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The Bitter Tears Of The American Christian Super Majority - Aljazeera Opinion Article

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kurbaan

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The most persecuted minority in the United States is not Muslims, African-Americans or immigrants. It’s our Christian supermajority that’s truly oppressed.

Verily, consider three anecdotes from the past few weeks.

On March 2, three Baptist ministers in Akron, Ohio, arranged for the local police to mock-arrest them in their churches and haul them away in handcuffs for the simple act of preaching their faith. A video was posted on YouTube to drum up buzz for an upcoming revival show. A few atheist blogs object to uniformed police taking part in a church publicity stunt, but far more people who saw the YouTube video (24,082 views), in Ohio and elsewhere, took this media stunt as reality — confirmation of their wildest fears about a government clampdown on Christianity.

On Feb. 26, Arizona’s conservative Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill that would have allowed businesses to refuse services to people who violate their sincerely held religious beliefs — for example, gays and lesbians. Fox News pundit Todd Starnes tweeted that Christians have been demoted to second-class citizenship in Arizona, an opinion widely shared on the right-wing Christian blogosphere, which sees Brewer’s veto as a harbinger of even greater persecution to come.

And the feature film “Persecuted,” a political thriller about a federal government plan to censor Christianity in the name of liberalism, is due out in May. Featuring former Sen. Fred Thompson and Fox News host Gretchen Carlson, the movie received a rapturous reception at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference on March 10 and is of a piece with other Christian films such as “God’s Not Dead,” about a freshman believer bullied into proving the existence of god by an atheist professor.


Far from reality

Needless to say (or maybe not) this news ticker of persecuted American Christians floats far and free from reality. More than 75 percent of the United States identifies as Christian; 57 percent believe in the devil, and nearly 8 in 10 Americans believe the Bible to be either the “inspired word” or literal word of God. Despite the constitutional separation of church and state, the government began under President George W. Bush to outsource social welfare programs to faith-based organizations (more than 98 percent, according to one 2006 study, of them Christian churches), and schools with religious ties (mostly Christian) in several states are now well fed by direct public subsidies. But then, American places of worship (again, most of them Christian) have long enjoyed a de facto public subsidy as tax-exempt 501(c)3 organizations funded by tax-deductible contributions. Last month President Barack Obama himself held forth at National Prayer Breakfast about the importance of Jesus in his life.

To be sure, there are Christians in the world who face persecution, from Copts in Egypt to Catholics in northern Nigeria. But in the U.S., the Christian faith and its institutions have never been more pampered by the state.

And yet the persecution complex of American Christianity blares its sirens, well beyond the surly hype about a “war on Christmas” that has become as much a part of the yuletide season as eggnog. Take the Catholic bishop of Peoria, Ill., Daniel R. Jenky, sermonizing in 2012 against the Affordable Care Act, blasting it as of a piece with governments that “have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide within the confines of their churches,” not skimping on comparisons to Stalinism and Nazism. Texas Gov. Rick Perry asserted that “Satan is attacking the great institutions of America” and vowed to “end Obama’s war on religion” during his 2012 presidential campaign. Another former presidential candidate, Mitt Romney also accused Obama of waging a war on religion. Right-wing Christians have even had the gall to conscript anti-Nazi Protestant martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer to their cause, comparing his persecution to their hysterical simulacrum.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/3/christians-persecutioncomplex.html


Interesting article. I didn't post the whole thing just the first part of it. Interesting read. Really LOL at those fake arrests and along with that recent thread about the muslim cemetery defiantly seems like there is some truth to this.
 

Ourobolus

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More than 75 percent of the United States identifies as Christian; 57 percent believe in the devil, and nearly 8 in 10 Americans believe the Bible to be either the “inspired word” or literal word of God.
How does that math work? 75 say they are Christian, yet 80% believe the Bible to be true? What's the extra 5%?
 
Featuring former Sen. Fred Thompson and Fox News host Gretchen Carlson, the movie received a rapturous reception at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference

Can't...stop...laughing...
 

siddhu33

Member
You cannot be serious...these people think they're persecuted, just because they couldn't be the pricks to muslims, gays, or minorities that they used to be? Sigh...

How does that math work? 75 say they are Christian, yet 80% believe the Bible to be true? What's the extra 5%?

Nearly 8 in 10. 75% does round up to 80, so just about legit...
 

Ourobolus

Banned
You cannot be serious...these people think they're persecuted, just because they couldn't be the pricks to muslims, gays, or minorities that they used to be? Sigh...



Nearly 8 in 10. 75% does round up to 80, so just about legit...
I guess so. Just seems weird to split the statistic like that.
 

Mariolee

Member
Being victimized isn't an exclusively Christian thing. It's a human thing. So of course I'm not surprised by this. This is like the default version of people.

I would like to see a film with the premise of Persecuted that took place in areas where Christians are actually persecuted and more often-than-not violently so, and was more realistic. I mean, DAT PREMISE for Persecuted is pretty insane.
 

Bladenic

Member
Reminds me of a "friend" on Facebook who recently posted a status about how Christians are the ones who need to stop being persecuted. I threw up just reading it.
 

Gotchaye

Member
I don't think they would much care to prop up a bunch of brown-ass Christians being hacked to death and having their homes burned down. They'd rather convince themselves that Kevin Sorbo is believable as a college professor.

IME these are a pretty popular talking point, actually. These people often have some racist views, but with respect to brown Christians outside of the US it's a very "white man's burden" sort of racism. Many conservative Christian groups are extremely active in trying to convert Africans and are keen on moving policy in a "biblical" direction in various foreign countries (see Uganda's "kill the gays" law). There's some team identification with persecuted Christians in other countries, and I imagine that there's some appeal in vicariously experiencing really dangerous persecution of the sort that many in the US can only fantasize about (and wow do they fantasize about it).

It should really be stressed that this is a minority of American Christians. I think it's a little misleading to point to a Christian supermajority to try to show that the people who feel persecuted must be wrong - the people who feel persecuted do tend to be rather different than other Christians. But of course it's still true that this conservative Christian persecution complex is ridiculous, and they're just mad that they can't force people to live the way they want them to.

Edit: Moreover, the ones who feel persecuted agree that the Christian supermajority isn't persecuted. Of course, they don't think this supermajority is really Christian. Part of the problem, as they see it, is that basically every Christian to the left of Pat Robertson is merely "Christian". The majority of "Christians" in the country are on the side of the persecutors.
 
Being victimized isn't an exclusively Christian thing. It's a human thing. So of course I'm not surprised by this. This is like the default version of people.

I would like to see a film with the premise of Persecuted that took place in areas where Christians are actually persecuted and more often-than-not violently so, and was more realistic. I mean, DAT PREMISE for Persecuted is pretty insane.

It's a privilege thing. Empowered groups often perceive an increase of equality as persecution. Look at MRAs, the "war on whiteness", the reaction to Final Fantasy 13/DMC4 coming to Xbox.

White, straight, Christian males have traditionally held the most privilege, and thus are the most vocal about "losing the country" despite continued elevated status.
 

jerry1594

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Being victimized isn't an exclusively Christian thing. It's a human thing. So of course I'm not surprised by this. This is like the default version of people.

I would like to see a film with the premise of Persecuted that took place in areas where Christians are actually persecuted and more often-than-not violently so, and was more realistic. I mean, DAT PREMISE for Persecuted is pretty insane.
We're talking about America here. Maybe in Iraq and Syria, but you've got Kurds Sunnis and Druze being persecuted there too.
 

SRG01

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It's a privilege thing. Empowered groups often perceive an increase of equality as persecution. Look at MRAs, the "war on whiteness", the reaction to Final Fantasy 13/DMC4 coming to Xbox.

White, straight, Christian males have traditionally held the most privilege, and thus are the most vocal about "losing the country" despite continued elevated status.

I laughed at the bolded, but that is actually a direct, consumerist way to describe what's going on. Bravo.

It utterly confounds me as to why equality is perceived to be persecution. No power is taken away and yet it is misconstrued to be so?!
 

Alchemy

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I laughed at the bolded, but that is actually a direct, consumerist way to describe what's going on. Bravo.

It utterly confounds me as to why equality is perceived to be persecution. No power is taken away and yet it is misconstrued to be so?!

Because people are fucking stupid, selfish assholes.
 
I laughed at the bolded, but that is actually a direct, consumerist way to describe what's going on. Bravo.

It utterly confounds me as to why equality is perceived to be persecution. No power is taken away and yet it is misconstrued to be so?!

There was that experiment about boys and girls in classrooms and someone counted and boys were called on more than girls.

They went out of the their way to make sure it was equal and the boys threw a shit fit because they thought they weren't being called on anymore.

It's the same thing except it's not 2nd graders...

It's just people with the brains of 2nd graders.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
It's true that feeling persecuted is a human thing and happens to everyone and every group. But there is a funny mechanic in a supermajority - when you're so on top, and so privileged and invisibly pandered to because of it, the slightest challenge to your reign causes complete batshit freakouts.

Perhaps because when you are a part of such a group your entire worldview is vanilla and monomaniacal. If you don't imagine anything other than your status quo exists, it is upsetting to find your grip on reality challenged.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
There was that experiment about boys and girls in classrooms and someone counted and boys were called on more than girls.

They went out of the their way to make sure it was equal and the boys threw a shit fit because they thought they weren't being called on anymore.

It's the same thing except it's not 2nd graders...

It's just people with the brains of 2nd graders.

If the status quo puts you in a privileged position but you can't admit that it does because you don't want things to change and you claim to believe in "equality" then the only recourse is to lie to yourself about the state of things and perceive any change as a threat
 
Boy if less than 25% of the population could bully the other remaining 75% into subservience and oppress them, why the fuck aren't we getting more done?!
 

Oersted

Member
With mass alienation from both major political parties and a labor movement that, bright spots aside, appears to be expiring, the only institutional outlet for the shared grievances of millions of Americans is their church.

I think this is a incredible important observation.
 

Nydius

Member
Interesting read.

I had a very similar discussion lately after a recent barrage of religious pieces ended up with a bunch of Christians lamenting how there's a supposed "war on Christianity".

Last I read, there were approximately 1.6 billion Catholics on the planet. Most discussions I see on the topic guesstimate the worldwide number of Protestants between 800 and 900 million. Going by the higher value of Protestants, 2.5 billion out of 7 billion people on the planet, identify as "Christian". Yet a lot of Christians, not just in the United States mind you, act as though they're still a small sect being persecuted by some gigantic machine aligned against them. It's as if they feel they're going to be thrown into the Coliseum with the lions at any moment and their entire faith structure will be gone.

I have never seen a persecution complex run so deep.
 

Suite Pee

Willing to learn
The biblical literalism question is a common one asked in many major social surveys (variable "BIBLE" in the GSS).

It is its own question separate from specific religious identification. The gap in those numbers could mean many different things.
 
IME these are a pretty popular talking point, actually. These people often have some racist views, but with respect to brown Christians outside of the US it's a very "white man's burden" sort of racism. Many conservative Christian groups are extremely active in trying to convert Africans and are keen on moving policy in a "biblical" direction in various foreign countries (see Uganda's "kill the gays" law). There's some team identification with persecuted Christians in other countries, and I imagine that there's some appeal in vicariously experiencing really dangerous persecution of the sort that many in the US can only fantasize about (and wow do they fantasize about it).

It should really be stressed that this is a minority of American Christians. I think it's a little misleading to point to a Christian supermajority to try to show that the people who feel persecuted must be wrong - the people who feel persecuted do tend to be rather different than other Christians. But of course it's still true that this conservative Christian persecution complex is ridiculous, and they're just mad that they can't force people to live the way they want them to.

Edit: Moreover, the ones who feel persecuted agree that the Christian supermajority isn't persecuted. Of course, they don't think this supermajority is really Christian. Part of the problem, as they see it, is that basically every Christian to the left of Pat Robertson is merely "Christian". The majority of "Christians" in the country are on the side of the persecutors.
Thank you for saying much of this. I'm Christian and can tell you some of the actions of some of these fellow religious people absolutely baffle me and question if they are truly as "Christian" as they claim to be.
 

akira28

Member
They think they're in Ancient Rome or something. Let me know when they start getting fed to lions or set on fire and nailed to posts to be used as street lamps.

Fucking giving the faith a bad name dumbasses.
 

Darksol

Member
There are some straight young white Christian men who feel persecuted. If that be the case, it's hard to imagine any demographic that isn't :p
 

AMUSIX

Member
How does that math work? 75 say they are Christian, yet 80% believe the Bible to be true? What's the extra 5%?

Two separate studies. Two separate stated results:
"More than 75 percent of the United States identifies as Christian"
"nearly 8 in 10 Americans believe the Bible to be either the “inspired word” or literal word of God."

Also, 'more than 75 percent' and 'nearly 8 in 10' is essentially the same figure.
 
The pushback on women's reproductive rights since the 70s is a testament to their power and influence so I will never stop lolling at their persecution complex.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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It's a privilege thing. Empowered groups often perceive an increase of equality as persecution. Look at MRAs, the "war on whiteness", the reaction to Final Fantasy 13/DMC4 coming to Xbox.

White, straight, Christian males have traditionally held the most privilege, and thus are the most vocal about "losing the country" despite continued elevated status.

It totally makes sense, though. Any change that benefits others makes them proportionally less privileged, so they feel like they are losing something by other people gaining something.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
People love to inherently feel they are being persecuted when they don't get everything their way, I'm not surprised. It's the same thing as white people complaining of "reverse discrimination." There is also something engrained in our culture about it being cool to be the underdog, even when you are clearly not, thus for Christians their is this really powerful appeal to standing up to this majority of the "godless liberals" who are trying to prevent you from spreading God's word. It doesn't matter that in actuality you are the majority who is in fact silencing all opposition.

every conservative is dumb and i alone am enlightened

LOL, I love this. You should have just posted the entire fedora atheist quote.
 

royalan

Member
I was raised in the church, and even when I was a little kid I was a little skeptical of the whole persecution aspect of it. Even in a city like Los Angeles, everyone I knew was Christian. I kept wondering who these heathens who'd lambast me for believing in Jesus actually were.

Then my grandmother told me they were all in San Francisco.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
The entire Christian religion is built on the idea of persecution. Hardly surprising its used as a fictional lubricant.

What else do they have to talk about? Christ coming again? He late.
 
Damn this War on Christianity. Leave them alone!

It reminds me of the War on Whites back in the 60s when we weren't allowed dibs on the front seats of the bus anymore, had to share our schools and water fountains with EVERYBODY, and weren't allowed to feel comfortable "among our own" at country clubs.

When will the persecution stop?!
 

Replicant

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kirblar

Member
Thank you for saying much of this. I'm Christian and can tell you some of the actions of some of these fellow religious people absolutely baffle me and question if they are truly as "Christian" as they claim to be.
The double meaning of "Christian" (when used by Evangelicals) goes under the radar for a lot of people. Most people don't consider themselves "Christians", they consider themselves Catholic/Presbyterian/etc when prompted. When the response is "Christian" it means much more than just "Oh I like Jesus."
 

sphagnum

Banned
IME these are a pretty popular talking point, actually. These people often have some racist views, but with respect to brown Christians outside of the US it's a very "white man's burden" sort of racism. Many conservative Christian groups are extremely active in trying to convert Africans and are keen on moving policy in a "biblical" direction in various foreign countries (see Uganda's "kill the gays" law). There's some team identification with persecuted Christians in other countries, and I imagine that there's some appeal in vicariously experiencing really dangerous persecution of the sort that many in the US can only fantasize about (and wow do they fantasize about it).

It should really be stressed that this is a minority of American Christians. I think it's a little misleading to point to a Christian supermajority to try to show that the people who feel persecuted must be wrong - the people who feel persecuted do tend to be rather different than other Christians. But of course it's still true that this conservative Christian persecution complex is ridiculous, and they're just mad that they can't force people to live the way they want them to.

Edit: Moreover, the ones who feel persecuted agree that the Christian supermajority isn't persecuted. Of course, they don't think this supermajority is really Christian. Part of the problem, as they see it, is that basically every Christian to the left of Pat Robertson is merely "Christian". The majority of "Christians" in the country are on the side of the persecutors.

As an ex-evangelical, I can attest that this post is 100% correct.
 

sphagnum

Banned
To me it is just so strange that people will latch on to some clearly fictitious narrative so strongly.

You're told from birth that your religion is true and right and that following it carefully and loving God will grant you a spot in Heaven. You're told from the moment you enter Sunday School that the world around you is filled with heathens and evil people who hate God, and that you're "in the world but not of this word". Your holy book itself says that you are either with God or against God, and that you will be persecuted for believing the truth, and that it is a good thing to bear that burden because the more persecuted you are, the more you are following the word of God. Only Christians can truly love God and do what is right, so if what you are doing is hated by everyone else, then clearly you are doing the correct thing. You are also told that the devil is real and has a plan to corrupt you and everyone else and take you down to Hell, and that the Book of Revelation very clearly lays out how your religion will become the most persecuted in the world and if somehow you're left on earth you're going to have to fend for your life. And - most importantly - you're told that current events happening right now are all pointing to this happening, and you're given all the evidence you need from sources you trust, with any other sources being deemed ideologically invalid. And everyone in your family, and all of yours friends, and all of your peers and other people you keep in contact with, believe the same thing and form a tight knit community.

You are also told that the country you were born in was once a great society where everything was peachy keen and clean cut and everyone went to church on Sunday and followed biblical morals and we won the cold war and we're the greatest and freest and best and God loves us.

And now there's gay people getting married and Christians can't pray in schools anymore and sex is everywhere and your religion is mocked mercilessly in the media while that other religion gets a free pass and your children are taught that God didn't create us and we're not special and traditional social power structures are collapsing and it's so hard to keep following God's word when you're surrounded by all of these things.

It's not very illogical that people become reactionary and feel like they have no power under these circumstances.
 
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