked after some late screenings and pulled the backstory about his parents, which is what created a lot of dangling loose ends.
 
The film finance guys from my bank said that they have passed on their recommendations to Sony about a sequel.

The said to keep Webb, drop Orci/Kurtzman, get a new composer in, don't have Green Goblin as the next enemy because any GG story that doesn't end with Gwen dying will be a cop out, and they can't kill Gwen because she comes out as the most popular character with girls and men in the key 16-30 category.

We have a good relationship with Sony so I hope they listen to our guys because I really think ASM2 can be the greatest comic book movie of all time if they get the story right. Webb has got character development and relationships down to a tee, and action scenes were rated very highly so the second unit has done a good job too. One of our guys is going to Piccadilly Circus next week to watch an early cut with the more out there origin stuff left in so he will probably try and press them about it then and get across that Orci/Kurtzman are the worst thing that can happen to this franchise.
 
The film finance guys from my bank said that they have passed on their recommendations to Sony about a sequel.

The said to keep Webb, drop Orci/Kurtzman, get a new composer in, don't have Green Goblin as the next enemy because any GG story that doesn't end with Gwen dying will be a cop out, and they can't kill Gwen because she comes out as the most popular character with girls and men in the key 16-30 category.

We have a good relationship with Sony so I hope they listen to our guys because I really think ASM2 can be the greatest comic book movie of all time if they get the story right. Webb has got character development and relationships down to a tee, and action scenes were rated very highly so the second unit has done a good job too. One of our guys is going to Piccadilly Circus next week to watch an early cut with the more out there origin stuff left in so he will probably try and press them about it then and get across that Orci/Kurtzman are the worst thing that can happen to this franchise.

I dunno man, I agree with all of that except not having GG as the next enemy. It just seems like the natural next step what with the splicing mutations and Gwen Stacy scenario set up. And at some point they'll probably feel inclined to reintroduce Harry and Mary-Jane, which I feel has to be in the sequel. Then the sequel can have that huge moment when Peter kills Gwen, and then has to learn about moving on and that his responsibility extends farther than simply his own human needs similar to Peter in Spider-Man 2.
"Am I not allowed to have what I want?"
Or something like that.
 
Hans Zimmer would be my personal recommendation, but if Sony could get Elfman back now that Raimi is out it would also be good.

Elfman didn't do a very good job on the other scores IMO. Chris Young's score for SM3 topped the Elfman scores with ease. I know he isn't that big of a name, but he should be, because he completely outdid Elfman. The best music in SM2 was actually composed by Young.

Zimmer... yeah I like him too but I'm not in the "Zimmer should score EVERY FILM EVER MADE" camp. Michael Giacchino is ten times the composer that Zimmer is. Zimmer does really good stuff, especially dark and brooding, but Giacchino brings great themes and a lot of color to his stuff. He'd be a much better fit for Spider-man.

I mean, you have Zimmer doing Batman and Superman already. He's not the only composer working today and not even the best IMO.

note: I think Elfman is a great composer, but his work on the other SM movies isn't enough to make me want him to come back and especially not good enough to make me want him over Horner.
 
I loved the Peter Parker/Gwen Stacy stuff and most of the action, but the rest of it felt like they edited it together the week before it was released. Like they were trying to create a whole different story than the one they shot with the footage they had. I wish they would release Marc Webb's cut to compare it.

And that crane sequence....l m a o.
 
I thought the film was "ok" it just seemed to drag on at times, and I wasn't really drawn into the storyline like I would have like to. Emma Stone really is a great actress in what she does I always connect with her characters as likeable.

Why can't we have Hobgoblin in the sequel or Kraven or even something stupid like Shocker...then we can go back and retread Rami's villians.

Why would Gwen have to die in the sequel can we not keep her on and kill her off in the third...we already had a death in the first one.
 
Really don't think you can have GG in the next film. Make the third a Sinister Six led by Goblin, set up strands in 2 (although I would never trust Webb to handle that well) and have someone original to the films in 2. Problem is , I'm not sure who else is left that wouldn't feel 2nd tier, especially given how 2nd tier Lizard feels in this. Kraven? Mysterio? Shocker? How you gonna make a plot for them that can last a film in a worth while way?
 
I'm starting to think Sony went into panic mode when this film was getting ready for release, hence all the cut out footage, but also the hiring of Orci and Kurtzman to rewrite the initial script of TASM 2. Sony needs to have more faith, although I can understand their timid nature considering that a reboot is risky. Peter's parents are more than likely referenced more in the sequel and seeing as how most of that was cut from the final film, Sony seems to just be working against itself at this point with the rewrites. Although, apparently the tie in game references the whole cross species idea more and even goes as far to say
Peter is a cross species according to Connors, which wasn't exactly an idea presented in TASM. It's just sort of assumed.

I guess we'll know in 2014 when the sequel gets here. I'll be pretty pissed if they just drop the parent story line all together. I think it could make this series a bit more unique.
 
Introduce Norman Osborne in the second movie as the sick old man they implied he was in this one, but have someone else as the villain.

Green Goblin for the third movie. Gwen dies at the end of the second act.

Stay away from Harry and MJ to distance this series from the Raimi movies. Also stay away from the Daily Bugle and JJJ.
 
Besides a few weird cuts and fast pacing on a few plot elements I fucking loved this movie.

THIS was exactly how I picture Spiderman.

Toby can eat a face full of web.
 
I dunno man, I agree with all of that except not having GG as the next enemy. It just seems like the natural next step what with the splicing mutations and Gwen Stacy scenario set up. And at some point they'll probably feel inclined to reintroduce Harry and Mary-Jane, which I feel has to be in the sequel. Then the sequel can have that huge moment when Peter kills Gwen, and then has to learn about moving on and that his responsibility extends farther than simply his own human needs similar to Peter in Spider-Man 2.
"Am I not allowed to have what I want?"
Or something like that.

That's fine but our guys say that they can't kill Gwen Stacy, she is waaaaaay too popular with teens and men. If they can't kill off Gwen then how are they going to do the GG story line. The other issue they have with GG is that our surveys say that the number one complaint is that ASM treads over the same ground as SM and that Lizard was too similar to GG, sticking in GG and having the same bridge scene and basically the same story as SM will elicit the same reaction. Going for an all new enemy like Kraven or Mysterio will give the franchise some differentiation. They can save GG for the final movie of the trilogy and refresh the acting talent afterwards, new female lead and new Spidey (if they want it).

Oh, they also said to find a way to bring back J. K. Simmons as JJJ.
 
I loved the Peter Parker/Gwen Stacy stuff and most of the action, but the rest of it felt like they edited it together the week before it was released. Like they were trying to create a whole different story than the one they shot with the footage they had. I wish they would release Marc Webb's cut to compare it.

And that crane sequence....l m a o.
The crane sequence is just....for fuck's sakes, can we get a god damned Spiderman movie made by someone who has ever been to New York?
 
I thought the film was "ok" it just seemed to drag on at times, and I wasn't really drawn into the storyline like I would have like to. Emma Stone really is a great actress in what she does I always connect with her characters as likeable.

Why can't we have Hobgoblin in the sequel or Kraven or even something stupid like Shocker...then we can go back and retread Rami's villians.

Why would Gwen have to die in the sequel can we not keep her on and kill her off in the third...we already had a death in the first one.

Kraven cannot be done without some buildup. He can't just appear out of nowhere dressed at crocodile dundee in the streets of New York, in the comics he had a history of failed attempts to beat Spiderman before he lost all his shit in Kraven's Last Hunt. They could introduce him in 2 as a small time thug and bring symbiote and do Last Hunt arc in 3rd.

Gwen Stacy is dying though at the hands of the Goblin in the next movie..she has always been a plot device. MJ is Spidey's main gal.
 
Introduce Norman Osborne in the second movie as the sick old man they implied he was in this one, but have someone else as the villain.

Green Goblin for the third movie. Gwen dies at the end of the second act.

Stay away from Harry and MJ to distance this series from the Raimi movies. Also stay away from the Daily Bugle and JJJ.

These are just bad ideas.
 
I dunno man, I agree with all of that except not having GG as the next enemy. It just seems like the natural next step what with the splicing mutations and Gwen Stacy scenario set up. And at some point they'll probably feel inclined to reintroduce Harry and Mary-Jane, which I feel has to be in the sequel. Then the sequel can have that huge moment when Peter kills Gwen, and then has to learn about moving on and that his responsibility extends farther than simply his own human needs similar to Peter in Spider-Man 2.
"Am I not allowed to have what I want?"
Or something like that.

Gwen's death has to be handled right. If its at the end of the movie, then it almost has to occur in the 2nd movie near end giving enough time to add some events to make the audience feel less sad about it. Then you can have a more mature spiderman in the 3rd movie and introduce Mary Jane.

If it doesn't happen next movie, then it has to happen early in the 3rd uncle Ben style, so they can wrap up the thread all within that movie. I can see that being rushed, especially depending on what villain they are doing an origin for.

I think Kingpin might be good to introduce. That way you can have two villains easily, since kingpin usually hires superhuman thugs. Kingpin himself could then be resolved in the 3rd movie as an ongoing thread, depending on where goblin shows up. Goblin HAS to show up because I don't see this series ending with Gwen alive.

I wish one of these movies would start with the villain already existing, and then spiderman learning where he came from throughout the movie instead of the typical long villain origin setup. Think Dark Knight, Joker was already there. Didn't need to bog down the movie with exactly where he came from.
 
Webb might deserve some of the blame, but I really put it on the editors for eliminating potential tension with their cuts.

Liked the film nonetheless.
 
That's fine but our guys say that they can't kill Gwen Stacy, she is waaaaaay too popular with teens and men. If they can't kill off Gwen then how are they going to do the GG story line. The other issue they have with GG is that our surveys say that the number one complaint is that ASM treads over the same ground as SM and that Lizard was too similar to GG, sticking in GG and having the same bridge scene and basically the same story as SM will elicit the same reaction. Going for an all new enemy like Kraven or Mysterio will give the franchise some differentiation. They can save GG for the final movie of the trilogy and refresh the acting talent afterwards, new female lead and new Spidey (if they want it).

Oh, they also said to find a way to bring back J. K. Simmons as JJJ.

No way this will happen. It might confuse the some audiences in the relation between the two Spidey movie universes. But yeah, I understand the GG and Gwen relationship, which is why I'd like it to happen in the sequel. It'll show that this series has balls and is willing to kill off a main character. And they don't have to do the same thing with GG. Hell, maybe they could do the two-villain thing and have Mysterio as the minor villain to bring something fresh.

Gwen Stacey's such a likeable character, which is why she needs to die.
 
Neither have much range. They both do what they do very well, but it doesn't extend very far.

I mean sure, just like any other composer they all have their comfort zones, their own style. Even John Williams. People jump onto Horner for recycling music, but many composers do the exact same thing. I've heard cues in TDKR that could be ripped right out of Pirates 2. In fact there's one cue that is a complete rip on the Kraken theme.

I'm just saying that I find that Giacchino's music would be suited toward Spider-man better than Zimmer's style. Obviously this isn't to say that Zimmer wouldn't do a great job, I absolutely think he would. I'm merely going by my own experience with the composers. Spider-man would greatly benefit from a score along the lines of Speed Racer for example. I can't say that it would benefit, or even mesh well, from a score along the lines of Inception or Batman.
 
Even though I didn't like the movie overall, Hair Guy is my new favorite Peter Parker/Spider-Man. He felt more like an actual teenager.
 
Did anybody else feel like the biggest problem with this movie was that as soon as he got the costume on, the whole film might as well have started right then? I actually really LIKED some stuff that came before, but when he got the costume on and started doing his car jacker bit, the film actually picked up the pace for a while, started really zipping. Like the film actually felt like it BEGAN without missing a beat. The film needed a Soderbergh edit, where it starts with the car jacker stuff, then you find out why he's looking at their wrists, get some stuff about his parents in flashbacks, continue on with the lizard, losing a whole bunch of Connors bull shit that contradicts his psychotic nature later in the film, skip over the sketchily written relationship stuff in the first half, make it so it's not totally fucking weird that Captain Stacy shows up in the second half out of nowhere and is basically in every scene thereafter thus making it feel as though we've entered a whole nother film..

Not to mention how all of the characters basically recount what happened earlier in the film in the second half anyways. Seriously, be bold Webb. You got a great nonlinear story here (although no editing can fix the total lack of motivations for The Lizard), BE IMAGINATIVE DUDE.
 
Next movie needs to be shot on location in NYC. The city was very much part of the movies in Raimi's films. I'm sure this skyrocketed the budget and make for a more difficult shoot but who cares, the most we get to see of NYC in this is establishing shots of the skyline. We never see much of it from ground level and that is a shame.
 
No way this will happen. It might confuse the some audiences in the relation between the two Spidey movie universes. But yeah, I understand the GG and Gwen relationship, which is why I'd like it to happen in the sequel. It'll show that this series has balls and is willing to kill off a main character. And they don't have to do the same thing with GG. Hell, maybe they could do the two-villain thing and have Mysterio as the minor villain to bring something fresh.

Gwen Stacey's such a likeable character, which is why she needs to die.

You might like it to happen, but a studio won't willingly kill of the audience's favourite character, even though most know she dies eventually.

Two villains doesn't work, we found out that much in SM3, unless they go for a Kingpin type setup with a super-villain and some minions more than one villain doesn't make sense.
 
Also, RE: editing.

Remember, we know Sony hated the film a month or two back. So its not inconceivable that a last minute hatchet-job studio edit was put together.
 
Also, RE: editing.

Remember, we know Sony hated the film a month or two back. So its not inconceivable that a last minute hatchet-job studio edit was put together.

Not only is it not inconceivable, it is most definitely true. They hacked it to pieces after carefully selected, err, test audiences gave the studio the answers they wanted.
 
Stacey was good in parts, but there was a lot of inexplicable ungrounded doting on her part. I would've preferred if the relationship wasnt so easy.
 
These are just bad ideas.

Why?

Raimi's movies were about Peter's relationship with MJ and Harry. ASM and its sequels should be about Peter's relationship with Gwen. Bringing in MJ and Harry would just unnecessarily complicate things. Plus bringing in MJ would undoubtedly result in an annoying love triangle that would take up far too much screen time.

Develop the Peter and Gwen relationship throughout the next movie to make her death in the third more tragic. Maybe keep Flash around and develop him a bit more.


As for the Daily Bugle and JJJ, I think it would be a mistake to cast someone besides J.K. Simmons because nobody could nail that character as perfectly as he did, but bringing back J.K. Simmons would also be a huge mistake. It would be best to avoid that and focus on other aspects of Peter's life for now. Maybe even keep him in high school for this trilogy.
 
You might like it to happen, but a studio won't willingly kill of the audience's favourite character, even though most know she dies eventually.

Two villains doesn't work, we found out that much in SM3, unless they go for a Kingpin type setup with a super-villain and some minions more than one villain doesn't make sense.

It can be done if they don't bother with origins with every villain, and don't feel the need to resolve the thread of both villains within the movie. Dark knight had two villains, but joker had no origin story and was the true star. Actually forgot what happened to two face, heh
 
As for the Daily Bugle and JJJ, I think it would be a mistake to cast someone besides J.K. Simmons because nobody could nail that character as perfectly as he did, but bringing back J.K. Simmons would also be a huge mistake. It would be best to avoid that and focus on other aspects of Peter's life for now. Maybe even keep him in high school for this trilogy.

They can't keep him in HS, he was 17 in this movie which makes him a senior, so the ASM2 will definitely be set with PP as a college student which gives them a good way of bringing JJJ in as Peter will need the money.
 
You might like it to happen, but a studio won't willingly kill of the audience's favourite character, even though most know she dies eventually.

Two villains doesn't work, we found out that much in SM3, unless they go for a Kingpin type setup with a super-villain and some minions more than one villain doesn't make sense.

Two villains CAN work, as we found out in TDK. But equivalent to Nolan, Webb is not.
And yeah, good point on M in the Bond franchise, but that's already gone through like 7 different reboots? This is Spider-Man's first one, so audiences won't be used to it. Perhaps we're being too narrow-minded, and maybe there's a Heath Ledger to JK's Nicholson.
 
Why?

Raimi's movies were about Peter's relationship with MJ and Harry. ASM and its sequels should be about Peter's relationship with Gwen. Bringing in MJ and Harry would just unnecessarily complicate things. Plus bringing in MJ would undoubtedly result in an annoying love triangle that would take up far too much screen time.

Develop the Peter and Gwen relationship throughout the next movie to make her death in the third more tragic. Maybe keep Flash around and develop him a bit more.


As for the Daily Bugle and JJJ, I think it would be a mistake to cast someone besides J.K. Simmons because nobody could nail that character as perfectly as he did, but bringing back J.K. Simmons would also be a huge mistake. It would be best to avoid that and focus on other aspects of Peter's life for now. Maybe even keep him in high school for this trilogy.

One of the best aspects of Spidey is that his supporting cast is so just damn good. MJ, Harry, Flash, Betty, Robbie, JJJ etc. I don't agree that MJ and Harry would complicate things, not if you have people familiar with the lore writing things. If we ever got MJ , keeping her famous line in would be great. In addition, have her personality match in the comics. MJ and Gwen were the best of friends and we only got MJ/Peter getting close to one another when they both lost a friend. Following that arc along with GG over 2 films would be great.

I think bringing back J.K Simmons would be fine. Sony need not distance themselves from one of the best aspects of the Raimi movies. Get rid of the bad and keep the good.
 
They got Webb for the relationship stuff which was smart.

What was not smart was not getting a guy with a cohesive creative vision or editing skills.
 
Two Face was great in TDK. His ending confrontation with Batman and Gordon was one of the most chilling, tense parts of the movie. There's being negative and then there's just being wrong.
 
I saw this on the 4th and was totally unimpressed. I am a huge Spidey fan and this movie left me cold. Totally forgettable, which is probably the worst thing a multimillion dollar film can be.
 
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