weekend_warrior
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Interesting size comparison of the MX-5, 86, Genesis and Mustang.
Oh wow, didn't realize the FT-86 was almost the same size as a Miata. Really not very practical at that size imo.
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Oh wow, didn't realize the FT-86 was almost the same size as a Miata. Really not very practical at that size imo.
My '86 Cadillac had digital climate control. I was looking at buying a '66 Cadillac that had heated seats. Instead, I bought an '89 Buick Riviera that has a touchscreen. The '89 Oldsmobile Toronado was supposed to have a nav system, but unfortunately it wasn't ready in time, so it just has a compass.
I'll give you Push To Start though, that came around much more recently.
IronFistedChampion
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Yeah but you can't compare interiors from a LUXURY manufacturer like Cadillac to Toyota whose cars don't even come standard with leather seats; it's not fair lol.
Viperbah
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It's an entry level sports car from Toyota, and I am ok with that. More of a resurrection of the MR2 than Supra.
I don't really like the styling from the pictures, but like most cars, I will make my judgement when seeing one in person.
Even though it will be slow, still should be a decently fun car to drive for a novice.
I don't really like the styling from the pictures, but like most cars, I will make my judgement when seeing one in person.
Even though it will be slow, still should be a decently fun car to drive for a novice.
Certainly not. Though I'm pretty sure they meant that the design seemed like a 15 year old car, not the equipment. The equipment is fine for the price point.
akachan ningen
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lol you were expecting this car to be practical?
Darth Pinche
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Here are some new sexy photos of the BRZ
David Incorporated Esq.
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At this point I'm getting the feeling that people saw all the hype about the 86 and started applying their own personal wish-lists to the car without ever considering what the car was actually going to be.
Lightweight? Oh shit, I bet it'll be lighter than a Miata!
Sportscar? Nice! 350hp turbo straight 6!
2+2? Awesome! Plenty of space for the whole family!
It looks so much better than the Toyota version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVc83nYV9I4&feature=feedu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVc83nYV9I4&feature=feedu
BoobPhysics101
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I like the front end of the BRZ but those tail-lights need to be all red-out, desperately. The 'Altezza' look is just so BAD on this car.
Oh, and turbo. This car needs turbo badly.
Oh, and turbo. This car needs turbo badly.
Except that Toyota originally targeted this car to be 2400lbs and a $20k MSRP. They've reneged on both. Not to mention that we saw a BRZ concept a couple of months back with a STi badge and it still had the same weak engine. We didn't apply any wish-lists on this car that Toyota wasn't throwing out there.
Why they didn't drop a small turbo on this and gone with 220/220 power rating, I do not know.
AlphaSnake
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Can photoshoppers tint out those nasty taillights and drop the car (like the other shops)? Curious to see what they'd look like darkened out.
AlphaSnake
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That 2679lb weight may be dry weight too...meaning after all fluids are topped off (including gasoline) we may be looking at a car that'll weigh 2850lbs total.
You are way too big a fan of the 3.0tfsi. Better than the 4.2 obviously but come on...
They need to just be color matched to the car. Dumbest / ugliest spot to put those.
Yeah, this car will be a dog. Didn't a Toyota rep say this car went way over budget? I'm starting to think this thing will have a $28k price tag with options, maybe even $30k loaded. What a mess this turned out to be.
It's supposed to be a "limited production car" according to them, so yes, it will sell out. Like I said though, this car was designed for "enthusiasts". And I can't recall this Toyota guys name but he seemed passionate about cars, and how he personally was making sure every detail would be for enthusiasts in mind, and to give life into the bland Toyota nameplate. If he is really passionate like he's acting, then him and his teams will be upset. But hey, they screwed this up themselves, so too bad. Unfortunately Toyota will remain an irrelevant brand to enthusiasts. And I don't care if we're a small market, these companies partially rely on us to make hype for their brand, and they're not getting it from me.
I really think some of you forget the AE86 was aimed at the S12/200SX. Not the 300ZX.
Honestly, the AE86 holds a special spot for me because it's the car that got me into cars. It was the first car I drove stickshift on, and it was the first car I went drifting in.
My high school friend owned one when I was 16 and he was my ride to school for a year.
Heres a picture of it actually...
and this is how i first remember it
Last I heard, he had a s14 but sold it to restore another corolla.
Honestly, the AE86 holds a special spot for me because it's the car that got me into cars. It was the first car I drove stickshift on, and it was the first car I went drifting in.
My high school friend owned one when I was 16 and he was my ride to school for a year.
Heres a picture of it actually...
and this is how i first remember it
Last I heard, he had a s14 but sold it to restore another corolla.
BoobPhysics101
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Interesting to see, but fuck buying German right now. Poor resale, overpriced, reliability is at some of the lowest points it's ever been for Audi/BMW/Merc... bleh. I've lost my luster for German cars, they just aren't bang for the buck.
Give me small, lightweight RWD cars that have aftermarket support and reliability and are fun to drive. I remember when everyone thought the 135i/1M would be 3000 lbs or under... What a shame.
<--- and yes, I'm bitter. The only RWD, somewhat 'light' sports coupe that is pushing my buttons lately is the 370z. Hyundai really needs to revamp the Genesis coupe with a better 2.0T variant and a V8 Genesis coupe AND revised suspension. That would be closer to what the FT86 should've been.
That was a great car for it's time, and I got to drive one when I was 16 and loved it. Thus my dismay for the new 86, as I have a feeling it's going to be flubbed, and worse, not have the magic the original had.
goddamn dudes, the new 86 is a successor to the old 86, an entry level fun car.
it was never the intent to build a world beating sports car. not sure how people were expecting supra levels from this thing. i understand that we
are all grown up and can afford stuff now. but this seriously a case of port begging. they built the lfa for you.
i, for one, really can't believe they kept the 86 in the finalized name. when has the model code made into production name anyway? sure the 86 has a cult following, but it's kinda ballsy to apply.
along with the reverence held for the original, for how long this car has been brewing, it has all sorts of chances to disappoint, even for its niche.
it was never the intent to build a world beating sports car. not sure how people were expecting supra levels from this thing. i understand that we
rich gaf
i, for one, really can't believe they kept the 86 in the finalized name. when has the model code made into production name anyway? sure the 86 has a cult following, but it's kinda ballsy to apply.
along with the reverence held for the original, for how long this car has been brewing, it has all sorts of chances to disappoint, even for its niche.
So the Jetta went in for service yesterday, just an oil change, and a look at where the source of a small oil leak is.
When my Dad brought it in, he also asked to get all of the car inspected (point by point or whatever it's called), because for God knows why we didn't have that done closer to when we bought it.
It was a fucking blood bath. Two pages full of shit wrong with the car. I couldn't believe it, I'm really not happy about it either.
The biggest issue that I saw was that the previous owner who did all the mods to the car installed some piece of shit coilovers that aren't holding anything up, not supporting or softening the ride AT ALL. So now I'm looking at good Coilovers which are gonna cost like 1000 bucks.
And then there's everything else which is just going to add on to the costs. Fuck....
When my Dad brought it in, he also asked to get all of the car inspected (point by point or whatever it's called), because for God knows why we didn't have that done closer to when we bought it.
It was a fucking blood bath. Two pages full of shit wrong with the car. I couldn't believe it, I'm really not happy about it either.
The biggest issue that I saw was that the previous owner who did all the mods to the car installed some piece of shit coilovers that aren't holding anything up, not supporting or softening the ride AT ALL. So now I'm looking at good Coilovers which are gonna cost like 1000 bucks.
And then there's everything else which is just going to add on to the costs. Fuck....
BoobPhysics101
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1. It's a VW.
2. Get a second opinion. it's a stealership.
3. what do you expect when you buy cars from idiots? They do stupid stuff to them.
4. Dont blow $1k on coilovers for an econobox like that. Just buy Koni Yellows and use stock springs. Koni Yellows are some of the best aftermarket shocks around.
PjotrStroganov
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Give it different wheels and drop it and I think I'd prefer the 86 to the BRZ. It has a more aggressive front and less tacky rear side panels. They do look extremely similar though.
Dreams-Visions
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depends on your priorities.
1.) In a hurry? Want to save several thousand dollars? Get a 2011 or 2012.
2.) Have a perfectly fine car? Can wait 12 more months? Get a 2013.
Of course, if neither option appeals to you, you might want to look elsewhere entirely.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
You are way too big a fan of the 3.0tfsi. Better than the 4.2 obviously but come on...
They need to just be color matched to the car. Dumbest / ugliest spot to put those.
Actually, I wasn't a big fan of the 3.0 when it first debuted. I test drove the 2009 A6 a while back and wasn't terribly impressed - the power fell flat past 5500RPM or so. The revised one in the 2012 A6 is definitely improved, stronger, and holds power longer. It's a great motor, plus it's a beast with a tune.
The only reason you are wrong about how awesome the A6 is, is because the A7 exists. I want that car so bad. Plan is to buiy the "stock" A7, get it painted matte black, on anthracite black rims, appropriately sized. I never understood why people would buy a luxury car and then trash the ride by putting mental shoes on it. 20-30% tint. Black lace doilies on the back seat headrests.*
My plan is almost complete. Actually the only thing I am waiting on is for my lottery numbers to come up.
*VIP style.
Dreams-Visions
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Aw man...the coupe is nice. :-(
I'll give it a look, but damn...I was really hoping to avoid a sedan this time around.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The A7 is absolutely gorgeous. But it's a 4-seater...with the same interior as the A6. Yet it costs $15K more. :\
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The Benz has neither the interior quality, nor the aesthetics of the Audi. Its steering wheel is an atrocity of ugly bug-like buttons. Tons of cheap plastics. Rear legroom that is barely passable for a midsize. Ride quality that is total shit compared to the Audi and Bimmer; bordering the firmness of the Infiniti, and in some cases exceeding it. There's a motor that feels like its gasping for air, despite its 306HP rating (don't even get me started on last year's 265HP motor).
Honestly, the only reason people even get E-Class Benz's is because they lease cheaper than the comparable BMW and Audi.
Also much less headroom. I am a short Asian guy about 5'3"-4" and I only have 2-3 inches of headroom in that.
Despite how sexy it looks I prefer to look at it from outside and I would stick with an A6 which I find awesome looking enough. Also the $15K I would have spent on an upgrade to the S6 anyway.
I'm at least glad to see the FT86 is a small car. The tendency has been to Super Size every new model, in part due to safety regs, and it's good that Toyota is making something on the proper side of 3000 lbs. again. In 1995 my Celica hatchback was 2415 lbs. and got 34 mpg on the highway. I hope next they make a proper Camry like the late '80s indestructible models.
I was looking at used S8's for a garage queen the other day. #drool
Dreams-Visions
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AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
A garage queen for sure, you'll never drive it...the maintenance on those old V10s could fund a civil war. They were fun motors, but not reliable at all.
Yeah, I was reading about that. SMH.
Don't know where your from but here in Aus European cars have some of the best resale vale, as for reliability it depends on the car i suppose, becuase we have 3 VWs in the family (GTI, Jetta TDI and Transporter Ute) all have been rock solid for 4+ years. Then again we don't service our cars at dealerships, which have the tendency to wait for a problem to occur then fix it before anything happens. I will agree about being overpriced, but imo thats down the whole 'european' cliché.
1. Yeah, I knew it was inevitable, owning a European car and all.
2. The second we got the car back we began looking for a speed shop to take it to, so we're way ahead of you. No way I'd take a dealerships word for it. Although, generally these guys are really good. The mechanic explaining it wasn't much older than me (20-something) and seemed to know his stuff, and had some aftermarket parts on his GTI he was comparing them to.
3. Actually, from what I can tell, the guy wasn't really an idiot. We bought it from a small used car dealer who got it from an auction (I'm guessing it was a repo), and it looks like it was taken care of really well. He did do a pretty good amount of stuff to it (headlights, taillights, blacked out rear logos, new front grill, coilovers, exhaust), but he kept it tasteful. Being told that he cheaped out on the coilovers really surprised me, the rest of what he did was high quality. Instead of slapping a fart can on, for instance, he went out and bought an entire AWE catback system, which is pretty pricey.
4. I was hoping to get some advice like this. It appears these are the Koni VW MKV Coilovers, but I couldn't actually find them on the Koni site. The Koni Yellows look like a totally different thing (no spring?), so how does one replace the other? I really barely know anything about this kind of thing, so I could use some help. Bear with me if you can:
So basically, coilovers are essentially an entire new suspension, correct? They replace the...shocks(?) of the car? I don't understand how they differ from stock shock absorbers, from what I've seen, they look the same as a normal suspension. I'm so confused...
tycoonheart
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I just bought a 2012 A4 couple of weeks ago (fantastic car, btw) and the new A7s and A8s that were at the dealership were absolutely beautiful. Would love to own one of those in the future.
DING DING DING
This man gets it.
Its funny seeing people compare this to the 370z when the 370z itself was overpriced.
the_log_ride
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I just wish this 86 successor came in closer to the 20K mark. Still, I'm curious to test how it drives.
BoobPhysics101
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Coilovers are basically a whole new spring-on-shock system, they replace both your stock springs and shocks. Koni Yellows are just the shocks and you put your stock springs on them, essentially making them coilovers but with stock springs/spring rates.
It's like a computer: just because the case outside looks similar does not tell you the quality of what's inside. All shocks are NOT made equally. IMO the best made shocks are European in terms of performance/quality/comfort: Koni, Bilstein, and KW make some of the best suspension you can buy while also being incredibly comfortable and reliable. I am not a fan of cheap 'JDM' suspension or over the counter junk usually sold at autoparts stores (Monroe, et al.)
It's different here in America.
ClassyPenguin
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That 20K mark was a pipe dream. There is no way such a car is going to be less than $23K.
especially in this day and age, we will never get another AE86 because of the safety standards today required by the government.
I think you will definitely but much safer in a GT86 over an AE86 at least.
the_log_ride
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I'd take a stripped down version with no amenities.
ClassyPenguin
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If they follow other companies, the bare bones one will cost about $5-10K's more just because.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP3SR1m_aRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP3SR1m_aRY
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