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Whose great power? What an awful 4th wall comment coming from Ben. He never has a clue that Peter is Spider-Man. So the comment sounds pretentious spoken to Peter because what power does Peter have from Ben's POV? That's right, nothing. Ben only says that for the audience, which makes it all so contrived, fake, and unnatural as far as dialogues are concerned. A typical Hollywood targeting audiences who are easily manipulated by simple cheesy lines so they can quote it over and over again.

Reading the Lee/Ditko comics and just learned that this line was never spoken by Ben. I concede that it makes no logical sense in context of the first movie but I do enjoy its inclusion and I think it works thematically. I don't know who would be a good director for the sequel to be honest. I am sure they will hire someone very studio friendly.

Also, 60s Spider-Man is a nerd but he honestly is not THAT much of a nerd. And he isn't an ugly nerd either. Garfield's depiction seems a lot more socially inept/emo than how the character was originally conceived.
 

Listening to this now...really great review(s). They hit on everything wrong with the movie. And I'm not even at the spoilers part yet.

Like how the movie overemphasizes the "lizard motif", and the part in the movie where there's like four CGI lizards crawling around on the same drain, I was thinking "Wow, NYC must have a lot of lizards."
 
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oh god lol
 
Reading the Lee/Ditko comics and just learned that this line was never spoken by Ben. I concede that it makes no logical sense in context of the first movie but I do enjoy its inclusion and I think it works thematically.

They've retconned it and made it so Ben *did* say that line to Peter, though. He also says it in USM.
 
Edgar Wright would probably be great, but isn't he doing Ant-Man?

Edgar Wright's Ant-Man and Shane Black's Iron Man. That can't possibly suck...right?

Right
 
Seriously though, there is a 0% chance there will ever be a great film ala S-M2 to come out of this reboot franchise with the likes of Orci and Kurtzmann penning the sequel.

Depressing shit.
 
..and you are aware that the Raimi films didn't create the "With great power comes great responsibility." line, right? Because it seems you aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Ben#.22With_great_power_comes_great_responsibility.22

Very aware. It's a caption for one of the comics, which makes it all the more awkward and contrived for a dialogue. If it had been spoken only as an internal monologue by Peter then it'd be okay.

Was talking about his new POS Spiderman. Not really an improvement in the dialogue department, and has nothing to do with taking an iconic line out. It's a movie where I guy turns into a giant Lizard and countless cheesy elements and your getting worked up over a line you thought was cheesy in a comic book movie?

Well, considering the argument about the new film is that the dialogue is not convincing, which is BS, I just pointed out how much worse the dialogues in the original trilogy were. The dialogues in this new film is far more flowing and not as tagline-inspired as the original ones were.

Raimi's Spider-Man said:
Uncle Ben: Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.

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I do think it's a little unfair that the first two movies gets away with really dumb lines because all of them can just be explained away by the cheese factor.

ASM really can't win here.
 
Seriously though, there is a 0% chance there will ever be a great film ala S-M2 to come out of this reboot franchise with the likes of Orci and Kurtzmann penning the sequel.

Depressing shit.

No Sam Raimi Lizard, no Bruce Campbell Mysterio, souless reboot/reheating with Orci/Kurtzmann sequel already lined up.

That shit keeps me up at night
 
Also, the crane scene... I will admit that, most likely due to the score (not great by any means, but happy to abuse the fuck out of those predictable, yet "powerful" chord progressions) and the drawn-out build-up, I felt something - something in the realm of excitement... And then he fucking falls short on the first jump.

I'm not an idiot; I know what they were going for, but it achieved the direct opposite for me. It absolutely killed the energy of the moment. Of course he's not going to fucking fall to his death, but you know what? Seeing him rise on some crane arm is not exciting. It built itself up to be a nuclear explosion, cancelled the detonation and replaced it with a firecracker.

And yes, these transgressions appear in ALL films like this, but they're so glaring and cringe-worthy in this film. I'm kind of in shock at all of it.

So, yeah.

9.5/10. A great film.
 
Alright folks, my 4 year old (will be 5 in a couple of weeks) loves the three Raimi versions. He gets bored when Spider-man is off camera though. How is the pacing? I know its another "origin" one so I am guessing he doesn't show up as spider-man until like an hour in? Just debating on whether or not to take him for his bday.
 
Listening to this now...really great review(s). They hit on everything wrong with the movie. And I'm not even at the spoilers part yet.

Like how the movie overemphasizes the "lizard motif", and the part in the movie where there's like four CGI lizards crawling around on the same drain, I was thinking "Wow, NYC must have a lot of lizards."

Still listening. Still great review.

At the end, when Lizard
"saves" Spider-man by grabbing his arm, he's saving the one person in the universe who doesn't need to be saved that way, seeing as Spider-man can stick to the side of buildings.
 
I agree with you.

Especially your comments on how everything is so contrived and forced. All the convoluted motions they go through to try and portray "With great power comes great responsibility." could've---and should've---been better and simpler portrayed by simply fucking saying it like literally every other Spider-Man adaptation. Your shitty movie isn't above that line, Marc Webb.
You're so fucking wrong about this. The movie has a lot of problems, but being contrived to portray responsibility instead of using that specific line verbatim, is not one of the main issues.

You're grasping at straws at this point, which is weird since there are more obvious/glaring issues with the movie than most of you're spouting.

Twas ok, but souless. Somehow 80% of dialogs was in the trailers.

Not enough Spider-Man in this Spider-Man.
Agreed. The only thing that balances that fact is that the Spider-Man we did get was far better than anything we have seen before. But yeah, still felt like it wasn't enough spidey in comparison to SM1 and esp. to SM2.
 
Still listening. Still great review.

At the end, when Lizard
"saves" Spider-man by grabbing his arm, he's saving the one person in the universe who doesn't need to be saved that way, seeing as Spider-man can stick to the side of buildings.
He was flying off the side unable to grab anything to stick to.
 
Still listening. Still great review.

At the end, when Lizard
"saves" Spider-man by grabbing his arm, he's saving the one person in the universe who doesn't need to be saved that way, seeing as Spider-man can stick to the side of buildings.

Well D'OH?!
He didn't help mostly because Spidey needed help (although that's debatable too). The help was a gesture of regret and apology for what he's done. To let Peter know that he no longer snapping out of his mind and to hasten the possibility of Peter saving Captain Stacey, who's gravely injured at that point.
 
Well D'OH?!
He didn't help mostly because Spidey needed help (although that's debatable too). The help was a gesture of regret and apology for what he's done. To let Peter know that he no longer snapping out of his mind and to hasten the possibility of Peter saving Captain Stacey, who's gravely injured at that point.

No, silly-billies. Lizard man destroyed his web-dispensers by crushing his wrists earlier on. I thought this was quite obvious.
 
Alright folks, my 4 year old (will be 5 in a couple of weeks) loves the three Raimi versions. He gets bored when Spider-man is off camera though. How is the pacing? I know its another "origin" one so I am guessing he doesn't show up as spider-man until like an hour in? Just debating on whether or not to take him for his bday.

Spider-Man doesn't even get bit for like half a hour, the film is much slower and drawn out without much to say. I know the little kids beside me were getting real restless.
 
You're so fucking wrong about this. The movie has a lot of problems, but being contrived to portray responsibility instead of using that specific line verbatim, is not one of the main issues.

You're grasping at straws at this point, which is weird since there are more obvious/glaring issues with the movie than most of you're spouting.
It's one of the main issues, for me.

I don't think trying to portray responsibility by "showing it" instad of "saying it" is necessarily a bad idea, I just felt it was so clumsily handled in this film that they would've been better off saying it.
 
Alright folks, my 4 year old (will be 5 in a couple of weeks) loves the three Raimi versions. He gets bored when Spider-man is off camera though. How is the pacing? I know its another "origin" one so I am guessing he doesn't show up as spider-man until like an hour in? Just debating on whether or not to take him for his bday.

Both times I saw the film, there was a kid four rows back from me asking "Is that Spider-Man" about a thousand times.

Print out some pictures of Andrew Garfield, Jim Davis's Garfield, Spider-Man, and cranes to help him study prior to the movie.
 
Well D'OH?!
He didn't help mostly because Spidey needed help (although that's debatable too). The help was a gesture of regret and apology for what he's done. To let Peter know that he no longer snapping out of his mind and to hasten the possibility of Peter saving Captain Stacey, who's gravely injured at that point.

I just didn't get Connor's motivation.
First he wanted his arm back, then he is hearing voices, then he wants to save the city by making them lizards, then he kills someone and now he is saving spider-man and saying "I'm Sorry"

At least Doc Ock was believable in Spider-man 2.



Anyone know how much of the web fluid did Peter steal? He had an endless supply. The bank scene in Spider-man 2 when Peter could not shoot web at Doctor Octopus should have happened in the Amazing Spider-man
 
No, silly-billies. Lizard man destroyed his web-dispensers by crushing his wrists earlier on. I thought this was quite obvious.

Except genius, Peter doesn't need web dispenser to stick into ceilings or buildings. That's one of his innate abilities inherited from the Spider bite. Watch the beginning where he just leapt and stuck to the ceiling of a train when he was shocked. He didn't even have the web dispenser back then.

I just didn't get Connor's motivation.
First he wanted his arm back, then he is hearing voices, then he wants to save the city by making them lizards, then he kills someone and now he is saving spider-man and saying "I'm Sorry"

At least Doc Ock was believable in Spider-man 2.

What is so hard to understand? The film mentioned earlier that by
altering your DNA, you may also alter your personality if you don't have the right mixture. Becoming more aggressive like a Lizard and losing control of his mind is the side effect of Connor turning into the Lizard.
 
Except genius, Peter doesn't need web dispenser to stick into ceilings or buildings. That's one of his innate abilities inherited from the Spider bite. Watch the beginning where he just leapt and stuck to the ceiling of a train when he was shocked. He didn't even have the web dispenser back then.

Yup. The Amazing Spider-man had so many issues but people seem to want to overlook them to like the film.
 
I just didn't get Connor's motivation.
First he wanted his arm back, then he is hearing voices, then he wants to save the city by making them lizards, then he kills someone and now he is saving spider-man and saying "I'm Sorry"

At least Doc Ock was believable in Spider-man 2.
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Anyone know how much of the web fluid did Peter steal? He had an endless supply. The bank scene in Spider-man 2 when Peter could not shoot web at Doctor Octopus should have happened in the Amazing Spider-man

That's pretty much the lizard.
 
Yup. The Amazing Spider-man had so many issues but people seem to want to overlook them to like the film.

It's not just a matter of liking the film or disliking the film. I wish people are more observant of the dialogue and the scenes before they go and scream "plotholes". In many cases, I find that people are not observant of the plot but they blame the film anyway.
 
Except genius, Peter doesn't need web dispenser to stick into ceilings or buildings. That's one of his innate abilities inherited from the Spider bite. Watch the beginning where he just leapt and stuck to the ceiling of a train when he was shocked. He didn't even have the web dispenser back then.



What is so hard to understand? The film mentioned earlier that by
altering your DNA, you may also alter your personality if you don't have the right mixture. Becoming more aggressive like a Lizard and losing control of his mind is the side effect of Connor turning into the Lizard.

Ha, that one went over my head :(
 
Those people on the train sure took a guy attaching himself to the ceiling a train pretty well. They seem more upset by that woman's skirt got wet, and he kept touching her.

And then incomprehensible action scene followed
 
That's pretty much the lizard.

Really?
It would have been better if Connor was trying to create a cure but keeps turning into the Lizard. Lizard captures Gwen, Spider-man goes into the sewers fights Liz, saves Gwen and Connor transformers himself back into himself and drowns himself before he changed back to the Lizard. The Lizard would have been better if it was a take on the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

-ok that might not work but it is better than Lizard making the city into a bunch of lizards.


What's happening then?

Also, how does Peter know the
antidote number/mixture/recipe
?

Because its easy to make antidotes in these type of movies.


It's not just a matter of liking the film or disliking the film. I wish people are more observant of the dialogue and the scenes before they go and scream "plotholes". In many cases, I find that people are not observant of the plot but they blame the film anyway.

What as the plot?
Stopping Lizard for believing he can save the city by turning them into Lizards? Whatever happened to those cop lizards? why wasn't they going rampant in the city.
 
Except genius, Peter doesn't need web dispenser to stick into ceilings or buildings. That's one of his innate abilities inherited from the Spider bite. Watch the beginning where he just leapt and stuck to the ceiling of a train when he was shocked. He didn't even have the web dispenser back then.

I stand corrected! Thanks for calling me a genius.

EDIT: Also, I kinda love that this movie is getting even worse.
 
And the crane scene?

Such a stupid sequence.

"Hey. This kid helped me. Let me help him. I know that he is going to Oscorp so let's do this. *teleports inside a crane* Let me line this shit up, Spidey!"

With that said. I enjoyed the movie for the sake of enjoyment, but as I mentioned before, an extended cut needs to be released as it skipped on so many things that were introduced but skipped or not shown.

A lot of it was answered with "cause he's spiderman, OK!", as if audience should just accept the shit spewing out of the narrative.
 
Such a stupid sequence.

"Hey. This kid helped me. Let me help him. I know that he is going to Oscorp so let's do this. *teleports inside a crane* Let me line this shit up, Spidey!"

With that said. I enjoyed the movie for the sake of enjoyment, but as I mentioned before, an extended cut needs to be released as it skipped on so many things that were introduced but skipped or not shown.

Not to mention the "crane guy" is the one who
saves Peter during his temporary comic relief web malfunction, or whatever the hell that was, by somehow lifting his extra bonus crane at the exact right time
.
 
What's happening then?

Also, how does Peter know the
antidote number/mixture/recipe
?

Peter was the one who came up with
the missing equation that solves the problem on how using Lizard limb to help amputated subject. One would think Peter already figured out the reverse solution in case things didn't go as plan (and it didn't).

NeoJubei said:
What as the plot?
Stopping Lizard for believing he can save the city by turning them into Lizards? Whatever happened to those cop lizards? why wasn't they going rampant in the city.

Uhm, those
cop lizards got cured at the end of the film? They showed that on screen. Why are they not rampant? They do still retain part of their mind, you know. Connor doesn't go completely batshit insane until he up the dosage on himself to retain the permanent effect. Those cops look like they only get a gasfull of the formula instead of a direct injection.
 
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