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The Black Culture Thread
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bgassassin
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magnificent83 said:
That was a nice watch. Thanks for the link. Michael Beach (had to look up his name) to me kinda favors that Orrin Evans guy at around the 5:50 mark.
MWS Natural
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ALLEGEDLY. Just because that's what they claim doesn't even mean that is what really happened. You know car keys look like weapons to some Police Officers.zero_suit said:
bgassassin
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MWS Natural said:
Just like allegedly having a toy gun.
http://www.wreg.com/wreg-new-toy-gun-law-story,0,466788.story
Bay Maximus
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MWS Natural said:
Yeah I see what you mean. But trying to teach the seemingly willfully ignorant over the internet is not something I'm good at. I do alot better IRL. I will make a conscious effort to at least throw out an attempt or two per thread though. It just becomes draining after awhile.
Big Baybee
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This.zero_suit said:
lightless_shado
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So I saw this tweet:
"African-Americans" aren't African. Or American.
from the author of this blog and I wonder what you guys in the United States think of the term. Do you think its a poor descriptor for black people in America as there are black people whose roots are from the Carribean or from Pacific Islands/Australia? or do you have no problem whatsoever with it?
"African-Americans" aren't African. Or American.
from the author of this blog and I wonder what you guys in the United States think of the term. Do you think its a poor descriptor for black people in America as there are black people whose roots are from the Carribean or from Pacific Islands/Australia? or do you have no problem whatsoever with it?
computers putin'
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Dead Man said:
He's probably right. I know this was touched upon recently, but that's why I avoid the racially charged threads; I don't feel like getting worked up and angry.
Imm0rt4l said:
Lasers was disappointing. The whole sound of the album really deviates from what I expected of Lupe, but that was to be expected I guess. Lupe was not gonna get Lasers released unless he tailored it to his labels wants. All Black Everything is incredible though, one of his best tracks ever.
Dreams-Visions
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I can't WAIT to hear what his 2 kids have to say.MWS Natural said:
lemmie reach back a few black gaf days:lightless_shado said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KKyw8V-l0
something like that. I wish a mothafucka would tell me I'm not American, btw.
Kitschkraft
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lightless_shado said:
I honestly don't know why it's such a heated issue for some (Blacks and whites alike). It's just a name to describe an ethnicity in the US...doesn't matter if the term is negro american, black american, African american, nigga american, coloured american or whatever really (Disregarding offensiveness).
We are obviously American, that goes without saying, that's our nationality. I can't find/don't care to find that specific blog post to see his argument...not sure how one can make that argument, unless he's saying that only First Nation/Native Americans are "American"...but that's like a completely new can o'worms.
As none of us really know our "true" country of origin due to slavery, "African" is a good term to use. Some prefer black..but it really doesn't matter. It's not referencing a nationality, or even a race, it's an ethnic group.
People whose parents were of a different nationality shouldn't be described as African American, as they aren't "organic" to the US. A dude whose family is from Jamaica is Jamaican.
The only issue is in regards to the census I suppose...however, most of the time even that says "Black or African Descent" so it's not like you're being piled in with anyone.
To me as an outsider (White, English) it just seems like a fucked up phrase to use. The idea of calling white Englishmen 'English' and black Englishmen 'African-English' just seems bizarrely racist to me. That's before you go into the fact that it's a catch-all term often involving people that have never set foot on or near Africa.Kitschkraft said:
Obviously it doesn't really matter what I think but I thought I'd add my tuppence.
Kitschkraft
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SmokyDave said:
Doesn't matter if we've never set foot on Africa. The "African" aspect only realizes "Hey, these peoples ancestors were taken from somewhere in Africa", doesn't imply anything else.
Africans that immigrate to America from Africa know which country they are from, so they can call themselves "Nigerian American" or "Somalian" or whatever. Or, they could just prefer American. Or "African American" actually if they feel they have assimilated into the community. Personal choice of course.
Regardless, England is different anyways, you really can't make that comparison...you guys aren't a settler colony, so I would imagine that any sort of phrasing that separates peoples history is looked down upon more harshly in your country. There *is* an "English People", anglo-saxons I believe? Are you saying that in England, you make no distinction? Everyone is *just* English? What if a couple immigrates from France? Are their children not considered English with a French background?
I also don't know if the racial history of England has resulted in as much of a fragmented and segregated history as it has in America. As I stated, Black/African Americans are a community within the country, mainly due to the history of said country. Not sure if the same can be said of blacks in England, and if not, there really is no need for such a term.
Edit : This here The idea of calling white Englishmen 'English' and black Englishmen 'African-English' - That isn't what's going on at all. Me calling myself an African American or a Black American is comparable to someone calling themselves "Italian American" or "Irish American" (Both are quite common). Whites don't have some sort of ownership over the term "American" just because "African American" exist (Although, some think they do, but that's a completely different subject).
Oh they're definitely different situations, that's why I stressed 'outsider' and that my views on the subject really aren't relevant.Kitschkraft said:
Yeah, in England you're just 'English'. There are tick-boxes for ethnicity where you can state your 'colour' and 'origin'*, but your nationality is just 'English'.
In the event that you were born in England to French parents that had lived in France most of their lives, I can see why you'd perhaps identify as 'French-English', although your nationality would still be English. If your parents were born in England and you were born in England too, you're English as fuck, no matter how you might try and hold on to some long forgotten ancestry. If you go back 4 or 5 generations on my fathers side, they're all Irish. Does that make me 'Irish-English'? Hell no, I'm English. I have no real tangible connection to Ireland whatsoever.
I see things are very different in the states, where you have groups that have been in the US for generations and yet still identify with the country that their great-grandparents were born in. I wonder if that's due to the relatively young age of the country?
*I have to do this a lot for work so I can give you the usual categories used. These are for ethnicity, not nationality:
White British
White Irish
White Other
White & Black Caribbean
White & Black African
White & Asian
Other Mixed Background
Asian or Asian British Indian
Asian or Asian British Bangladeshi
Asian or Asian British Pakistani
Other Asian Background
Black Or Black British Caribbean
Black Or Black British African
Other Black Background
Chinese
Any Other Ethnic Group
Patient Declined
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I know that's not what's going on, it's just that it seems that way sometimes. It seems like an artificial way to create 'difference'. Same goes for 'Italian-American' and 'Irish-American'. In my eyes, if your parents were born in America and you were born in America, you are American. Just American.
It really isn't a big deal. Its how america identifies different races of people living in america. It does separate or make them less american because they have african in the name. I don't see the big deal. If no one in america is up in arms why do you take offense? Just seems weird to make a big deal out of people being called african american. Think of it as a difference of culture from england. If I was you I would get more upset at the term american indian.
SmokyDave said:I didn't wake up thinking about it this morning, I responded to this line:
With my perspective on why that might be, as an outsider
ok, maybe I shouldn't have said "up in arms". But I feel that as an outsider to many cultures, I don't agree or understand tons of things. I am usually told to take it as being a different culture from my own and that many in that culture feel its normal.
One thing that is true about these "names" is that for Indians it is unfair to be called American Indian. The land was taken from them and they have very little rights here. For a people that were here first that is pretty messed up.
Any of you guys/gals picking up NCAA Football 12 today? My black co-worker (USF grad, the catfish guy I talked about here before) has already been talking shit all day about beating me online. :lol Good times.
It's threads like that where you get a glimpse of why American voting demographics are the way they are today.
Dreams-Visions said:
It's threads like that where you get a glimpse of why American voting demographics are the way they are today.
Urban Scholar
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LosDaddie said:
Nah, I'm more of a soccer(football outside of the US) guy. If anyone wants to play pro evolution 2012 in the future I'd be down.
soundscream
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LosDaddie said:
I'm done with EA Football games until they do some real innovating.
:Lights a candle for 2k Football
soundscream said:I'm done with EA Football games until they do some real innovating.
:Lights a candle for 2k Football
Move on from the past, bro. Just let it go. NCAA and Madden are way better than NFL 2k5 ever was. Online Dynasty/League are awesome, and I'd be doing them again if I had the time to commit.
soundscream
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LosDaddie said:
Ah no. The 2k series was always better then the current version of madden it was going up against. And Madden hasn't changed its formula enough, its stagnant.
soundscream said:
Agreed on 2k being better at that time,...but that was 7yrs ago. Madden has since surpassed NFL 2k5, and by a wide mile. I mean, if you don't like football games anymore, that's one thing. But sports gaming has never been better than today, including football.
soundscream
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LosDaddie said:
Where did I say I didn't like football games? I know if you compare 2k5 to last years madden its obviously not a fair comparison. What I was saying is that madden on a year to year basis doesn't make a large enough leap in quality or game play to warrant a purchase. The difference between 10 and 11 wasn't that huge. There are always 1 or 2 new features but since there is no competition, they dont try to improve the game.
Edit: Look at 2k11 Basketball, it was a huge improvement over 2k10 cause they have competition. Even though Live is crap, they dont have the ability to sit on there laurels.
soundscream said:
Oh, I thought you were saying you didn't play football games because of NFL 2k not being in the game anymore. It's a common claim on forums. And it's a silly claim because football gaming has never been better.
I'd like EA to have competition too. The main reason NFL 2k5 was so awesome was becase VC had EA pushing them. I only buy NCAA every year because of my love for college football.
Electivirus
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LosDaddie said:
Not into sports games. Or sports in general, really.
perfectnight
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I never really got into realistic sports games but damn if I didn't play the fuck out of NBA Street last gen on the ps2. Me and my brothers/cousins/friends had so much fun playing those games. Our mom would get pissed because of how heated the games would get hahaha
The Faceless Master
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you already lost.MWS Natural said:
Vicetrailia
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zero_suit said:
True that and it had an amazing soundtrack that really hit home.
Black Republican
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plus the interracial marriages/dating doesnt cause as much of stir here in london, u pretty much see it everywhere (upper/middle class lower etc)
Dreams-Visions
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How many have you lived in so far?Veidt said:
I know this was sarcasm.Measley said:Doesn't cause much of a stir here in the states either. Hence why a child of an interracial relationship is the goddamned President of the United States!
Top that Europe.
It all depends on where you live in the US and the families of the parties involved. Americans talk a bit game about color...but when it comes to having someone of _______ (fill in color) marrying into the family, people can get real funny real quick.
Dreams-Visions
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Must be nice. How would you rank them in order?Veidt said:
Also, how many languages do you speak??? I'm going to guess...4?
eternaLightness
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Fly me out and invite me to dinner.
I speak 4 fluent.Dreams-Visions said:
3 ( arabic, russian, french)) I can understand and somewhat speak some bits here and there. Would have been fluent in 5 if I had kept up with my french. I'm going back to it this year though. Too beautiful to give up. Only need to remember some of the voca. As I'm still good on grammar.