The apparent success of Blu-Ray and what it means for future consoles

Well, Blu-Ray has won one battle.

What will this mean for Microsoft and Nintendo's next-gen systems though? Is it truly definite that they'll make use of it as a storage medium?

Microsoft I can possibly see. But Nintendo I just don't see for some reason.
 
I agree with you, I think Microsoft will either use Bluray or their next console will be digital downloads only (which doesn't seem smart to me). Nintendo will stick with DVD9.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if the Wii2 and Xbox720 use it, if it becomes the dominant medium and everyone stops watching DVDs. Otherwise they'd have to use some other proprietary medium and that's not very good.
 
Nintendo will probably come up with some proprietary format similar but unique to the Wii successor. Thats how they usually do things.
 
Exactly..
Nintendo will probably create some 20-40GB disc, call it NOD (Nintendo Optical Disc) and call it a day..
 
a Master Ninja said:
What about solid-state flash memory? That shit is getting cheap and big. Fuck load times and installs, we need a cartridge comeback!
That would be awesome, but I think it would be a problem with mods/hacks/roms.
 
fernoca said:
Exactly..
Nintendo will probably create some 20-40GB disc, call it NOD (Nintendo Optical Disc) and call it a day..

Consoles don't need to be compatible with anything, so you have a point. But using 40GB worth of Flash memory in a cart would be hilarious, as well as cost $500.
 
fernoca said:
Exactly..
Nintendo will probably create some 20-40GB disc, call it NOD (Nintendo Optical Disc) and call it a day..

And absorb the high cost of developing and manufacturing a proprietary format? That doesn't sound like Nintendo.
 
Well I might see that for maybe the 720 but I don't know about Nintendo they usually like to do their own Voodoo. More voodoo is good.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they just used a proprietary HD-DVD based media for the 720. I mean, why not? Blu-Ray won't be the dominant video format by 2010, but they definitely need a more spacious disc format.
 
a Master Ninja said:
What about flash memory? That shit is getting cheap and big. I wouldn't mind seeing load times go away.
magnetic security tags on boxes? or is flash fine with magnets?
 
krypt0nian said:
Krazy Ken Kutaragi rises to heaven.

KK vindicated - back to top dog in SCE?

I thought the apparent success of Waggle and non-games would have more influence on future consoles.
 
Solid state drives are nice, but digital downloads won't be coming anytime soon. EB and other stores will not sell your hardware unless you give them some games to profit from. Much too expensive to use flash memory for large games though. It would be perfect for DS2 and PSP2 though, I will be pissed if PSP2 continues to use UMD, so very gimped.
 
Whatever Nintendo does with Wii2, it won't be enough. They always lag behind in technology. I agree with the poster who said they'd just stick with DVD9 (which, I believe would be equivalent to going with carts for the N64).
 
Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) is an optical disc technology which would hold up to 3.9 terabytes (TB) of information. It employs a technique known as collinear holography, whereby two lasers, one red and one green, are collimated in a single beam. The green laser reads data encoded as laser interference fringes from a holographic layer near the top of the disc while the red laser is used as the reference beam and to read servo information from a regular CD-style aluminum layer near the bottom. Servo information is used to monitor the position of the read head over the disc, similar to the head, track, and sector information on a conventional hard disk drive. On a CD or DVD this servo information is interspersed amongst the data.

A dichroic mirror layer between the holographic data and the servo data reflects the green laser while letting the red laser pass through. This prevents interference from refraction of the green laser off the servo data pits and is an advance over past holographic storage media, which either experienced too much interference, or lacked the servo data entirely, making them incompatible with current CD and DVD drive technology.[1] These discs have the capacity to hold up to 3.9 terabytes (TB) of information, which is approximately 5,800 times the capacity of a CD-ROM, 850 times the capacity of a DVD, 160 times the capacity of single-layer Blu-ray Discs, and about 4 times the capacity of the largest computer hard drives as of 2007. The HVD also has a transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s (128 MB/s). Optware was expected to release a 200 GB disc in early June 2006, and Maxell in September 2006 with a capacity of 300 GB and transfer rate of 20 MB/s.[2] On June 28 , 2007, HVD standards have been approved and published.[3]
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they just used a proprietary HD-DVD based media for the 720. I mean, why not? Blu-Ray won't be the dominant video format by 2010, but they definitely need a more spacious disc format.

This makes no sense. :P

So MS should go with proprietary format which will cost more to produce , when Blu Ray disc replication will be next to nothing by 2010.

Sony isn't the only platform holder with the blu ray group. MS will partner with Samsung or Panasonic for a Blu Ray drive in the next Xbox.
 
I would not be suprised if they used HD-DVD next gen. They should be able to get the license dirt cheap. Also since it lost there will be very little hd-dvd burners out there. MS has been burned by piracy 2 gens in a row. A dead medium like HD-DVD would be a great way to prevent the piracy of the average person.
 
_leech_ said:
And absorb the high cost of developing and manufacturing a proprietary format? That doesn't sound like Nintendo.
They usually partner with someone (Matsushita/Panasonic) like they did for both GameCube's 1.5GB discs and Wii's 4.7GB discs (though Brawl is rumored to be dual-layer which means 8.5GB)
 
You guys suggesting HD DVD drives are retarded. ;) Yeah MS should tie its next console to a dead media format. That'll do the trick.

Blu Ray will go mainstream around 2009/2010. MS would be smart to latch on for the ride and give consumers extra value.

Sony and MS partner in a ton of different avenues. This would be no different.
 
Mrbob said:
This makes no sense. :P

So MS should go with proprietary format which will cost more to produce , when Blu Ray disc replication will be next to nothing by 2010.

Sony isn't the only platform holder with the blu ray group. MS will partner with Samsung or Panasonic for a Blu Ray drive in the next Xbox.

*shrugs*

Okay? It doesn't really matter either way. The 720 will undoubtedly have a next gen disc format.
 
fernoca said:
They usually partner with someone (Matsushita/Panasonic) like they did for both GameCube's 1.5GB discs and Wii's 4.7GB discs (though Brawl is dual-layer which means 8.5GB)

Those are both based on DVD tech, though. Not really ground-up proprietary.
 
quest said:
I would not be suprised if they used HD-DVD next gen. They should be able to get the license dirt cheap. Also since it lost there will be very little hd-dvd burners out there. MS has been burned by piracy 2 gens in a row. A dead medium like HD-DVD would be a great way to prevent the piracy of the average person.
Funny enough...that is literially crazy enough to work:lol I would still make it atleast a Combo HDDVD/BluRay thing but have games only on HDDVD
 
Mrbob said:
Blu Ray will go mainstream around 2009/2010. MS would be smart to latch on for the ride and give consumers extra value.

That I don't think will happen, especially since the War is over and players won't be coming down in price any time soon.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
*shrugs*

Okay? It doesn't really matter either way. The 720 will undoubtedly have a next gen disc format.

Well there is also the second option.

Keep it a DVD drive and stick a 500GB hdd on the system for easy installations.

Or go Blu Ray with a 500GB drive which would be a nice choice.

That I don't think will happen, especially since the War is over and players won't be coming down in price any time soon.

Yeah because there will never be competition between existing Blu Ray players.
 
_leech_ said:
And absorb the high cost of developing and manufacturing a proprietary format? That doesn't sound like Nintendo.

Both the GameCube and and Wii use proprietary discs based on other media formats. Wii games don't come on DVDs. they come on a proprietary format that has a similar size as DVDs. Same thing will likely happen with the next system from them.

quest, that's actually not a bad idea. They could get a high storage disc format without having to pay much for it.
 
All Digital Downloads will not be happening for awhile. Other countries might be able to support it, but the USA... is woefully behind.

Hell if it takes a few days for a whole internets to be sent through a tube, imagine a 30+gb game.
 
Mrbob said:
You guys suggesting HD DVD drives are retarded. ;) Yeah MS should tie its next console to a dead media format. That'll do the trick.

Blu Ray will go mainstream around 2009/2010. MS would be smart to latch on for the ride and give consumers extra value.

Wait a goddamn second. Wasn't Kutaragi forcing consumers to buy a media format that no one wanted? Wasn't he reckless and insane for driving up prices on hardware that served no purpose? Wasn't DVD-9 perfectly acceptable and more than enough capacity for nearly everyone's needs?

Fast forward 1 year and now it's extra value! KK rises to heaven indeed. :lol

Not laughing at you Mrbob, just the irony.
 
_leech_ said:
Portables would be the perfect place to test out a full digital distribution model.

I just owned up 40 bucks. Where's my box and a nicely designed manual?

... I also like to hold the actual game chip between my fingers. Even if it's small like the DS' ones.
 
Microsofts next console will definitely have bluray, but i also think they'll offer everyone of their games through download. will likely see something like terabyte HDDs as standard.

then again, bluray games are like 30 gigs so that would be around 30 games per HDD.
 
It kills me how everyone is all DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION! DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION!

Do you realize how far off that is? Jeez the maximum speed internet we have is like 15 mb/s and that's TOP tier stuff. Most everyone that has high speed (and there are still people on dial up) have 5 - 10 meg connections. You honestly think that's enough to download a high def movie in reasonable time?

Let alone the fact that it's assumed people are ready to completely give up on owning physical copies of anything. I don't know about everyone, but I like having a physical disk of something I bought. That isn't DRM'd to death.
 
Mrbob said:
Yeah because there will never be competition between existing Blu Ray players.

Okay?

Awesome?

I mean, what do you want me to say? CDs were cheap and easy to produce and Nintendo still made Gamecube discs. It's not like I said they'd be made out of chocolate.
 
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BenjaminBirdie said:
That I don't think will happen, especially since the War is over and players won't be coming down in price any time soon.
:lol

Now that the in fighting is over and we have a single format, prepare for a massive unified push to get players and discs into everyone's home.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Okay?

Awesome?

I mean, what do you want me to say? CDs were cheap and easy to produce and Nintendo still made Gamecube discs. It's not like I said they'd be made out of chocolate.

Er, what? Why would Nintendo have made GameCube games on CD's? CD's only hold up to 600MB of data, GameCube discs held up to 1.5GB. Maybe you meant to say DVD.
 
Golden Darkness said:
Well, Blu-Ray has won one battle.

What will this mean for Microsoft and Nintendo's next-gen systems though? Is it truly definite that they'll make use of it as a storage medium?

Microsoft I can possibly see. But Nintendo I just don't see for some reason.

Bluray might have won the war, but has PS3 won its war? Will it ever? Has/will Sony won/win ?
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Okay?

Awesome?

I mean, what do you want me to say? CDs were cheap and easy to produce and Nintendo still made Gamecube discs. It's not like I said they'd be made out of chocolate.

I think you meant DVDs.

But anyway, I was just correcting your statement. Stop getting so defensive.
 
Unless it tops DVD by next-gen it won't mean much at all. By then we'll be even closer to digital distribution (I love Steam, but ugh, I want to own my games on media); and we'll have memory cards with sufficient speed and capacity to store any game. By that time, the only question for memory cards will be whether they are sufficiently low in cost.
 
strange_booj said:
I agree with you, I think Microsoft will either use Bluray or their next console will be digital downloads only (which doesn't seem smart to me). Nintendo will stick with DVD9.

No one is going DD only next gen unless they want to lose and lose big.
 
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