This makes me sad. I was contemplating testing out a Focus ST.
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YuriLowell
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Cheap plastic interior rattles like crazy. FWD fighting me like crazy.
I don't mind a plastic interior, but I definitely prefer a more utilitarian approach when those kinds of materials are used. The less gaudy and intricate it is, the less stuff falls apart. One of the things I love about Subaru is they don't try to dress up their interiors.
Major bummer.
Major bummer.
chickdigger802
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One of the biggest turn off about focus st is the interior for me.
That cheap boost gauge looks like something off of buzz light year.
It is a fun ass car though.
That cheap boost gauge looks like something off of buzz light year.
It is a fun ass car though.
I'm with you on the DSG. I have a 2012 GTI and since I hadn't driven a manual since high school (over 10 years ago) I didn't feel like re-learning on a brand new car; I bought the DSG version instead and have loved every minute I'm in it. Sure there's a bit of a disconnect, but if I really want to feel a little more connected I just slap my stick into manual mode and play around that way.
I've only been on curvy roads once with her (from Phoenix to Flagstaff and back) but oh my lord was it fun. Definitely need to get around to doing that more now that I've owned it for just over a year. That being said, getting up to 100 on an extended on-ramp makes me giddy enough to forget how well she handles the curves.
I don't ever plan on getting rid of my GTI either. I got the 5-door version as a sort of "future-proofing" if I ever start a family.
chickdigger802
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weird ass nick cage commercial for some chinese car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CS9h8_tnlus
I want to be able to shift to 2 wheel drive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CS9h8_tnlus
I want to be able to shift to 2 wheel drive.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
That's the rebranded Saabs that the company bought all rights to.
YuriLowell
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The steering wheel also feels plastic.
I could see 300lbs of torque being fun, but that steering feel is so numb.
chickdigger802
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Doesn't seem too shabby. And this is what americans get!
I'm all for buttons... but shit...
chickdigger802
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instead of the radio, I'd prefer this:
Would rather have those over the useless speedo lol.
Focus st steering felt weird. It's electronic yes.,.. But I could slide it a bit. Never experienced that in a fwd car.
Wow, that's horrible. But I'd still rather have that than a goddamned touchscreen
yes it's horrible but it's much better then the touchscreen, imo. Plus it has that 80's japanese retro radio look.
chickdigger802
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Maybe I should snag a 13 frs then lol.
Brz doesn't even have a no touchscreen option
Brz doesn't even have a no touchscreen option
I wasn't aware Scions were in any way "cheap."
chickdigger802
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But they just announced that all 2014 scion cars will have some new scion infotainment system default, so it might not be due to costs.
well... the fr-s is their most expensive car at 25k.
Think the cheapest is iQ? Or something at like 14k.
Seems pretty cheap?
Maybe I should snag a 13 frs then lol.
Brz doesn't even have a no touchscreen option
Yes they do. Not sure about the US though. Talk to your dealer.
Edit:
Glad you and your wife are OK Alpha.
First off the Scion iq is 15.5k, for a total POS that you would have to be insane to purchase. Secondly, if you can buy an FR-S for $25k, I will give you $26k for it today.
Agreed. Love my DSG. I think my future cars would have to have the option. Just the ability to switch in and out of manual mode is worth it to me. Though I wouldn't mind a manual S2K or Miata.
Yeah, it's pretty fun. (From last friday - dunno if you mean @ crank or wheels... about 25% drivetrain loss w/ AWD)
Better tune should net me another 40-50 hp and likely a similar amount of torque. If I go up to 94 octane, I can probably squeeze out even more! Tempted! Probably going to get a downpipe and leave it at that for power mods.
At least it's double DIN and you can replace it easily with a single DIN unit and a cubby pocket.
chickdigger802
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no deal... because after tax it's like 27k
but yeah if you are near the southeast, World Toyota has like 3 fr-s's for msrp or near it.
http://www.worldtoyota.com/all-inventory/index.htm?search=fr-s
iQ's that bad? looks kinda cute! But not sure why you would get that instead of like a yaris .
no deal... because after tax it's like 27k
but yeah if you are near the southeast, World Toyota has like 3 fr-s's for msrp or near it.
http://www.worldtoyota.com/all-inventory/index.htm?search=fr-s
iQ's that bad? looks kinda cute! But not sure why you would get that instead of like a yaris .
If you thought a Yaris was too voluminous and cheap, you should get an IQ. Or if you thought the Smart car was too ostentatious.
I've been tempted by newer GTIs, and thought of going the 4-door route as well, for the same reasons as you. I was tempted quite recently by a white Autobahn. I think it looks great and I love the new wheels on it, but with the MK7 coming shortly and being on the new MQB platform with an additional 20-30 ponies it just didn't make much sense for me to get a MK6 right now. I'm kind of a mess when it comes to car selection atm .Part of me wants to get a sport coupe (370Z, G37, etc) and a winter beater, part of me wants a MK7 GTI, and part of me wants to get a Jeep Grand Cherokee since I absolutely love the new model. Though my gf may get a small sport ute like a CX-5 or the new Escape so I suppose that'd work for convenience sake and would make the Jeep a little redundant, household-wise.
A car I'd be sold on and wait for (or perhaps just preorder outright) immediately after announcement is a MK7 Golf R with closer to 300hp/tq and a DSG option.
PseudoKirby
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This is where you find one across the country, fly over, and have a cruise all the way back.
Thinking about getting a new (well new for me) car and need some input.
Requirements-
-Must look good. Sports coupe/gt looks, no boxy hatchbacks
-Must be able to sit 4 people relatively comfortably. I went to test drive an Audi tts and decided not to as soon as I tried out the back seats. Unless you have no head or are under 5 ft tall, you're not getting in the back.
-Must be relatively quick I.e. under 6 seconds to 60. I'm used to impulse power and don't think I can do without it now.
-must ride comfortably enough on bad roads. Unfortuantely, I am also used to a harsh ride and would no longer consider an out and out sports car without comfort settings whilst living in an area with roads that look like they've been plowed.
-no more than 40k miles
-approx budget of GBP 15000 although I can go a little higher if I found the right car.
I was thinking about a 6 series beemer or s5. Thoughts or other suggestions please!
Requirements-
-Must look good. Sports coupe/gt looks, no boxy hatchbacks
-Must be able to sit 4 people relatively comfortably. I went to test drive an Audi tts and decided not to as soon as I tried out the back seats. Unless you have no head or are under 5 ft tall, you're not getting in the back.
-Must be relatively quick I.e. under 6 seconds to 60. I'm used to impulse power and don't think I can do without it now.
-must ride comfortably enough on bad roads. Unfortuantely, I am also used to a harsh ride and would no longer consider an out and out sports car without comfort settings whilst living in an area with roads that look like they've been plowed.
-no more than 40k miles
-approx budget of GBP 15000 although I can go a little higher if I found the right car.
I was thinking about a 6 series beemer or s5. Thoughts or other suggestions please!
What dealers try to charge for it is irrelevant.
David Incorporated Esq.
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It's way too big for its own good and looks cheaper than it is. That's what happens when you try to put a bog standard radio in the same spot a touchscreen would go--without redesigning the space in the dash where it fits it looks empty and weird.
I'm probably going to end up doing that (and did it in the past with another car), but for something this old that still carries a premium I'd like to see it in person first. Having a PPI done at a shop by the car works, but it's just not the same as seeing it yourself and driving it.
It's irrelevant unless you wish to purchase one.
At which point I would say it was decidedly relevant, wouldn't you?
chickdigger802
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isn't that the whole deal with Scion though? for better or worse it's pretty much msrp you are paying for.
No, that's Saturn (who bizarrely stopped doing it, finally added a couple of decent cars, and promptly went out of business). Scions are often priced higher than MSRP - and in the case of the FR-S in particular, quite a LOT over MSRP. Dealers are allowed to charge whatever they want.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Buttons. Touchscreens are great for keeping your eyes off the road since the buttons move around between screens and aren't tactile.
PseudoKirby
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I am sure its a great time doing a trip like that. I would say find a city that has 3 or so fine examples and then fly over, get a hotel and make it an experience.
chickdigger802
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weird, kelly bluebook says fr-s's are sold at msrp. The dealers i've been to say they sell at msrp (+ w/e garbage they have on it).
The brz's here are like 1-2 grand over msrp.
Roude Leiw
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http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...re-willkommen-zur-grossen-s-show-7115589.html
live event for the reveal of the new s-class.
live event for the reveal of the new s-class.
You won't see a deviation on the MSRP for Scion 'til you get to the negotiation with the dealer. Scion can force advertising rates to lock at MSRP - but they can't compel individual dealers to maintain a price. Saturn dealers I believe (and someone can correct me) were part owned by GM.
YuriLowell
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Id wait another 2 years for a BRZ and get a used one for 7k less.
It's a beauty (though I don't like the shiny bits on the steering wheel):
more pics:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2014-mercedes-benz-s-class/#photo-5880515/
Finally back to a more elegant and conservative design. It doesn't look as radical as the current S-class.
chickdigger802
Banned
is the whole dash and center console thing one long ass lcd panel?
Two 12.3" TFT screens.
RukusProvider
Banned
That's a beautiful interior. Nice job Merc. First time I've seen an Audi interior get beat.
In a coule of years after I sell the C7 and I need a big boy car, I might have to pick up a used S class. I'm blown away by that interior.
In a coule of years after I sell the C7 and I need a big boy car, I might have to pick up a used S class. I'm blown away by that interior.
chickdigger802
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well... as long as it works fine in daylight.
I'm pretty much positive Saturn dealers were independently owned and operated. Saturn in general operated pretty independently from GM for a while.
Update on zee odd couple:
passed the 300 kilometer mark with both of them today.
Auris Hybrid: 40 liter tank still 3/4 full. Driving feels like a FWD Toyota with a CVT gearbox, a bit nervous and light on the steering, just as the one I test drove a couple months ago. steering reminds me of my old 1994 1.4 XLi Corolla.
GT 86: 50 liter tank at 1/4, going to reserve
What a difference. car feels planted and really low, heavy steering, GREAT gearbox, plain fun. Can't wait to kick it up to max RPM in a couple 100 kilometers.
passed the 300 kilometer mark with both of them today.
Auris Hybrid: 40 liter tank still 3/4 full. Driving feels like a FWD Toyota with a CVT gearbox, a bit nervous and light on the steering, just as the one I test drove a couple months ago.
steering reminds me of my old 1994 1.4 XLi Corolla.
GT 86: 50 liter tank at 1/4, going to reserve
What a difference. car feels planted and really low, heavy steering, GREAT gearbox, plain fun. Can't wait to kick it up to max RPM in a couple 100 kilometers.
BrokenEchelon
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