MickeyKnox
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.SolidSnakex said:
Not even the next handhelds will use a pure DD model.
The apparent success of Blu-Ray and what it means for future consoles
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Not even the next handhelds will use a pure DD model.
Golden Darkness
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MickeyKnox said:
The only way they'll get the players and discs into peoples homes is to:
1) Manufacture only Blu-Ray players (while noting DVD backwards compatibility)
2) Have only, and I mean only, Blu-Ray releases (no DVD, Download)
It's like with the HDTVs. Most people aren't getting them because they want to see High Def content. HDTVs are the only thing you can get.
Mrbob said:You guys suggesting HD DVD drives are retarded.Yeah MS should tie its next console to a dead media format. That'll do the trick.
Blu Ray will go mainstream around 2009/2010. MS would be smart to latch on for the ride and give consumers extra value.
Sony and MS partner in a ton of different avenues. This would be no different.
Plus, one of the advantage of including Blu-ray is that it plays movies as well. Why would Microsoft adopt HD DVD now that its dead and has no new movies released on it? :lol Unless the HD-DVD would be used for games exclusively.
Golden Darkness
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sakuragi said:
Probably true.
I can see Nintendo adopting it though, since they are not into the other media stuff, considering for the movies and tv is their competition.
I really don't see them needing 50 GB for games. Unless they want to really outdo Brawl in terms of content.
sakuragi said:
Bye the time the 720 launches blu player will be sub 100 dollars. People won't care if the 720 plays movies since they will have stand alone players. I see no reason to use a format that will have a ton of burners out there unless they want to be burned by piracy again. MS should use some sort of format that has no or little burners out there to help prevent piracy.
MickeyKnox
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Bluray players are backwards compatible with DVDs, and they can also work on standard definition TVs.Golden Darkness said:
It's not like all the studios and corporations are going to flip a switch and try to force everyone to upgrade but it will be a gradual shift that increases in intensity as time goes on.
The first step is going to be making sure everyone who buys a new HDTV from here on out knows that they have to get a Bluray player. After that you'll probably see DVDs start to get the 2nd class treatment, relegated to bare bones discs that just offer the film without any extras with the special editions and all that being Bluray exclusive.
etc...
BolognaOni
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Well, assuming this gen is going to be on the long side, it's pretty likely BD players will be a dime a dozen by the time the next systems launch. 5-7 years out, disc based movie player may or may not be and important feature for these systems.
In that case, why not use HD-DVD if you're MS? Certainly makes it harder to pirate games... And honestly, who uses PS2/Xbox for a DVD player anymore? Might have been important the first few years, but game systems are usually mediocre at best as players, I don't see how a noisy MS box is going to be any different.
On that note, I think the next hand-helds may not be DD only, but it's pretty likely that they'll use the internet to combat piracy. If it's got a wifi connection, why not just connect every chance it gets and automatically update firmware, etc? Hacked your system? Oh crap, it's a brick now, with a flag set to keep you from warrantying it.
In that case, why not use HD-DVD if you're MS? Certainly makes it harder to pirate games... And honestly, who uses PS2/Xbox for a DVD player anymore? Might have been important the first few years, but game systems are usually mediocre at best as players, I don't see how a noisy MS box is going to be any different.
On that note, I think the next hand-helds may not be DD only, but it's pretty likely that they'll use the internet to combat piracy. If it's got a wifi connection, why not just connect every chance it gets and automatically update firmware, etc? Hacked your system? Oh crap, it's a brick now, with a flag set to keep you from warrantying it.
Zombie James
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Himuro said:
It's selling faster than DVD was at this point in it's lifespan.
Golden Darkness
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Kittonwy said:
Really? Why is that?
MickeyKnox said:
The blu media is not backwards compatible and that is going to be the downfall of blu. There are millions of families with portable DVD players they use to baby sit the kids. They are not going to buy movies 2x once for the portable unit and once for the blu player. Blu is going to be a more successfull LD. The average family has no reason to switch over. They don't care about PQ/SQ that much. Blu does not offer any of the tangeables DVD offered over VHS. Good luck trying to convince the average family to replace the 3+ DVD players and portable units for PQ/SQ.
Sony and toshiba screwed the pooch. Both hd-dvd and blue should of made the first 2 layers of the discs DVD to help the adotion rate. Instead it is an all or nothing and people will stick with DVD.
Death_Born
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quest said:
Hey, they switched over from VCRs......just wait for the players to get cheaper and they'll saturate the market eventually. Just look at Windows Vista.
Kittonwy said:
DVD sales are slowing down because people have already purchased all the back catalog titles they want. Blu is not going to help at all. The back catalog title sales of blu/hd-dvd have been very very poor. Blueand DVD are just new release formats.
That 1 format will be DVD thanks to blu media not being backwards compatible with DVD players.
quest said:
One of the advantages and selling point of the PS2 was that it was a multitask console that could play games And movies. It added to the value of the PS2 and opened it up not just to the games market, but also the movie market. IMO, the PS2 could never have reached 120 million without the inclusion of the standard drive the was used to distribute movies.
Microsoft will NOT allow the PS3/4 to have the media advantage over its next console since they are targeting the similar audience to Sony and avoid the perception that its console has less value compared to Sony's console . And referring to your point about piracy; Look at the PSP and DS. Both of them have unique media formats and both of them were hacked rather quickly, which makes your point rather irrelevant. Your console will be cracked sooner or later so its better to focus on software to combat piracy rather than hardware imo.
The Take Out Bandit
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Linkup said:
Yes, but Xbox3 will be out in 2009; so someone will have a problem.
Death_Born said:
They switched over because of other factors besides PQ/SQ. You young kids were not around for VHS and don't know how horrible it was. Rewinding sucked, tapes breaking sucked, mechanical noise was horrible. Every time you watched a tape it degraded and was 1 play back closer to death. All blu offers is PQ/SQ the average family is not going to spend 100s to replace all the DVD players and portable units with blu players. Hell blu movies at walmart cost more than cheap DVD players.
Zombie James
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quest said:
And how many DVDs were backward compatible with VHS players?
quest said:
Actually, Toshiba did. There were DVD/HD DVD combo discs. One side was a regular DVD version of a movie that could be played in DVD players, the other side was the HD DVD version that could only be played in HD DVD players. Only Universal Studios and Warner Bros. ever released movies on DVD/HD DVD combo discs though.
BenjaminBirdie
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Death_Born said:
I think the big differential this generation is the investment made in TV box sets, to be honest. It sounds silly, and will undoubtedly be roundly debunked, but I think the fact that so many people have made that kind of investment in their home video libraries, which is kind of a first for the DVD generation, means that they'll be less likely to be swayed towards a new format so quickly. Rebuying a $20 movie isn't bad, but rebuying a $60 season of The Shield is a different story.
I've been laughed at for such theories before, though.
MickeyKnox
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Most likely not, prices on HD discs will drop while value (both real and perceived) and content increase and DVD content will simply drop while retaining it's price point to make it a less and less attractive proposition.Tobor said:
You might also start seeing timed exclusive new releases on Bluray, so whatever the big hit of say... summer '09 is, could be released a couple weeks to a month ahead of the dvd version.
Now that everyone is on the same page the options available for expanding the userbase really open up.
quest said:
rofl.
In the end people will just have to get bluray players to replace their dvd players, regardless of whether they have an HD set or not. All their old movies will still work and so will all the new ones.
The Take Out Bandit
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quest said:
As the format becomes more wide spread the prices of the players / movies will drop, so BRD being more expensive than a janky Walmart DVD player will be a moot point in time.
I'm just happy I snagged Con Air and The Host on BRD for $13.50 a pop @ Best Buy today.
but who will sell the hardware? I'm all for it, I don't really like having a bunch of boxes for handheld games (console and PC games is another matter). I want a method of holding my games and being able to access them that is as secure as having the actual disc/cartridge though, and one that will last just as long._leech_ said:
The Take Out Bandit said:As the format becomes more wide spread the prices of the players / movies will drop, so BRD being more expensive than a janky Walmart DVD player will be a moot point in time.
I'm just happy I snagged Con Air and The Host on BRD for $13.50 a pop @ Best Buy today.
That 13.50 dollar movie going to play in the DVD player built into the mini van that is now standard equipment?
MickeyKnox
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You just don't get it do you.quest said:
The DVD player is what gets replaced, the movies will all still work.
BenjaminBirdie
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quest said:
This I agree with, but hardcore gamers are pretty resistant to the idea. We've already dived into HD and fully understand the benefits. But anyone who's seen J6P watch The Sopranos stretched out/zoomed on a 16:9 TV even though they've got a fucking 1080i cable box knows that an HD media format has a ways to go before it's accepted by the mainstream.
The Take Out Bandit
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quest said:
TELEVISIONS DO NOT BELONG IN AUTOMOBILES! >:O
Don't get me started on that shit, but that's not the point.
BR is the HD standard now, so if folks want HD media - then they've got to get BRD.
And I guess if you want fukkin' HD in their god damn mini-van you're going to have to buy a fukkin' HDTV for you god damn bimbo-box and make yourselves an even bigger fukkin' road hazard.
Can I mount 50 Caliber machine guns to my hood?
So I can get rid of the jackasses on phones and idiots watching TV while driving? PLZ?
Also, since I'm so awesome *gleams with radical* I didn't pay over $19.99 for any of my seasons of The Shield, SUCKAS!
MickeyKnox said:
So they are going to pay a car audio specialist several hundred dollars to replace the DVD unit in the mini van with a blu player? LMAO you kids man I swear come up with the craziest shit. Now if the first 2 layers of blu were DVD that new disc would work in the mini van and the home theature. That would get people to switch over very fast since they would lose nothing.
BenjaminBirdie
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MickeyKnox said:
You're kind of missing the key characteristic of that argument though. We're talking about the widespread proliferation of a sub 10" video display, this is the kind of thing that should make any HD media proliferator quake in their boots. Mainstream video consumption is no longer strictly about picture quality. If BR really brought a new feature set to the table it would have a better shot, but if people are fine watching movies on tiny Mini-Van screens or their iPods, they won't be in any hurry to completely repopulate their physical media libraries.
It's why something like Apple TV or XBLVM has a slight advantage. Think about how many Arcade games you buy because it's so fucking easy. Or a song off iTunes. Or that episode of It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia you missed. Embracing The Long Tail is the way to go for next (new?) gen media format.
The marketplace has roundly proved that image quality is not of paramount mainstream importance and, if that is indeed the case, then all these worries about download pipes are unfounded. For us niche consumers who care about that sort of thing, we'll have Blu-Ray, but your average Joe is going to be more than happy with 1000 pieces of 480i media on his 500gig WhateverBox to supplement his DVD collection.
MickeyKnox
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For better or worse, the "average consumer" only knows and does what the "big corporations" tell him. Up until now, said corporations were all distracted by this slap fight that they were all involved in regarding what they should tell the consumer to do, now that it's settled, they can start working the "average consumer" over.Tobor said:
Golden Darkness
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kaching said:
I figure though those people will want to stretch out their use of their DVD player before they have no choice but get a Blu-Ray player when releases they want are Blu-ray only.
But I think we are digressing here from the original topic.
I guess the real question is, does Nintendo feel the need yet for the space for a blue-laser based optical media offers?