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The Blacklist - Mondays 10/9c on NBC
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RustyNails
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Spader is awesome.
RustyNails
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Only Spader can deliver lines like these with gusto and a straight face. Lol.
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LumpOfCole
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I'm not sure why we couldn't guess the Copolongo incident
RustyNails
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I bet Tom whispered "....dickbutt" in her ear.
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aparisi2274
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So, everyone's assumption from page 1 of this thread was true...
Red is her dad.
Nah, I think he might've rescued her(maybe even started the fire), don't think it means he's her dad.
aparisi2274
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Is he though? When the cops came to go over the crime scene, where was his body? The Russian dude was still cuffed to the chair, but Tom was gone...
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Well, Berlin and Red have either the same picture, or a mother/daughter set, Red having picked his up from the Stewmaker. I forget, were we able to see the person he was searching for in the national database from way back when?
And I'm guessing the "your father is dead" is Red
edit: And Tom's alive, since the Mustang commercials have him saying "you'll see Tom's true colors some day" or w/e.
And I'm guessing the "your father is dead" is Red
splitting hairs since he chose to cut all ties or something of that nature
edit: And Tom's alive, since the Mustang commercials have him saying "you'll see Tom's true colors some day" or w/e.
It makes no sense for him to actually be her father. If Tom knew he was her father, he would've told her "Your father is Red" not "Your father is alive".
AuthenticM
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So Berlin is not Elizabeth's father; there goes for my theory.
We now know that Red was at Lizzy's house the night it burned. This leaves two possibilities: either he lied to her in the mid-season finale and he is her father, or he is simply the one who saved her. I'm leaning toward the latter, as it would be bad writing for the writers to backpedal on Red's lie. Having him bluntly answer Liz's question about him being her father only to have him latter say: "oh wait, I am your father after all" would be super lame.
We have a clue concerning the mystery though: Red has the same photo of Berlin's daughter. To hunt him so, Berlin must believe that Red is somehow responsible for his daughter's death. But if Red carries her picture around, what does that make her to him ? And who is Elizabeth in all that ? Is she Berlin's granddaughter, as in his daughter's daughter ? Maybe Red is the one who got Berlin's daughter to be found by his enemies. When they found her, they abducted her, torched the house and (maybe) killed the father. Red could have saved Liz from the fire. So many questions !
I got my wish answered though: that CIA woman got killed. She was the least interesting character on the show; I'm glad they got rid of her.
Also, Peter Stormare ! Love the guy. I hope he gets more of an active role in the next season.
We now know that Red was at Lizzy's house the night it burned. This leaves two possibilities: either he lied to her in the mid-season finale and he is her father, or he is simply the one who saved her. I'm leaning toward the latter, as it would be bad writing for the writers to backpedal on Red's lie. Having him bluntly answer Liz's question about him being her father only to have him latter say: "oh wait, I am your father after all" would be super lame.
We have a clue concerning the mystery though: Red has the same photo of Berlin's daughter. To hunt him so, Berlin must believe that Red is somehow responsible for his daughter's death. But if Red carries her picture around, what does that make her to him ? And who is Elizabeth in all that ? Is she Berlin's granddaughter, as in his daughter's daughter ? Maybe Red is the one who got Berlin's daughter to be found by his enemies. When they found her, they abducted her, torched the house and (maybe) killed the father. Red could have saved Liz from the fire. So many questions !
I got my wish answered though: that CIA woman got killed. She was the least interesting character on the show; I'm glad they got rid of her.
Also, Peter Stormare ! Love the guy. I hope he gets more of an active role in the next season.
So, in summary:
Pretty meh for a season finale. It was good, but not the thrillfest I was hoping for. Maybe I need to watch it again.
Red is baller.
Red may or may not be Lizzie's father.
Tom Keen is still alive (god-fucking-dammit).
And we still don't know why the burn on Lizzie's hand matched Tom's secret stash box.
Red may or may not be Lizzie's father.
Tom Keen is still alive (god-fucking-dammit).
And we still don't know why the burn on Lizzie's hand matched Tom's secret stash box.
Pretty meh for a season finale. It was good, but not the thrillfest I was hoping for. Maybe I need to watch it again.
Maddocks
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Good damn episode. characters I didn't care about are dead. Tom is alive, so that is interesting, glad berlin wasnt captured. going to be a great season 2 main villain.
I am in the camp that red is her father. He tells her that her father is dead because he is such a changed man he is not the guy he once was. All the burns on his back point to it also. To red, his old self died in that fire.
I am in the camp that red is her father. He tells her that her father is dead because he is such a changed man he is not the guy he once was. All the burns on his back point to it also. To red, his old self died in that fire.
AuthenticM
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What are you talking about ?
Are we sure about that?
Also the moment I saw Stormare in the hospital I knew he was Berlin lol.
When we first saw Lizzie's burned hand, we soon saw that the burn matched the mark on the top of Tom's secret stash box. It was dropped and forgotten about by the writers, so...
That's what I'm guessing. The way he looked when she said she remembered her dad saving her said it all. Red saved her and Berlin is her father.
Tim the Wiz
Banned
Yup. I think this was easy to miss. My guess is that Elizabeth is Berlin's daughter but he's unaware she's alive. Red was shacked up with the mother and saved the little girl in the fire and put her into hiding. Berlin blames Red for taking his wife away from him and getting her killed. Keeping a locket with the picture of a dead lover screams revenge.
Whatever the case, I don't mind dropping in on this show for two-parters and finales. Don't think I could watch it week-to-week though.
HP_Wuvcraft
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He's gonna eat it up as Ultron.
After his dialogue to her about how life is meaningless without her, he goddamn better be.
HP_Wuvcraft
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dp
AuthenticM
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Yes. When Berlin was telling his story to Elizabeth and the Homeland guy, he said that "towards the end of the cold war, Berlin's daughter was imprisoned in a Siberian prison for being in love with a dissident". Berlin then got her out of prison, was imprisonned himself and latter received parts of his daughter in a box. Unless Berlin is lying, his daughter and Elizabeth are two different people. They are seperated by two generations, hence why I say that maybe Elizabeth is Berlin's granddaughter. I guess he could be lying, but he did not react in any way to Elizabeth's presence while she was questioning him. The show gave no hint at all that he knew her. There's also the fact that the woman in the picture looks very different from Liz.
It's quite unlikely that Elizabeth is Berlin's daughter. If she was, it would make this episode weird in how they handled some of the scenes.
FracturedZero
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I tend to think Red is her father. In his mind, her father died that night when he lost almost everything that was important to him, and Raymond Reddington was born. So figuratively speaking, he is not lying. Kind of like when Obi-Wan told Luke his father was dead.
Personally, if it is anything other then that, this show will lose me. I don't see any explanation they could give that would justify their relationship and the willingness of Red to give up his own life for her repeatedly.
Personally, if it is anything other then that, this show will lose me. I don't see any explanation they could give that would justify their relationship and the willingness of Red to give up his own life for her repeatedly.
spookyfish
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spookyfish
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The only reason she wouldn't be his granddaughter is because she was on the hit list. But, in the interest of crappy writing all season long, I agree: Lizzy's probably Berlin's daughter's daughter.
Tim the Wiz
Banned
Oh yeah, for some reason I thought that was his wife. Granddaughter makes sense.
Ethical Hedonism
Banned
Is it just me or did this finale feel rushed as hell? (as in story moving too fast)
I am pretty sure Red convinced Berlin that she was dead.. he doesn't know she's alive
If Tom knew her father was red he would have just told her so
irfaanator
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The picture of berlin's daughter was in the alchemist's notebook which red found. Doesn't he dissolve the bodies? If so that means he probably didn't kill her and her picture in the book for another reason maybe
AuthenticM
Member
It's weird though; Red seems to genuinely not know who Berlin is and what is his beef with him, but he also has his daughter's picture with him.
I don't know what to make of that.
I don't know what to make of that.
poppabk
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Yeah, the pace was kind of screwy, it didn't feel like it needed to rush, but then deaths or near deaths of people we were supposed to care about were barely touched on.
It's possible, though, that Berlin isn't aware of who Lizzy is, and is just trying to get revenge on Red and his associates.
spookyfish
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Yeah, I thought that after I wrote this. I think that's gonna be the case.
ProfessorX
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Yeah the story was moving very slowly all season long, then the finale was just like a big reveal that moved very fast.
poppabk
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And yet didn't reveal anything. Why is Keene important to Red? Why is red important to Berlin? Who is Berlin? Who is Keene's father? Why is who her father is important? Why is keeping it from her important? Why doesn't Red know what happened to his family? Where did Red learn to shoot like that?
I figured we would get closure on at least one plot secret. If they stretch this out too much longer then any answer is gonna be unsatisfying.
ProfessorX
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I have a feeling that they aren't revealing it because it will be unsatisfying.
AuthenticM
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Um.
AngmarsKing701
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The show is pretty much just a vehicle for Spader to ham it up and I love it.
HAHAHAHAHA.
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