all i can suggest is using a notepad while you do your Wanikani. that's all RTK suggests anyway, the dude wrote it in 1970 something or other, i just wrote the kanji as i learned them on the textbook pages lol.
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all i can suggest is using a notepad while you do your Wanikani. that's all RTK suggests anyway, the dude wrote it in 1970 something or other, i just wrote the kanji as i learned them on the textbook pages lol.
Porcile
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Actually, I think I can probably repurpose Anki for doing something like that. That would break Wanikani's SRS but it gets broken the minute you start reading actual Japanese anyway so ¯\_(ツ
_/¯.stump sock
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that's all I do. but at the same time I'm not super worried about memorizing how to write kanji apart from stroke orders. I'll almost never need to handwrite them.
I enjoy it too. And since I'm learning Japanese as a hobby it's all about having fun. Being able to reproduce these intricate characters with a pen just feels awesome to me.
I wouldn't feel complete if I couldn't write it either. heh.
I, too, would like some advice. I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that I've taken Japanese classes before, but... gosh I barely remember any of it until reminded. I definitely don't remember more than like five kanji and maybe a few dozen vocab off the top of my head.
Any recommendations on where I should start?
That WaniKani thing seems maybe interesting, for learning to read/write, anyway. (I'm like other people have mentioned in this thread and I do enjoy the act of writing in Japanese, so I'd definitely use it with that in mind.) But that doesn't really help with speaking.
I found an old copy of Rosetta Stone for Japanese that my grandma bought me years and years ago. I never used it. I'm assuming it's outdated by now? Is it even good for learning languages in the first place? I've heard mixed things...
I'm rambling again.
Please help!!
Any recommendations on where I should start?
That WaniKani thing seems maybe interesting, for learning to read/write, anyway. (I'm like other people have mentioned in this thread and I do enjoy the act of writing in Japanese, so I'd definitely use it with that in mind.) But that doesn't really help with speaking.
I found an old copy of Rosetta Stone for Japanese that my grandma bought me years and years ago. I never used it. I'm assuming it's outdated by now? Is it even good for learning languages in the first place? I've heard mixed things...
I'm rambling again.
Please help!!
I feel ya. Interpreting classes at my college were set up pretty much the same way: take a test, then if you're accepted you do the classes. Towards the end we would do N2 exercises for people who wanted to take it. The classes were so difficult, but in fairness, they were harder than N2. You'll be fine if it's N2. YOU CAN DO IT!
Well, I've started studying for N2 a month ago so I already have a good base, just have to stay focused. It's kinda fucked up though cause they only told us what the test would be like 5 days ago, and I'm pretty sure some people didn't imagine that they'd have to learn some N2 stuff for this. Moreover all the classes this semester are about preparing us for N2 sooooo... Guess they really want to start with a strong group right off the bat for Interpreting.
Oh well, がんばるぞ！
Oh well, がんばるぞ！
Übersandvich
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I have been fast-tracking my reading, so I have just been using RTK for the reading part. The slight problem is that I tend to generalise or forget parts of the story more often and confuse kanji with others that are similar, but it's not enough of a problem to offset the amount of time it would take to learn to write them. I get the feeling I am going to have debts to pay in the writing department if I ever decide to live in japan for a prolonged amount of time (I have not been yet, hoping to go for a holiday next year), since I also forgot how to write hiragana and katakana years ago.
Also, does anyone know a good way to get the most common reading of a word in kanji? I am reading visual novels with JParser, and sometimes a word can be read in two or three different ways . For example　半日 can be read as 'はんにち and 'はんじつ.
Übersandvich;179656618 said:
Some dictionaries will put multiple readings in order from most common reading to least common. Apart from that, what I find helps is just learning vocabulary that contain that kanji. Once you've learned a few vocab words that use it, you'll generally have a decent understanding of how it's read.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
How would you express the notion that you desire to see someone get into something, like being cast in a game or movie?
Like "Mario for Smash Brothers!" for instance. Would you use 含める? Hazarding a guess with my limited grammar knowledge, something like マリオはスッマシュブラズースに含めろ。"As for Mario, include him in Smash Brothers."
I want to write a Miiverse drawing to an actor I discovered is on Mario Maker.
Like "Mario for Smash Brothers!" for instance. Would you use 含める? Hazarding a guess with my limited grammar knowledge, something like マリオはスッマシュブラズースに含めろ。"As for Mario, include him in Smash Brothers."
I want to write a Miiverse drawing to an actor I discovered is on Mario Maker.
How would you express the notion that you desire to see someone get into something, like being cast in a game or movie?
Like "Mario for Smash Brothers!" for instance. Would you use 含める? Hazarding a guess with my limited grammar knowledge, something like マリオはスッマシュブラズースに含めろ。"As for Mario, include him in Smash Brothers."
I want to write a Miiverse drawing to an actor I discovered is on Mario Maker.
マリオは大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズの中を見たいです！
Keep it simple tends to work for me. Trying to make complicated sentences using unknown verbs was a common trap I fell into when I started having more conversations but it lead to ppl looking at me funny because I was trying too hard. Use the tools you have early because they are usually best to get simple messages across. Then as you learn more you can start writing more complicated sentences.
含める isn't the verb you were looking for.
含める to instruct, to include (ie including adult males), to make one understand
見る to see
X の中 inside, among X
ます形 + たいです desire, want to
How would you express the notion that you desire to see someone get into something, like being cast in a game or movie?
Like "Mario for Smash Brothers!" for instance. Would you use 含める? Hazarding a guess with my limited grammar knowledge, something like マリオはスッマシュブラズースに含めろ。"As for Mario, include him in Smash Brothers."
I want to write a Miiverse drawing to an actor I discovered is on Mario Maker.
Just say, "Decade was a mistake. It's nothing but trash."
Screwed up the Kamen Rider schedule forever!Maybe...　マリオはスッマシュブラズースを見えたいんです。　I'm really weak at making sentence though, so it's probably wrong and not sure if it needs an　いる　either. Maybe で instead of は. Listen to others and not me. lol
Just say, "Decade was a mistake. It's nothing but trash."
Maybe...　マリオはスッマシュブラズースを見えたいんです。　I'm really weak at making sentence though, so it's probably wrong and not sure if it needs an　いる　either.
見えたい I don't think would work because 見える is dictionary form, and means "to be seen/to be in sight". You can add いんです if you wanna make it sound more casual. You don't need いる anywhere because there is no continuous action happening, unless you're always looking at and wanting to see Mario in Smash Bros.
AmethystEnd
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How would you express the notion that you desire to see someone get into something, like being cast in a game or movie?
Like "Mario for Smash Brothers!" for instance. Would you use 含める? Hazarding a guess with my limited grammar knowledge, something like マリオはスッマシュブラズースに含めろ。"As for Mario, include him in Smash Brothers."
I want to write a Miiverse drawing to an actor I discovered is on Mario Maker.
This is a bit off. This sentence translates to "Mario wants to see inside Super Smash Brothers."
「マリオは」 being your subject, and 「大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズの中」being the direct object of your 「を」 particle.
"I want to see Mario in Super Smash Brothers," would be something like:
[私は]スマブラにマリオを見たいです。
The 「に」particle functions as "in" for this case, and 「スマブラ」being the commonly accepted abbreviation for Smash Brothers in Japan. The [私は] can be omitted.
I thought it might have been a "result of a change", but that's good to know.
then you get schooled like that with a rookie error on sentence subjects and particles
then you get schooled like that with a rookie error on sentence subjects and particles
に slipped my mind too.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Huh, I felt I was confident to construct a basic sentence but now I'm sort of confused...
So, "たいです" replacing the masu-stem indicated desire? Neat, hadn't encountered that yet. How is 中 read in this case? なか?
So, since it's to Masahiro Inoue aka Kamen Rider Decade, guess I'll go with DCDはスマブラの中を見たいです！Went with the abbreviations since I'll be drawing this since I don't think US Miiverse has Japanese support, and I wanna save space.
I wonder though what the Japanese typically use when requesting characters...
So, "たいです" replacing the masu-stem indicated desire? Neat, hadn't encountered that yet. How is 中 read in this case? なか?
So, since it's to Masahiro Inoue aka Kamen Rider Decade, guess I'll go with DCDはスマブラの中を見たいです！Went with the abbreviations since I'll be drawing this since I don't think US Miiverse has Japanese support, and I wanna save space.
I wonder though what the Japanese typically use when requesting characters...
AmethystEnd
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-たいです expresses "want", yes. So 食べたいです is "I want to eat." 寝たいです is "I want to sleep."
If you don't want to just say "I want to see <character> in Smash Brothers."
「スマブラに<キャラ>を見たいです。」
You could instead say something like 「<キャラ>はスマブラに出るといいですね。」
"It would be great if <character> appeared in Smash Brothers."
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Whoa, whoa, slow down. You had the particles right in your first attempt；it should be 「スマブラに」not「を」. And you don't need 「の中」.
Ex:
DCDをスマブラに見たいです。
or スマブラにDCDを見たいです。
Note, I changed the 「は」 to an 「を」. 　I had it right in the Mario example but I got a bit confused with all these edits I'm doing.
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In response to this part:
I've found you a couple examples:
Safe for work, don't worry:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=44232108
Third comment down:
The person is saying Ice Climber-chan is cute, and that it would be great if she appeared in Smash Brothers.
And this tweet:
https://twitter.com/ashi_4589/statuses/435182322363551744
The person is saying it would be great if a character named "Kuromu" appeared in Smash Brothers.
Note: I'm not saying this is the only grammatically correct way to request characters in something; it's just a commonly used one.
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Even before the error, I would recommend against directly translating idioms and other turns of phrases from English ("want to see xxx in yyy") into Japanese. That rarely works out to convey what you intended.
so クロムさんスマブラに出るといいな would be best?
i'm still at the stage of turning ENG into JPN so forgive me
AmethystEnd
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大丈夫、日本人は大体分かる。
(よく「大体分かる」と聞く」www )
私もです。先生が「一応日本語の先生なので、言いたい事が大体分かっている」とよく言います。まあ、私がんばります。orz.
AmethystEnd
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説明するのはかなり難しいので、英語で書きます。
一応is one of those terms that is hard to define in English because the meaning changes based on context.
The way my teacher said it, I took it to mean "Well, I'm a Japanese teacher to some extent (because he's a grad student) so I get what you mean."
But 一応 can also mean "Just in case."
Ex: 一応確認しておきます。　I will check just in case.
It has a few other uses too.
TheSporkWithin
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一応というのは、中途半端の感じがあります。話の主語はなんとかの質があると言えるけど、厳密に言うとその表現を使いたくない場合で使います。英語の「more or less」と「sort of」と同じようにあります。例えば「僕は一応先生です」「彼は一応友達ですが
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Apologies if that's badly worded. My intent is below in English.
Apologies if that's badly worded. My intent is below in English.
一応 has a feeling of being half-cocked or unprepared. You use it when the subject could be said to have a certain quality, but, strictly speaking, you don't really want to use that description. It's functionally equivalent to "more or less" or "sort of" in English. For example, "I'm more or less a teacher." "He's sort of a friend, but..."
So it's purely for use with nouns then? I couldn't say 一応分かる？
Also your explanation had more stuff I didn't understand at first glance in there, lol. TY riakun. I'll add it to my grammar flashcards later
ありがとうございます～
Also your explanation had more stuff I didn't understand at first glance in there, lol. TY riakun. I'll add it to my grammar flashcards later
ありがとうございます～
AmethystEnd
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いいえ、分かりやすいです。ありがとうございます。
Not necessarily, like in the 「一応確認する」 example where 一応 can be understood as "just in case" instead of the "more or less"/"sort of" form Spork is talking about.
TheSporkWithin
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No, you can. It's an adverb. In the examples given, the verb being modified was "to be" (which, in Japanese, isn't always included in the sentence, which can make it look like it's modifying a noun). That's why it doesn't take a な or の particle, it just goes right up against things.
EDIT: if using it with a verb like わかる it has a pretty low-level of confidence. 大体分かる would be "okay, I think I understand most of that" while 一応分かる would be more like "uhhhhh.... I think I get it..."
I often see it used with potential form, when being humble. 一応利用理できます (Oh, I can sort of cook a little...) 一応日本語をしゃべます　(Hmm, I can speak a bit of Japanese)
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No need for forgiveness! Just something worth watching out for. This probably applies to any language, but in general, only the most basic expressions are safe for direct translation without sounding odd. Any kind of idiom or turn of phrase will often have most of its meaning lost in translation.
Something like クロムさんがスマブラに出るといいな would be fine.
Here's another option that's more of a direct request to the developers:
クロムさんをスマブラに出してほしい
一応 has a wide variety of uses, so take this as just one example, but as you probably know, Japan does not have a culture that (in general) values or appreciates directness or boasting about oneself. By adding an 一応 to that sentence, the teacher was able to soften how confident he appeared about being a Japanese teacher (and his abilities). It adds a bit of ambiguity to the statement.
AmethystEnd
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My favorite example is:
"勉強しましたか？" (Did you study?)
"一応ね。" (Sort of.)
"勉強しましたか？" (Did you study?)
"一応ね。" (Sort of.)
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
In retrospect...ouch, haha. That's Chrom, the Fire Emblem dude, who has basically become a running joke now for NOT getting into Smash.
Thanks for all the help! When I have time I'll Miiverse Inoue-san!
KanameYuuki
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Something that I find really funny is that my handwriting really sucks, I mean, I'm not even able to read my own writings in spanish or english lol, but with hiragana and katakana it actually looks decent. The few kanjis I tried to write down look like crap though.
I just started learning about particles and it sounds so easy to confuse them all.
I just started learning about particles and it sounds so easy to confuse them all.
A lot of people in Japan don't have great handwriting. It's just about being legible. For that matter, most people in all languages don't have great handwriting.
That's actually pretty common. Writing in your own language doesn't require nearly as much care or attention, as you learned it intuitively over years. When you're working with a new language you tend to be much more careful with all the details, and thus, you write more legibly -- I'm the same way. My Japanese looks decent, but my native languages look shit.
As for particles, I think most people struggle with when to use は or が, as well as when to use で or に. On a basic level, they're pretty easy to learn, but the more you study, the more usages you realize they have, and they suddenly become a lot more complex than you intended. It's all just a matter of practice though.
Hey guys. Recently I've started reading lyrics to random songs for vocabulary and general practice, and I was wondering if someone could help me understand the following:
"迷惑はかけるモノでしょ？" is translated as "Trouble is what you make, right?"
http://www.jpopasia.com/lyrics/42251/scandal/pride.html
I think I understand the grammar of the sentence, but what is "モノ" (does it have to do with "モノクロ"?) and how is the "けるモノ" part translated?
"迷惑はかけるモノでしょ？" is translated as "Trouble is what you make, right?"
http://www.jpopasia.com/lyrics/42251/scandal/pride.html
I think I understand the grammar of the sentence, but what is "モノ" (does it have to do with "モノクロ"?) and how is the "けるモノ" part translated?
迷惑をかける means along the lines of: "to cause trouble for someone, to inconvenience, to annoy etc.
"Trouble is something you cause, right?" or something like that.
stump sock
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I don't think I've ever heard ぜひ (as "please" or "certainly") used outside of informal speech. is it actually informal or is it just coincidental as to how I've encountered it?
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks a lot!
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