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[Veidt]

I'm one people that believe that Will Smith is an incredibly average actor. He shouldn't be anywhere near the role of James Bond.

There was a dark-skinned British guy that was perfect for the role, I just can't think of his name at all right now.

Idris Elba ( Himuro's avatar).

He should be a refugee, struggling with his haunted past of being a killer ( killing women and children, as part of a militia). Trying to make up for it, by saving the world.

There you go, more badass then even Bourne himself.

Day fucking one.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Idris Elba ( Himuro's avatar).

He should be a refugee, struggling with his haunted past of being a killer ( killing women and children, as part of a militia). Trying to make up for it, by saving the world.

Day fucking one.

Funny that I just mentioned him in the post above, he's awesome.

 

[crazy monkey]

I'm one people that believe that Will Smith is an incredibly average actor. He shouldn't be anywhere near the role of James Bond.

There was a dark-skinned British guy that was perfect for the role, I just can't think of his name at all right now.

you should see Ali and pursuit of happiness . Amazing acting in both. Dude has charm to become bond. you don't want some obscure guy to become bond you want bond that can be famous. children will see charisma in hero not acting imo.

 

[harSon]

Have any of you watched Traitor? Such an excellent film, both in the choice of who plays the lead character ( Don Cheadle, arguably a man that is hired for his talents specifically, because let's face it, they'd much rather hire a light skin, or big and bulky/muscled dude, in most other projects). And also in what kind of character he plays; which is a black muslim that's actually the most authentic portrayal I've seen in a film.

You should watch the show Sleeper Cell. Extremely similar premise, albeit stretched across two amazing seasons.

 

[Veidt]

I've watched sleeper cell. I liked the portrayal of the terrorists ( that shit was spot on), unbelievable.

But didn't like the portrayal of the main character. In traitor, the main character has a perfect balance of a moderate muslim, without falling into the thing of having girlfriends or something ( you won't find a practicing muslim doing this, while the main character in sleeper cell had girlfriends etc.). Plus his arabic and knowledge of scripture, was superior. But the portrayal of Muslims in sleeper cell, in the general sense, is spot on too. I especially liked the imam that was assassinated. He was good.

 

[crazy monkey]

just a thought I never though about having a brown super hero :lol maybe i always thought superman and all others are white super heroes. we already had our own brown super heroes from our own culture back home. Also some how my parents told me and i actually acepted from very young age that this is all fake and to look up to real person like gandhi or abdul kalam

 

[harSon]

And if you like Idris Elba, watch Sometimes in April. Hotel Rwanda got all of the attention and praise, but Sometimes in April was great as well.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Wow, I thought I was the only one.

Nope a lot of people do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Ihs241zeg
the dangers of a single story

in the beginning this Nigerian woman talks about how in her stories she made up as a little girl, they were stories of white people. We are very impressionable as children.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Wow, I thought I was the only one.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2553348&page=1

A new short film by a New York City high school student asks how far our society has come in its attitude toward race since the 1940s.

In Clark's test, children were given a black doll and a white doll, and then asked which one they thought was better.

Overwhelmingly, they chose the white doll.

Davis asked 4- and 5-year-old kids at a Harlem school the same question in 2005. She found the children's answers were not that different.

In Davis' test, 15 of the 21 children said that the white doll was good and pretty, and that the black doll bad.

 

[Veidt]

I wonder. Can a collaboration of internet people, put together a project the magnitude of a black james bond?
I've seen people accomplish a whole lot of crazy things on reddit.

 

[captmcblack]

I wonder. Can a collaboration of internet people, put together a project the magnitude of a black james bond?
I've seen people accomplish a whole lot of crazy things on reddit.

Probably could.

But could they get that film made?
Could they get it into actual movie theaters?
And could they get it taken seriously and advertised in such a way where it could actually be successful?

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Probably could.

But could they get that film made?
Could they get it into actual movie theaters?
And could they get it taken seriously and advertised in such a way where it could actually be successful?

I don't think Eon would ever do this.

 

[captmcblack]

Like if it was incredibly good, maybe you could get Spike Lee to do it or something.

Ehh, just a pipe dream.

The way to do it would be to find a way to write an amazing story with such a character, and get it published and talked about.

SOMEONE will start the movie ball rolling if it's worthwhile.

 

[DY_nasty]

you should see Ali and pursuit of happiness . Amazing acting in both. Dude has charm to become bond. you don't want some obscure guy to become bond you want bond that can be famous. children will see charisma in hero not acting imo.

Ali was his only 'good' film. Pursuit of Happiness was okay, but not because Will Smith stole the show or anything. I thought the direction in PoH was great... it still had Will Smith doing everything he does in every movie - running around, looking conflicted for moments, and yelling.

But I know I'm probably alone with my opinions on Smith. I enjoy the movies that he's in, just not that much of his acting.

 

[Veidt]

Probably could.

But could they get that film made?
Could they get it into actual movie theaters?
And could they get it taken seriously and advertised in such a way where it could actually be successful?

Getting the film to be made would rely heavily on donations. And maybe some subsidies depending on whether you could get the attention of some media/government groups.
Like most independent works of art, it wouldn't necessarily find it's way into the theatres at first. But the internet could be used as a platform to garner attention and get it launched. And from then on have a demand system set up ( in the manner of paranormal activity or the likes). All you really need is to somehow find a way to connect with a competent film maker and crew/studio, that are willing to support it or work with the concept, in some way.

But black aspirations man, this shit would never come to fruition.

 

[sooperkool]

You should watch the show Sleeper Cell. Extremely similar premise, albeit stretched across two amazing seasons.

Sleeper Cell killed 24 for me, it was so damn good that afterwards I couldn't go for the jack Bauer cartoon anymore. Well, that and Magical Marwan.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'm one people that believe that Will Smith is an incredibly average actor. He shouldn't be anywhere near the role of James Bond.

There was a dark-skinned British guy that was perfect for the role, I just can't think of his name at all right now.

This.

I veto Will Smith. But he's doing his thing in Hollywood. Damn. Overbrook has like 100 movies in the works.

 

[crazy monkey]

Getting the film to be made would rely heavily on donations. And maybe some subsidies depending on whether you could get the attention of some media/government groups.
Like most independent works of art, it wouldn't necessarily find it's way into the theatres at first. But the internet could be used as a platform to garner attention and get it launched. And from then on have a demand system set up ( in the manner of paranormal activity or the likes). All you really need is to somehow find a way to connect with a competent film maker and crew/studio, that are willing to support it or work with the concept, in some way.

But black aspirations man, this shit would never come to fruition.

however if you can create a unique black hero that will help a lot and will probably made in to movie much more easily. People with art talent can create unique comic strip with black super hero may be. IMO this is much better idea than turning white hero guy in to black hero guy

 

[Count Dookkake]

This summer...

Word is Bond.

 

[PantherLotus]

what about Blade? He's badass and nobody thinks of him as black.

 

[The Faceless Master]

what about Blade? He's badass and nobody thinks of him as black.

Wesley and Woody traded passes

 

[Scribble]

Wow, I thought I was the only one.

Nope a lot of people do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Ihs241zeg
the dangers of a single story

in the beginning this Nigerian woman talks about how in her stories she made up as a little girl, they were stories of white people. We are very impressionable as children.

I'd love to publish a children's book one day, so whenever I write fairy tale-ish stories I'm not sure whether I should be retelling Jack and the Beanstalk or Anansi/Brer Rabbit :lol I feel like I'm selling out by imitating many of the white authors I enjoyed as a child (Road Dahl and Enid Blyton were racist? =O), but it's unnecessary guilt because I relateD to those stories in the first place -- I'm not like that Chimemba woman in that I don't find descriptions of weather surprising. I live in Britain, come on!

The happy medium? Black Jack and the Beanstalk, obviously. Fee-Fi-Foe-Fum sounds a bit Nigerian.

(I'm all for a literal Black Peter Parker, because super heroes are more or less the folk heroes of our time)

 

[The Faceless Master]

guess i'll watch Traitor... put this Netflix trial to some more use.

 

[Scribble]

It's not all about action heroes. It's about princesses too >_>

Oh shit, The Lion King was an excellent black family film.

 

[Veal]

I need to analyze James Bond.

I can write that character if I could find out how such a character came to plausibly exist.

There are tons of things that explain how there could be a James Bond in his universe. If I had an understanding of that character, I could write a similar black one.

How about making the name "James Bond" some sort of prestigious honor if you happen to make it to "00" status. Like James Bond is such a legend that MI6 made the name an actual status...

It sounded better in my head.

 

[Scribble]

I saw a little white girl (about six years old) point at a Tiana cake in the supermarket and say "You look like her!" to her black friend.

 

[spindashing]

I saw a little white girl (about six years old) point at a Tiana cake in the supermarket and say "You look like her!" to her black friend.

Worse. A white girl I knew in Kindergarten saw a black friend at the time and seeing his brown skin she thought he was dirty so she said, "Ew you're dirty go clean up." I didn't get it at the time but whenever I look back, I die laughing.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

This is about where I thought we were in the UK. Not perfect by any means, but trying. Have you felt that race has been any kind of obstacle to employment? Has it caused you any problems with dating? In school?

I don't want you to relay stories that you don't want to share, I just really want to get a handle on what it's like to be Black in the UK in 2010.

Employment: I have no idea you know. I have rarely gone to an interview and not got the job for a dumb reason, everytime it's something that I have noticed and tried to rectify on the next interview. I remember one CHinese pharmacy in Wood Green, North London had a big vacancy sign in the window, so I was with my other black friend and we said to go in separately. We both ended up coming out with no C.V as there were no jobs available. So we chilled outside as it was next to Burger King, and two white boys rolled in and back in within 1 minute with C.Vs. We asked them how they got it, and they said the man gave it to them when they asked

I Was about 16/7 then, so it really put a damp squid on my feels to some people about race. One other time I was about 12 or 13 and was riding my bike back home and past a pub and a greengrocer, then I had to circle back..But I dind't notice a small mob of drunks from the pub who picked up a whole box of bananas and threw them at me when I was on the bike, resulting in me crashing off and mashing up my knee. Also the people who living opposite us got into beef with my mum over a parking space, and after a little argument resulted in them imitating monkeys whenever she tried to speak. I was too young then to do much, my brother had moved out so it went unpunished, but I banged out one of their sons a little while later in the park

As for girls, well it's weird. You get some that just love us darkies. For instance I had a real nice milky white girl from Canada (Immortal, remember from the Ill Community??) who like black guys but just loved black british guys for some reason (I sitll haven't got over this girl, she was perfect for me, and I still love her...but she was in my life at the wrong time. Then I've been with a fair few other chicks, but there are two issues:

1) I LOVE white girls. I'm sorry blackGAF, but damn I love white chicks. I can count on one hand the amount of black chicks I've been with (3), but as for white chicks I sometimes go out of my way to holla at them. And I like them kinda wholesome and English pale skin, some meat pun their bones...and JEEEEZ! But Asian chicks (Chinese/Japanese, etc) don't touch us blacks. It's a shame too, they have a negative connotation with blacks before they come to this country then see some fucking hoodlum motherfuckers with buss down clothes and think we're all like that. I still to this day have not been with an Asian chick.

Eastern Euro girls..well I'll need a whole other thread for that.

Man I know my US brothers up in here will never know what it is like in the UK but for real we have a lot of shit for you guys. From music, slang, food, dress…I can't say too much as I am tired after work, so I'll try and update in here as much as I can

But I'll give you guys a little something first

MUSIC

OK, there are so many videos I can chose, so I'll just do one from the earlier days, one from when we were growing up and one modern day thing. They won't all be hip-hop so you might need to be a bit patient with it. Over here WHITES, BLACKS and ASIANS all vibe to more funkier music. It's from our European cousins and African tribal routes, we do make heave hip-hop but it's not as popular.

But one huge influence for modern day UK rap is:

Money Mad- London Posse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gBFgTBqZDQ

Mord influence on the London 80's/90's style of music is dub step. I can't explain, but it's subdued music that is heavy on drums and base. The dub part comes from Raggae

Beats International- Dub Be Good To Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpAUU75ajUQ

Skip forward slightly to the 90's. Acid, e-pills and jungle/drum 'n' bass

Shy Fx- Original Nutter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZYbp1dKRZA

M Beat ft General Levy- Incredible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSZwwMeKOo

Ok I am going fast because man is hungry…let's carry on to the late 90's where the music got a bit smoother, the ladies got less rough and more finessed, and the man dem were on this ting (I'll explain the lingo later)

Architechs feat NaNa- Body Groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnoOW7y6vxE

Lonyo- Summer of Love (this had the summer on LOCK, truss. Was messy this summer/year)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VJHaopRd2g

Wookie- Gallium (this guy is a legend, amazing layering)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kazlS3YutNU

Wookie- Battle (I love this guy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nggZE0A9nE&feature=related

Artful Dodger- Please Don't Turn Me On (Amazing group, amazing songs. BUut this was my favourite. big shout out to Craig David for Rewind)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhp10X09XA

THIS IS MY SHIT RIGHT HERE! GET'S ME HYPED! I'M DANCING NOW! :lol
Boom Selection- Genius Crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWYPdMRhUwI

Heartless Crew Anthem- Heartless Crew (If it wasn;t for these guys, garage wouldn't have been dead)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYQM1mm8Rc

To say this song was BIG is an understatement. This tune was it's own entity..it was LARGE

Bound for the Reload- Oxide & Neutrino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-27rdwJPs

Ok, pull upppppppppp! Too much Garage. Americans normally think that it's too soft, but this is what we get down to as well as the hard stuff. Ok now for the hard shit: Grime

Grime is BIG. Grime will break your neck if you are bopping your head too hard. Grime is BlackUK personified, hard, angry and expressive.

Let's get it started with my man Tempz

Next Hype- Tempz (YOUR PAR GAME IS WEAK FAM) The intro is a joke BTW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ6G7qwjom4

Star Track Riddim- Too many to name
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b06UljQO7yo

Dizzy Rascal vs Crazy Titch (you won't hear much, but you'll get a vibe of the scene)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afxoYcLOK3E

Destruction- Grime Star Specials (Wiley, Jammer, Kano, Dirty Goodz)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAc2alp40qo&feature=related

I Luv U- Dizzy Rascal (I I I I love love you you)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH0KWX2a8zY

Oi- More Fire Crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTek4AdPkik

21 Seconds- So Solid Crew (More garage than grime though) One of my favourite ever club tracks, gets everyone bouncing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HFs1s0pDb0

Once again, to say this sone was HUGE is another understatement. It was EPICLY LARGE..Jeeeez!

Pow- East London Allstars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwfikgc6vs4

Too Many Man- Boy Better Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKDixFhvCAU&feature=related

TOO MANY MAN…and too much grime, back to hip-hop…

These are my manses right here

SAS- On Dem Road
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIBEuicstNw

Jehst- Run Hard (Amazing lyricist, good to listen to when your based) *Please at least listen to this guy here*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEgee_Y0j_s

Klashnekoff (Not much more to say than this guy is a UK legend) *please at least listen to this guy here*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENi4pV7BJUQ

Skinnyman- Council Estate of Mind *please at least listen to this guy here*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz49lnnzJak&feature=related

You know, you come across one song from an artist you feel is amazon and beyond their best, please at least listen to this song. I love this song

Skinnyman- Day to Day Basis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo8UTo_MeZ8&feature=related

For something more modern:

Talking the Hardest- Giggs ('ARRRRD BLAD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZ8qkzWcs0

Look at What the Cat Dragged In- Giggs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIUL10qOeR8&feature=channel

30 Rounds- G Fresh, Giggs, SAS, Malik (this is my gym song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSj2iw-eXJM

Anyway. I should include some funky house, but I am tired, so I am only going to post some, so let's go:

You'll notice with these there are accompanying dances which the whole end up doing, really something to see and participate in.

Party Hard- Doneo ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS gets the club started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVOdrWTLABA

Stickup, it's a Stickup- DotStar (This song is amazing when everyone does the dance at the right time, by then we're drunk, but when the whole club goes low, then comes back up it's EPIC) ALso there's one golden coloured chick near the middle with the Bentley, jesus she is BLESSED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvkrnPHzv90&feature=related

Tribal Skank- Fr3e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxVXbQPOS1M

Head, Shoulders, Knees & Toes- K.I.G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmHClIHgnRI

Migraine Skank- Gracious K **Watch this video for a simple example of funky house & skunking in terms of the UK**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR3gfLa5c50

Musical Statues- Emz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6kZj1xNQKA

ANYWAY!

THere's always more, but I can't do it all, this is just my version of an intro. I didn't even do too much of the history, the early rap/jungle scene...But you know, it's all good I'll do our slang some other day. For now I got some chicken to eat..Enjoy

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Like if it was incredibly good, maybe you could get Spike Lee to do it or something.

Ehh, just a pipe dream.

The way to do it would be to find a way to write an amazing story with such a character, and get it published and talked about.

SOMEONE will start the movie ball rolling if it's worthwhile.

Please not spike Lee. I'd rather have Tyler Per......yeah Spike Lee would be ok.

 

[SmokyDave]

I owe this thread an apology. I have realised I was wrong and, hopefully, realised why I was wrong.

I was hung up on the term 'Black culture' as a homogenous thing, rather than pockets of culture, spread out across the world, part of a larger culture. I think I was also subconciously interpreting the term as meaning 'exclusive to' rather than 'prevalent amongst' which clouded my thinking somewhat. In hindsight, defining 'Black culture' seems straightforward and I apologise for any ill will I have caused with my pointless niggling.

Another thing that has come to my attention is that there are more similarities between Black people in the UK and Black people in the US than I'd have liked to admit. There's a couple of examples in this thread and, having asked around, it hasn't been to hard to get anecdotes in my immediate circle. I thought we'd come further than we have. Because it sometimes feels like we all get shit thrown at us all day, I underestimate how it must feel to have twice as much shit thrown at you, and 99% of that shit thrown from the same direction. Obviously I can't know what that feels like but I can try harder to empathise.

I'll leave you with my single favourite piece of 'Black culture', having given it quite some thought this evening. It's The Miles Davis Quintet - 'Round Midnight.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Shit! How could I forget, the one song that trumps all of those previously posted!

NO NAME NEEDED! PHYCH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_sJmIQrH54

I still to this day, 16 years..Can't do the dance

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

This is about where I thought we were in the UK. Not perfect by any means, but trying. Have you felt that race has been any kind of obstacle to employment? Has it caused you any problems with dating? In school?

I don't want you to relay stories that you don't want to share, I just really want to get a handle on what it's like to be Black in the UK in 2010.

Employment: I have no idea you know. I have rarely gone to an interview and not got the job for a dumb reason, everytime it's something that I have noticed and tried to rectify on the next interview. I remember one CHinese pharmacy in Wood Green, North London had a big vacancy sign in the window, so I was with my other black friend and we said to go in separately. We both ended up coming out with no C.V as there were no jobs available. So we chilled outside as it was next to Burger King, and two white boys rolled in and back in within 1 minute with C.Vs. We asked them how they got it, and they said the man gave it to them when they asked

I Was about 16/7 then, so it really put a damp squid on my feels to some people about race. One other time I was about 12 or 13 and was riding my bike back home and past a pub and a greengrocer, then I had to circle back..But I dind't notice a small mob of drunks from the pub who picked up a whole box of bananas and threw them at me when I was on the bike, resulting in me crashing off and mashing up my knee. Also the people who living opposite us got into beef with my mum over a parking space, and after a little argument resulted in them imitating monkeys whenever she tried to speak. I was too young then to do much, my brother had moved out so it went unpunished, but I banged out one of their sons a little while later in the park

As for girls, well it's weird. You get some that just love us darkies. For instance I had a real nice milky white girl from Canada (Immortal, remember from the Ill Community??) who like black guys but just loved black british guys for some reason (I sitll haven't got over this girl, she was perfect for me, and I still love her...but she was in my life at the wrong time. Then I've been with a fair few other chicks, but there are two issues:

1) I LOVE white girls. I'm sorry blackGAF, but damn I love white chicks. I can count on one hand the amount of black chicks I've been with (3), but as for white chicks I sometimes go out of my way to holla at them. And I like them kinda wholesome and English pale skin, some meat pun their bones...and JEEEEZ! But Asian chicks (Chinese/Japanese, etc) don't touch us blacks. It's a shame too, they have a negative connotation with blacks before they come to this country then see some fucking hoodlum motherfuckers with buss down clothes and think we're all like that. I still to this day have not been with an Asian chick.

Eastern Euro girls..well I'll need a whole other thread for that.

Man I know my US brothers up in here will never know what it is like in the UK but for real we have a lot of shit for you guys. From music, slang, food, dress…I can't say too much as I am tired after work, so I'll try and update in here as much as I can

But I'll give you guys a little something first

MUSIC

OK, there are so many videos I can chose, so I'll just do one from the earlier days, one from when we were growing up and one modern day thing. They won't all be hip-hop so you might need to be a bit patient with it. Over here WHITES, BLACKS and ASIANS all vibe to more funkier music. It's from our European cousins and African tribal routes, we do make heave hip-hop but it's not as popular.

But one huge influence for modern day UK rap is:

Money Mad- London Posse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gBFgTBqZDQ

Mord influence on the London 80's/90's style of music is dub step. I can't explain, but it's subdued music that is heavy on drums and base. The dub part comes from Raggae

Beats International- Dub Be Good To Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpAUU75ajUQ

Skip forward slightly to the 90's. Acid, e-pills and jungle/drum 'n' bass

Shy Fx- Original Nutter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZYbp1dKRZA

M Beat ft General Levy- Incredible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSZwwMeKOo

Ok I am going fast because man is hungry…let's carry on to the late 90's where the music got a bit smoother, the ladies got less rough and more finessed, and the man dem were on this ting (I'll explain the lingo later)

Architechs feat NaNa- Body Groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnoOW7y6vxE

Lonyo- Summer of Love (this had the summer on LOCK, truss. Was messy this summer/year)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VJHaopRd2g

Wookie- Gallium (this guy is a legend, amazing layering)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kazlS3YutNU

Wookie- Battle (I love this guy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nggZE0A9nE&feature=related

Artful Dodger- Please Don't Turn Me On (Amazing group, amazing songs. BUut this was my favourite. big shout out to Craig David for Rewind)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhp10X09XA

THIS IS MY SHIT RIGHT HERE! GET'S ME HYPED! I'M DANCING NOW! :lol
Boom Selection- Genius Crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWYPdMRhUwI

Heartless Crew Anthem- Heartless Crew (If it wasn;t for these guys, garage wouldn't have been dead)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYQM1mm8Rc

To say this song was BIG is an understatement. This tune was it's own entity..it was LARGE

Bound for the Reload- Oxide & Neutrino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-27rdwJPs

Ok, pull upppppppppp! Too much Garage. Americans normally think that it's too soft, but this is what we get down to as well as the hard stuff. Ok now for the hard shit: Grime

Grime is BIG. Grime will break your neck if you are bopping your head too hard. Grime is BlackUK personified, hard, angry and expressive.

Let's get it started with my man Tempz

Next Hype- Tempz (YOUR PAR GAME IS WEAK FAM) The intro is a joke BTW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ6G7qwjom4

Star Track Riddim- Too many to name
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b06UljQO7yo

Dizzy Rascal vs Crazy Titch (you won't hear much, but you'll get a vibe of the scene)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afxoYcLOK3E

Destruction- Grime Star Specials (Wiley, Jammer, Kano, Dirty Goodz)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAc2alp40qo&feature=related

I Luv U- Dizzy Rascal (I I I I love love you you)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH0KWX2a8zY

Oi- More Fire Crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTek4AdPkik

21 Seconds- So Solid Crew (More garage than grime though) One of my favourite ever club tracks, gets everyone bouncing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HFs1s0pDb0

Once again, to say this sone was HUGE is another understatement. It was EPICLY LARGE..Jeeeez!

Pow- East London Allstars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwfikgc6vs4

Too Many Man- Boy Better Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKDixFhvCAU&feature=related

TOO MANY MAN…and too much grime, back to hip-hop…

These are my manses right here

SAS- On Dem Road
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIBEuicstNw

Jehst- Run Hard (Amazing lyricist, good to listen to when your based) *Please at least listen to this guy here*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEgee_Y0j_s

Klashnekoff (Not much more to say than this guy is a UK legend) *please at least listen to this guy here*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENi4pV7BJUQ

Skinnyman- Council Estate of Mind *please at least listen to this guy here*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz49lnnzJak&feature=related

You know, you come across one song from an artist you feel is amazon and beyond their best, please at least listen to this song. I love this song

Skinnyman- Day to Day Basis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo8UTo_MeZ8&feature=related

For something more modern:

Talking the Hardest- Giggs ('ARRRRD BLAD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZ8qkzWcs0

Look at What the Cat Dragged In- Giggs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIUL10qOeR8&feature=channel

30 Rounds- G Fresh, Giggs, SAS, Malik (this is my gym song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSj2iw-eXJM

Anyway. I should include some funky house, but I am tired, so I am only going to post some, so let's go:

You'll notice with these there are accompanying dances which the whole end up doing, really something to see and participate in.

Party Hard- Doneo ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS gets the club started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVOdrWTLABA

Stickup, it's a Stickup- DotStar (This song is amazing when everyone does the dance at the right time, by then we're drunk, but when the whole club goes low, then comes back up it's EPIC) ALso there's one golden coloured chick near the middle with the Bentley, jesus she is BLESSED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvkrnPHzv90&feature=related

Tribal Skank- Fr3e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxVXbQPOS1M

Head, Shoulders, Knees & Toes- K.I.G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmHClIHgnRI

Migraine Skank- Gracious K **Watch this video for a simple example of funky house & skunking in terms of the UK**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR3gfLa5c50

Musical Statues- Emz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6kZj1xNQKA

ANYWAY!

THere's always more, but I can't do it all, this is just my version of an intro. I didn't even do too much of the history, the early rap/jungle scene...But you know, it's all good I'll do our slang some other day. For now I got some chicken to eat..Enjoy

 

[captmcblack]

what about Blade? He's badass and nobody thinks of him as black.

I mentioned Blade in here.
Blade is awesome...but he can't be related to in the same way Spider-Man can be because he isn't exactly "human".

Whenever you have 'black' characters in media, they make them in the stereotypical ways, or they make them inhuman so you don't have to deal with the fact that "holy shit, they're plausible like you and me except oh fuck they're black I didn't think black people were so...normal".

You get Barret Wallace and Balrog. You get Martin Payne. You get any character that Anthony Anderson has ever played in any movie ever.

You rarely get Sazh from FF13...and he's not even that amazing from a "wow, black characters that don't patronize black people!" standpoint - he's just noteworthy because he's better than what we usually get.

You rarely get Cliff Huxtable, or even Dwayne Wayne.

I'm telling you, the best way to approach this is to ask that in at least one big mainstream thing, the character that would normally be made white is made black - for no reason but to make it plausible for such a character to be black.

Why can't you have a black Man with No Name? Why can't there be a black vampire hunter traversing through Castlevania? Why can't there be a black Spike (from Cowboy Bebop)? There are a jillion types of characters across all media, but you've got enough fingers and hands for the different types of characters black people get to play.

 

[spindashing]

Smokey gets a black pass. NegroGAF has spoken.

 

[Veidt]

We will really have progressed if someone made a 500 days of summer-esque flick ( which I hated) starring a black male. Breaking all kinds of stereotypes for teenagers.

 

[Scribble]

That head shoulders knees and toes song is hilarious.

I like grime but I haven't really pursued it because I associate it with thugs.

SmokeyDave wasn't entirely mistaken with some of his opinions. As I said before, many black British young people think that black British = African American.

 

[captmcblack]

We will really have progressed if someone made a 500 days of summer-esque flick ( which I hated) starring a black male. Breaking all kinds of stereotypes for teenagers.

God, yes.
Juno with black characters? Why couldn't that film exist?
Mysterious Skin with black characters?
Brick with black characters?

Why not?

Shit, I really should just lift these films wholesale, put black characters in them and set them in Brooklyn.

I'd be RICH

 

[Scribble]

People may think that Black Juno is Juno just for black people?

 

[see5harp]

So who here likes Jagged Edge?

 

[Veidt]

God, yes.
Juno with black characters? Why couldn't that film exist?
Mysterious Skin with black characters?
Brick with black characters?

Why not?

Shit, I really should just lift these films wholesale, put black characters in them and set them in Brooklyn.

I'd be RICH

Imagine how much a black Juno would mean for young black females. Films like Brick/500 DOS, are the cure for the images imposed on young black males, due to the prevailing culture of hip-hop.

 

[Scribble]

^ films starring Joseph Gordon Levitt. DOS = Days of Summer. Brick's a film noir set in a current-day high school or something.

Ha, I missed 'Mysterious Skin with black characters.' How would that work, I wonder :lol

 

[see5harp]

What are Brick and 500 Dos?

Joseph Gordon Levitt.

 

[Veidt]

What are Brick and 500 Dos?

And 500 Days Of Summer.

Or even:

Imagine the story of 2 young black conmen, in the 30's!

 

[captmcblack]

People may think that Black Juno is Juno just for black people?

I'd fuck that thinking up by making Ellen Page's role a black woman, and having the Michael Cera role still be a white guy.

Then, I'd make the family adopting the baby black.

It would literally EXPLODE the minds of people trying to pigeonhole the film as some sort of means to convey a racial message.

[EDIT: Commercial failure isn't important yet, as long as the film can actually be seen outside of the black community too. Black people doing things that aren't exactly stereotypical needs to be seen as NORMAL. That would be the greatest social gift for us in 40 years...aside from Obama, lol]

 

[see5harp]

Ha, I missed 'Mysterious Skin with black characters.' How would that work, I wonder :lol

Guaranteed to fail at least commercially.

 

[Boombloxer]

Probably the only places on Earth where one's blackness isn't also a general "otherness" are places where black people are the predominant people...like in Africa or in the Caribbean or something.

In America, to understand what it is like to be a black male here, you'd need to live your otherness everyday. It's not enough to just know that everyone considers you different - if only just a tiny, tiny bit - because you are black. You need to be thought of differently, perceived differently. You need to know that when you're in Bloomingdale's with a fitted cap, you will be followed around to make sure you don't steal anything. You need to know that you are not being looked for on OkCupid even if you look like Denzel Washington (whereas you'd probably get lucky if you looked like Macaulay Culkin, lol). You need to know that you're a surprise when you're successful and an expected statistic when you fuck up. You need to know that sometimes, your girlfriend's parents won't dig you specifically because you are black. You need to know that law enforcement in whereever you live at is explicitly trained to observe you and assume - even slightly - that there is a higher probability for you to be up to less than absolute good specifically because you are black.

You need to know that advertising thinks you need to have funkier music in the ads for things that are decidedly un-funky (like McDonald's) because you are black. You need to know that your favorite politicians make a big to-do about going where you live to be seen around you, but not a big to-do about honestly fixing things that suck about where you live because you are black (and you need to understand that the politician's hands are tied because he can't be seen to be giving any racial favoritism, lest his opposition suggest "OH SHIT REPARATIONS WHITE SLAVERY"). You need to know that you will not be able to get a good haircut in 90% of the country, even though a good haircut is simply shaving your head and aligning the hairline accordingly.

These are just an infinitesimal amount of things that make being black, being black.

You don't have to understand what it's like - you just need to know that it exists like this sometimes.

Blackness in America is a perpetual cultural/societal otherness that you learn to live with - and over the last 40 years as a function of centuries of work towards civil rights and de jure equality, it is also something that many have learned to love as well.

Should be framed and in the OP. /salute

The part that hits home the most is when I was told a few times in school that I'd likely be the only person of color in a professional sense, at conventions, etc. Didn't understand that until I looked around a few years later.

And yea, the haircuts are a bitch.

You rarely get Cliff Huxtable, or even Dwayne Wayne.

I'm telling you, the best way to approach this is to ask that in at least one big mainstream thing, the character that would normally be made white is made black - for no reason but to make it plausible for such a character to be black.

Why can't you have a black Man with No Name? Why can't there be a black vampire hunter traversing through Castlevania? Why can't there be a black Spike (from Cowboy Bebop)? There are a jillion types of characters across all media, but you've got enough fingers and hands for the different types of characters black people get to play.

One of the more interesting things I've been told more than once is that to keep international appeal, is to write to a "mainstream" audience. I've gotten "too Ethnic" for a project a while ago.

I was happy with Sheva, but expecting anime to depict a black man as favorable is nearly a lost cause unless it's written here and sent elsewhere (Afro Samurai). Way too many times, you'll see something like Deejay in SF (anime) or Mr. Popo.

Kinda crazy. I have to explain some things that are obvious to me, and completely obtuse to others.

 

[Scribble]

I don't really expect black people in anime -- they have problems depicting themselves accurately :lol

Sometimes I imagine myself as a game developer working for an AAA title for a major studio, making the main character's face brown with the fill tool (I know they don't create 3D models with paint, bear with me =D) then showing the rest of the team to see how they'd react.

Seeing a black person with a british accent is...eerie to me.

And that UK hip hop is...different.

Yeah bruv

 

[Boombloxer]

Fuck the mainstream audience. When I think of the "mainstream audience" I think of Costanza pimping the next Batman movie.

Only problem is that that how quite a few folks who control budget think. It's tricky to say the least.

 

[Veidt]

I saw a dude with a high fade in one of those videos, Mecha Infantry posted. :lol

Oh dear.

Seeing a black person with a british accent is...eerie to me.

And that UK hip hop is...different.

yeah. I don't like UK Hip Hop at all. I can barely understand what's being said.


Trip-hop though. my god, the greatest thing ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdpluQpyAn8#t=2m16s

 

[see5harp]

yeah. I don't like UK Hip Hop at all. I can barely understand what's being said.


Trip-hop though. my god, the greatest thing ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdpluQpyAn8#t=2m16s

Stop bumping threads with Massive Attack dude. I love that album too though.