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Calm your ass down. There's no need for name calling like that.
Not even remotely a good equivalency.
His point about EVs being overpriced and flawed in today's world is completely valid. And we haven't even touched the subject of how EVs perform on a track.
I posted they have potential several times did I not...
I am extremely sorry I don't find the numbers impressive aside from 0-60 which I don't care about.
I am not sure where I stated any progress on EV cars should be halted...
if I only could fully grasp electromagnetism I would be set
I just meant that you care in particular about one aspect of the speed band. 3.7 seconds 0-60 is great for any price point.
Looks like the thread made another wonderful turn...
Electric cars show promise. I am interested in trying out performance electric car. So far the only electric car I've driven is the Volt, which I liked, but a performance car it is not. The price on the Volt(and other electric cars) doesn't make sense yet, but if we only cared about the price making sense we wouldn't be in this thread. We would be putting around in our used Toyota Corollas and Geo Metros.
I like it. Apparently Chrysler is joining in the test drive fun at the Atlanta Auto Show, so I look forward to trying one out if I go.
Electric cars show promise. I am interested in trying out performance electric car. So far the only electric car I've driven is the Volt, which I liked, but a performance car it is not. The price on the Volt(and other electric cars) doesn't make sense yet, but if we only cared about the price making sense we wouldn't be in this thread. We would be putting around in our used Toyota Corollas and Geo Metros.
I like it. Apparently Chrysler is joining in the test drive fun at the Atlanta Auto Show, so I look forward to trying one out if I go.
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Guys. EVs are relatively new tech (at this level). The fact that they are competitive with traditional cars in any respect is amazing on its own.
There are currently a lot of downsides to EVs, but give em time.
How far along were internal combustion engines at this point in their development? Probably still getting spanked by horses.
There are currently a lot of downsides to EVs, but give em time.
How far along were internal combustion engines at this point in their development? Probably still getting spanked by horses.
Technically EVs have been around nearly as long as gasoline power cars. There were about as many (if not more) electric vehicles on the road 100 years ago as there are now. But yeah, they did see pretty much an 80 year hiatus in major developments. There was basically no development on them between, say WWI and when the GM EV1 came out.
David Incorporated Esq.
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The problem is that there's really no point to electric vehicles without seriously advanced batteries. Until battery tech is flying along EVs are going to remain a very limited niche vehicle.
That's it, end of story.
That's it, end of story.
goin HAM in here!
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Honestly, if someone gave me a Tesla Model X, I wouldn't say no. Bitches love falcon wing doors.
Agreed, I am very disappointed at where our battery technology is today. Especially the fact that we were leaders in it at one point (in USA) and we gave it up to China where only until recent years was there interest to improve batteries for EV's.
Although I think infrastructure can help ease the pains of limited range. I've read about inductive charging through concrete and I think that would be a very interesting way to increase long distance range by laying down highways with it. Although it is a pipe dream of mine I find it fascinating.
ClassyPenguin
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god, wing doors are such a terrible idea (engineering wise) and they look so corny.
And Tesla is not what I call the saving grace of electric cars. Give me something that is mass produced, reliable and can actually meet production deadlines They work in a similar pace to Valve.
Also, car makers should not be forced to make electric cars or hybrids. They should focus on making current models as efficient as possible especially on trucks, SUV's and the like. Taking a car that has 15 MPG and making it that much more efficient is more cost-effective than taking a 30MPG car to a 40 MPG car.
Autoblog drove the 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0t and 3.8 V6
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/21/2013-hyundai-genesis-coupe-3-8-and-2-0t/
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/21/2013-hyundai-genesis-coupe-3-8-and-2-0t/
I can't think of a better one than Autoblog. Zach, Dan, and Chris Shunk/Paukert are all great together.
Autoline After Hours can be good and they tend to focus on American makes but it is less car discussion and more auto industry in general. John McElroy, the host has been on Autoblog podcast several times. Definitely not as entertaining as AB podcast but John has been around the industry forever and is very insightful. He has Peter De Lorenzo on regularly who is like an older grumpier drier Dan.
http://www.autoline.tv/journal/?cat=1513
I am always looking for good automotive podcasts so I would love to be introduced to more.
edit: For daily auto videos you should check out Drive's YT channel http://www.youtube.com/drive
David Incorporated Esq.
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I'm curious, I guess, but I can't make myself care beyond that. Me hearing about Ferrari announcing a new car is akin to me hearing about higher computer processor speeds. Yep, it is now faster with more electric gadgets. Nope, still don't care.
They couldn't even find an exciting shot of the test-driver in the car. Just look at him here, sporting the "Hanging the arm on the door while checking the odometer to see how many more fucking miles he has to do for this test session" pose.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, Ferrari just hasn't done anything genuinely interesting in a while. I suppose my story would be different if I could afford them, but as an outside observer it's simply "Yep, I guess that car is faster than the last one."
David Incorporated Esq.
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I figured, but I don't really follow F1. Still, for a hype trailer you should probably show someone at least having an okay time driving the car.
That's all I listen to honestly they have pretty balanced views on cars. They won't review a econobox like a Camry and expect it to handle like a sports car.
I'd say no, but that's because I have a well-founded hatred for SUVs of any kind.
Ditto. My theory is that exotics are just as boring as econocheapies. It's not too easy to explain, but it goes something like this:
At the low end, all cars are pushed into a wedge of identicallity by economic realities. There are only so many ways to make something as cheap as possible, etc etc, so most econohobomobiles come out very similar in most ways (shape, features, materials, performance), although they always try to stand out with styling.
On the high end, all cars are pushed into a wedge of idenitcality by physical realities. There are only so many ways to make something to skirt the laws of physics as closely as possible etc etc, so most hypercars come out very similar in most ways (shape, features, materials, performance), although they always try to stand out with styling.
The middle segment ($25,000-100,000) is where the most diversity and fun exist. Part of that is like James May's insistence that crappier cars are more fun because their limits are more attainable, but part of that is also because when you don't have to work against either a constraining budget or the laws of physics, you can do some pretty spectacular things.
If you've played Forza - think of it as the B, C, and D class cars actually being the most fun to race in, and most varied.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Umm...what? Massa is using the door as leverage to have a better hold of the wheel. I do this all the time too - it's more comfortable. And he's clearly focusing on the apex of his turn - Massa is simply in the zone, and not bored, as you're implying. Relax.
I can't believe you seriously just harped on what it is, quite literally, an image that is 5/10ths of a second long. Unbelievable.
David Incorporated Esq.
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It was just a snarky little joke, don't get all riled up about it.
Does anyone like this sound?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY1HByUWkP0&list=LLbqr4U9dFIPAraQG08t6cnQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video
So, Ferrari hasn't done anything substantial in years, but Toyota's GT-86 is the equivalent of car Jesus?
Is this the part where we post articles and award upon award praising Ferraris?
David Incorporated Esq.
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Yeah, I guess that's one way to completely misinterpret what I said.
What I'm saying is that Ferrari hasn't done anything genuinely interesting in quite a while. When they put out a new car you already know what it's going to be without seeing it: MR (or FR if it's their GT line) with a high-revving engine and more electronic, go-fast gadgets than the outgoing model. Yes, I'm dumbing it down significantly, but it's like what N-Bomb said: "There are only so many ways to make something to skirt the laws of physics as closely as possible etc etc, so most hypercars come out very similar in most ways..."
It's why new-comers to the super-car market have to do it in outrageous ways. Look at Pagani; do they make a better car than the 458? Maybe? I guess the Zonda's a little faster than the 458 on this track but it's a little slower on that track. But when it arrived it was so outlandish that you just had to pay attention to it. That's what I'm saying Ferrari lacks.
On the same token: I'm a huge Porschephile but I'll be the first to say that they haven't really done anything interesting with the 911 since they switched to water-cooled engines. They just get faster each year with better gadgets. I'm always a little excited to see what they upgrade for the new model but ultimately I don't really care all that much because I already know what the results will be without knowing the methods.*
And say what you like about the 86, but you have to acknowledge that it's going in a different direction from current sports car trends and that makes it interesting to see.
* That may be the best way to put my argument. When you already know what the end result will be without having to know how they'll do it, that makes it less interesting. That's kind of what I like about the Alfa Romeo 8C, too; apparently not a great car to drive, just a beautiful brute.
Edit: Here's another example of an interesting car. The MP4-12C. The suspension setup was really something else and I loved digging around on the bare-chassis suspension walk-arounds that some sites did when it was first released.
No, that's the sound a school bus makes.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
What are you looking for out of a tire? Grip? Smoothness? Seasonal?
Not seasonal. Will just be ran in summer/fall/spring. Gripe and smoothness if there is such a thing. Dry grip most important. Doesn't have to be extremely smooth either. Advan AD08 were pretty harsh imo. RS-3 is a bit better. A bit more livable than those should be fine.
YuriLowell
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Have wanted to try those for a while, but as dumb as it sounds, I am turned off a bit by the weight. They have similar performance as the ad08 / RS-3, but are several pounds heavier. Doesn't make sense to drop a lot on light wheels if you are going to put the weight back on with tires.
shinshoryuken
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I envy other cars tire size flexibility....
255/40ZRF20 & 285/35ZRF20 tire size is so dayam limited.
255/40ZRF20 & 285/35ZRF20 tire size is so dayam limited.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Michelins are the epitome of grip and smoothness. I had Pilot Sports on my old 350Z - they were phenomenal tires. I hit some nasty, and I mean nasty meteorite NYC craters with them...not so much as a bubble. Most other wheels would've been cracked, but they couldn't even damage the tire.
Michelin is the true definition of a quality product. Check out reviews of the Michelin tire you want on Tire Rack. But the PS1 or PS2 get my vote.
Excellent,think I'll just go with those then. Hurry up wheels/spring.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I just looked up Michelin Pilot Super Sports! WHY THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE TO MENTION THIS TIRE!? I JUST BOUGHT A SET! I had no idea about them and how awesome they are.
Curse you! Curse you to your damned hell, heathen!
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...port Pkg&autoModClar=Built On Or After 6/2010
The 370 is getting a new set of shoes to wear!
Now to find it some sexy, lightweight, concaved socks.
I just looked up Michelin Pilot Super Sports! WHY THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE TO MENTION THIS TIRE!? I JUST BOUGHT A SET! I had no idea about them and how awesome they are.
Curse you! Curse you to your damned hell, heathen!
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...port Pkg&autoModClar=Built On Or After 6/2010
The 370 is getting a new set of shoes to wear!
Now to find it some sexy, lightweight, concaved socks.
Curse you and your way better looking selection of wheels. Least you can actually get wheels that are concave
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I'm excited to get rid of these Bridgestones, to be honest. Once I hit the 7000 mile barrier on them, the tire roar became even worse. These Michelins are not only quieter, but they're softer...and yet...handle better?
I love you, Michelin-man, for producing such products.
I love you, Michelin-man, for producing such products.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Holy shit! The 275s for the rear are 5lbs lighter than my Bridgestones - 32lbs vs 27lbs! That is a HUGE difference for driven wheels. Omg. I can't wait. OMG.
OMG!
OMG!
shinshoryuken
Member
wow reviews on the Michelin pilot super sport are impressive? how are they compare to toyo R888..
I kinda want to try dunlop all season run flats.
I kinda want to try dunlop all season run flats.
Why? For the stiff sidewall? Aren't run flats heavy as fuck?
shinshoryuken
Member
I'm running bridgestones potenza run flats summer tires, really loud but performers really well.
don't really mind the noise but the tire wear sucks...
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