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The Black Culture Thread |OT8| Hands Up, Don't Shoot

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andthebeatgoeson

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xnipx said:
Great article. But it doesn't mention the fact that pro sports still produce more rags to riches transformations among black youth. It's not about sports being the only way out overall. But when you're coming from a place with shit school systems and even worse neighborhoods. Sports IS one of the only ways out.

It's hard to go to medical school coming from the lower class.

But overall the point does stand, we need to be looking up to those that made it out. They need to do more to help others make it too, rather than turn their nose and compare their middle class to upper class mobility to those in poverty thinking that they're not working hard enough.
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I can't get down like that. It's a million to one getting into the NBA. There are more black neurologists and cardiologist than every one in the NBA. That's not counting the family med docs that outnumber the specialists. Nor engineers, lawyers. For the average person, it's better to go to college and try at professional school. Not to mention how often pro players go bankrupt.

Last I heard, 50+% are going bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the league. Antoine Walker and AI are dead broke. Absolutely nothing to show. I can work as a doctor until I'm 70 with no problem. Not even close for the average man or woman to make that choice.
 
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xnipx

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skinnyrattler said:
I can't get down like that. It's a million to one getting into the NBA. There are more black neurologists and cardiologist than every one in the NBA. That's not counting the family med docs that outnumber the specialists. Nor engineers, lawyers. For the average person, it's better to go to college and try at professional school. Not to mention how often pro players go bankrupt.

Last I heard, 50+% are going bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the league. Antoine Walker and AI are dead broke. Absolutely nothing to show. I can work as a doctor until I'm 70 with no problem. Not even close for the average man or woman to make that choice.
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So are you saying it's easier to succeed in a failing school system and get a scholarship to go to college than it is to focus on sports and pray your good enough to get out??

I absolutely think anyone in a half decent school system coming from lower middle to upper middle class family should make that choice. But in the hood it's hard to excel when so much other shit is going on.

That article does a great job illustrating the statistics. But how many of those black doctors came from money?? Its basically a bootstraps argument all over again.
 
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Byakuya769

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xnipx said:
So are you saying it's easier to succeed in a failing school system and get a scholarship to go to college than it is to focus on sports and pray your good enough to get out??

I absolutely think anyone in a half decent school system coming from lower middle to upper middle class family should make that choice. But in the hood it's hard to excel when so much other shit is going on.

That article does a great job illustrating the statistics. But how many of those black doctors came from money?? Its basically a bootstraps argument all over again.
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How many of those ball players are the kids of other world class athletes? I'd bet on traditional routes of financial success above hoop dreams all day, every day.

And it's not even about just being a MD or lawyer. Reaching for those goals, you can fail and still take a step to better your life. Dreaming that you won the genetic lottery for athleticism is just going to get you reminiscing about your high school sports career for the rest of your life more often than not.
 
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DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Byakuya769 said:
How many of those ball players are the kids of other world class athletes? I'd bet on traditional routes of financial success above hoop dreams all day, every day.
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Seriously

Betting it all on ball is like investing in the lottery. If you can get even a scholarship through it you won.
 
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RP912

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strobogo said:
Pickles on a chicken sandwich? Pickles are disgusting on burgers (and everything else), but the idea of putting them on a chicken sandwich is weird as fuck.
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Pickle hatred will not be tolerated when I'm here. It's awesome on burgers and GOAT on chicken.
 
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xnipx

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Byakuya769 said:
How many of those ball players are the kids of other world class athletes? I'd bet on traditional routes of financial success above hoop dreams all day, every day.
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I'm willing to bet that 2nd generation pro athletes don't make up the majority of any sport.

However I am willing to guarantee that 2nd generation or upper middle class to upper class mobility makes up the majority of doctors and surgeons.

I'm NOT saying the article is wrong. But the statistics don't tell the whole story of WHY the youth looks up to these athletes. And it's because of the broken system that produced most of them. Most poor kids won't look up to a dr because nobody from their neighborhood ever made it out and became one. And if they did they probably would never ever think about coming back.
 
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Infinite

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skinnyrattler said:
Last I heard, 50+% are going bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the league. Antoine Walker and AI are dead broke. Absolutely nothing to show. I can work as a doctor until I'm 70 with no problem. Not even close for the average man or woman to make that choice.
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Should come as no surprise. Especially with the way these college sports programs treat their students. As long as they win who gives a shit about what they could learn for themselves.
 
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Byakuya769

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xnipx said:
I'm willing to bet that 2nd generation pro athletes don't make up the majority of any sport.

However I am willing to guarantee that 2nd generation or upper middle class to upper class mobility makes up the majority of doctors and surgeons.

I'm NOT saying the article is wrong. But the statistics don't tell the whole story of WHY the youth looks up to these athletes. And it's because of the broken system that produced most of them. Most poor kids won't look up to a dr because nobody from their neighborhood ever made it out and became one. And if they did they probably would never ever think about coming back.
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In my 30 years of life, how many of the kids from my high school that were superstars ever made it to a professional sports league. 1.

I cannot count the number of lower class kids that went to my high school that eventually got a career making north of 100k. I'm definitely a second gen product, but my best friend grew up in public housing. Had his dad trying to get him to focus on sports, luckily, he got to spend time with my family in vacations and such. Got to see what school could do.

He's making about 150k and is 30. My dad grew up broke as fuck. Makes north of 200k. I know a lot more ppl who fit that mold than hoops dreams/rap game millionaires.

There are definitely structural barriers that should be assessed, but I dint think a cry for realism and mentorship is going to hurt.
 
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xnipx

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Byakuya769 said:
In my 30 years of life, how many of the kids from my high school that were superstars ever made it to a professional sports league. 1.

I cannot count the number of lower class kids that went to my high school that eventually got a career making north of 100k. I'm definitely a second gen product, but my best friend grew up in public housing. Had his dad trying to get him to focus on sports, luckily, he got to spend time with my family in vacations and such. Got to see what school could do.

He's making about 150k and is 30. My dad grew up broke as fuck. Makes north of 200k. I know a lot more ppl who fit that mold than hoops dreams/rap game millionaires.
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Was your school a public school in a lower class neighborhood?

My whole point is that until we can actually provide these kids with good education and safe neighborhoods it's hard to sit here and preach that hard work and studying is all it takes to make it out the hood because a lot of luck is needed in both cases wether it's sports or becoming a dr.

I absolutely wish more of our middle class black youth looked up to the educated but the article doesn't seem to acknowledge the troubles of class mobility as a black youth when you're coming from the bottom. Bootstraps isn't the answer.
 
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Byakuya769

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xnipx said:
Was your school a public school in a lower class neighborhood?

My whole point is that until we can actually provide these kids with good education and safe neighborhoods it's hard to sit here and preach that hard work and studying is all it takes to make it out the hood because a lot of luck is needed in both cases wether it's sports or becoming a dr.

I absolutely wish more of our middle class black youth looked up to the educated but the article doesn't seem to acknowledge the troubles of class mobility as a black youth when you're coming from the bottom. Bootstraps isn't the answer.
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My school was public and 30% of the class was on free or reduced lunch.

I think this head in the sand attitude towards any suggestion that there are outlook issues in the community is more harmful than "bootstraps" from Gates. The guy is a leader in critical race theory, I don't think he's blind to the other areas of support that those communities need.

I cannot understand why there is always such a visceral reaction to the suggestion that there are some ideas that we should propagate for better results.

It's not an either/or discussion.

Why not both?
 
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xnipx

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Byakuya769 said:
My school was public and 30% of the class was on free or reduced lunch.

I think this head in the sand attitude towards any suggestion that there are outlook issues in the community is more harmful than "bootstraps" from Gates. The guy is a leader in critical race theory, I don't think he's blind to the other areas of support that those communities need.

I cannot understand why there is always such a visceral reaction to the suggestion that there are some ideas that we should propagate for better results.

It's not an either/or discussion.

Why not both?
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My point is BOTH. We should be promoting black youth to look up to the educated black elite but the educated black elite also need to stop looking down on their fellow man and thinking that they're not working hard enough just because they made it out of a second generation middle class home.

The tone of the article just seemed to me like "why are these dumb niggas looking up to these athletes don't they know all they gotta do is study and work hard and they can become a dr and make way more money".

My head's not in the sand. Most of my friends are college educated and have good careers but I know just as many who never made it out because they came from nothing and didn't have the same opportunities I did to pursue a better education for themselves.
 
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Retro_

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Trey said:
You know you're allowed to instruct them to not put pickles on, right?
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You can, but the chicken sandwhiches aren't made to order. They're produced in batches with pickles default.

So if it's really busy you're probably just getting handed one off the line because no one is going to remember that shit and if there isn't a batch ready or almost done, no one is going to drop a whole batch just for you.

Chik-Fil-A was my first job in high school so I really have no patience for that shit lol.

Like I can't go in that thread because I still want to pop off at some of the customers I had way back then and I see alot of the same attitudes represented in some posts.

I mean it's fast fucking food. You're not paying extra for us to set a sandwhich aside and make it exactly how you want it. Just be an adult, take the goddamn things off and gulp down your fried butter sandwhich that you won't even remember an hour from now
 
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Byakuya769

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xnipx said:
My point is BOTH. We should be promoting black youth to look up to the educated black elite but the educated black elite also need to stop looking down on their fellow man and thinking that they're not working hard enough just because they made it out of a second generation middle class home.

The tone of the article just seemed to me like "why are these dumb niggas looking up to these athletes don't they know all they gotta do is study and work hard and they can become a dr and make way more money".

My head's not in the sand. Most of my friends are college educated and have good careers but I know just as many who never made it out because they came from nothing and didn't have the same opportunities I did to pursue a better education for themselves.
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Bruh, your first objection was that ball creates more rags to riches stories than trying to be an md/lawyer/engineer, which is unequivocally false.
 
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strobogo

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MikeBreezy92

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Retro_ said:
You can, but the chicken sandwhiches aren't made to order. They're produced in batches with pickles default.

So if it's really busy you're probably just getting handed one off the line because no one is going to remember that shit and if there isn't a batch ready or almost done, no one is going to drop a whole batch just for you.

Chik-Fil-A was my first job in high school so I really have no patience for that shit lol.

Like I can't go in that thread because I still want to pop off at some of the customers I had way back then and I see alot of the same attitudes represented in some posts.

I mean it's fast fucking food. You're not paying extra for us to set a sandwhich aside and make it exactly how you want it. Just be an adult, take the goddamn things off and gulp down your fried butter sandwhich that you won't even remember an hour from now
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Idk I remember them waffle fries...hard to forget those gdlk fries....
 
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Alligatorjandro

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Retro_ said:
You can, but the chicken sandwhiches aren't made to order. They're produced in batches with pickles default.

So if it's really busy you're probably just getting handed one off the line because no one is going to remember that shit and if there isn't a batch ready or almost done, no one is going to drop a whole batch just for you.

Chik-Fil-A was my first job in high school so I really have no patience for that shit lol.

Like I can't go in that thread because I still want to pop off at some of the customers I had way back then and I see alot of the same attitudes represented in some posts.

I mean it's fast fucking food. You're not paying extra for us to set a sandwhich aside and make it exactly how you want it. Just be an adult, take the goddamn things off and gulp down your fried butter sandwhich that you won't even remember an hour from now
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Damn breh why you so mad
 
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MorisUkunRasik

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Got an interview in a couple days.

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Ever since I replaced my ethnic name with a more 'white' name I've gotten the same amount of callbacks and interviews in the past 3 months than I have in the prior 7 or 8 with my government name. And honestly I was looking a whole lot harder before I switched up my name.

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DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Byakuya769 said:
Bruh, your first objection was that ball creates more rags to riches stories than trying to be an md/lawyer/engineer, which is unequivocally false.
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I don't think I've ever seen an undiagnosed wrist injury destroy a lawyer's career either....

Even if there was a level playing field so to speak, there is just too much you have to go up against in order to even "kinda " expect the same road to travel. There are just a ton of obstacles - even if you're a phenom.
 
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Retro_

Unconfirmed Member
Alligatorjandro said:
Damn breh why you so mad
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I remember when we were busy, like holiday season at the mall busy. Dude comes up with a half eaten sandwhich and just holds it up in my face

Like he's standing next to a line of 40+ people and thinks I remember he asked for no pickle.

Expects me to drop everything and issue a full refund because he had the misfortune of biting into a pickle.

and we had to do it. Not only did my manager come out and give him his money back taking up a register which made our workload increase, he gave him a free sandwhich on top of that. This time with no pickle. and dude STILL LEFT MAD

I've never been so angry Jandro. Like it's 8 years later and it still makes me mad bro. Like Storm Chamber mad
 
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Discotheque

Banned
MorisUkunRasik said:
Got an interview in a couple days.

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Ever since I replaced my ethnic name with a more 'white' name I've gotten the same amount of callbacks and interviews in the past 3 months than I have in the prior 7 or 8 with my government name. And honestly I was looking a whole lot harder before I switched up my name.

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whoooaa. good luck.

did you change it legally or just on the resume?

edit: lol nv/m obviously resume, but won't it come up when you get the job?
 
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Trey

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I'm just imagining Retro going into rage fits when he passes a pickle jar in the store or a vlassic commercial comes on. He gets married and his wife is dope, loves him, but has to explain to company his ”problem”. Tells them not to bring up pickles or even make pickle turn of phrases.

My day has been made.
 
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MorisUkunRasik

Member
Discotheque said:
whoooaa. good luck.

did you change it legally or just on the resume?

edit: lol nv/m obviously resume, but won't it come up when you get the job?
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I'm not going that far, just switched it on the resume. Lots of people in the professional world don't use their government names, it's not a big deal.

Literally did nothing else to my resume, well actually my previous resume had a letter of recommendation from a Senior VP from the previous bank I was at but it listed my ethnic name so I hadn't included it since I went with the white name.
 
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