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The drama is DUMB on both side of the woke/anti-woke extreme spectrums - KCD 2 boycott
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Buggy Loop
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And you'll have the same reasoning for the other side for sure right? right?
And how do you calculate the damage on KCD 2 then? What CCU or sales it could have gotten if those channels didn't have massive views and comment sections filled with peoples saying they are boycotting? This is just telling us that there's enough brain cells remaining in the community that a game can still find success even when boycotted by both sides. Warhorse is not the kind of company that pours $200M budget into a game either they are still rooted in their indie roots so they'll be fine. But its a matter of time that a game just gets circled for the wrong reasons and a studio closes.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It’s embarrassing what’s happened with this hobby.
The anti-woke drama queens of today would lose their shit if some of the games of my youth were released today.
Even Mac from Worth a Buy had to say how stupid people were acting with KCD2, but that’s the audience he’s cultivated.
Then on the other side of the same coin we’ve got the woke weirdos who want to insert their own personal interests into games of beloved franchises.
I’d be thrilled if all of those motherfuckers left the hobby. All you do is make it miserable for everyone.
The anti-woke drama queens of today would lose their shit if some of the games of my youth were released today.
Even Mac from Worth a Buy had to say how stupid people were acting with KCD2, but that’s the audience he’s cultivated.
Then on the other side of the same coin we’ve got the woke weirdos who want to insert their own personal interests into games of beloved franchises.
I’d be thrilled if all of those motherfuckers left the hobby. All you do is make it miserable for everyone.
Grizzled Ghost
Member
The game sold 30 million copies. Hell of a boycott.
Guilty_AI
Member
They failed, but it doesn't mean there wasn't an attempt.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
phant0m
Member
It’s easier to see a black person in a video game that is predominantly white and just scream WOKE!!!!! Than rub their 2 brain cells together and do any kind of reasoning.
Isn’t this supposed to be the big “do your own research” gang?
But 90% of it is all for views and engagement anyway.
deeptech
Member
If a game panders to wokeness/ultraleft it's seen as trash and failure, fine by me. But also if it doesn't pander to ME and my specific views, it's again trash and failure, this is kinda weird no?
I will admit, I am against woke, leftist, propagandist products, game or movie, but it seems so childish and pitiful to demand to be pleased by products or feel betrayed if you're not pleased.
Artistic integrity and free creative expression above else, and if I happen to vibe with it, like it, awesome, good for me. It just seems one step too far to demand nongay character as it is to demand a gay character.
I will admit, I am against woke, leftist, propagandist products, game or movie, but it seems so childish and pitiful to demand to be pleased by products or feel betrayed if you're not pleased.
Artistic integrity and free creative expression above else, and if I happen to vibe with it, like it, awesome, good for me. It just seems one step too far to demand nongay character as it is to demand a gay character.
Buggy Loop
Member
Seriously?
Cmon, its getting as much youtube content farming as anything. They smelled blood with Veilguard and they want more. No matter the logic. Just look at the comment section of the youtube video in my OP. There's more negative comments in a few hours than average neogaf active users.
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It’s extremely exaggerated, not to mention it’s a role playing game. So if you fancy a kiss from a guy, you can do it. If you don’t then you won’t.
Mac even had to explain it to his audience. Some of them started to turn on him because God forbid someone uses their brain, and isn’t making a mountain out of nothing.
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FalsettoVibe
Member
That video is spot on. But it'll probably be a tough sell here on GAF. Also, anyone who says one side is better than the other, more than likely sits closer to the acclaimed "better" side. In really both extremes are 100% ridiculous.
I really don't understand. In 2018 the director was making sarcastic joke about black people in center Europe, everybody had his back, and now you get a black character, very badly written, and with some inspiration that make no sense in the context. And somehow the people who point out the inconsistency get called out by the superior reasonable people that are so much ahead of this foul debate.
That doesn't make the game bad, even if the game had been without any doubt woke that wouldn't make it bad as well (from the start i always thought that you can make a good woke game).
That doesn't mean that KCD 2 is the new Veilguard as well. Just that there are a lot of things that objectively make the game explicitly progressive, and adapted to a large audience. And that it's in fact probably the safest way to reach success, despite the narrative "go woke go broke".
That doesn't make the game bad, even if the game had been without any doubt woke that wouldn't make it bad as well (from the start i always thought that you can make a good woke game).
That doesn't mean that KCD 2 is the new Veilguard as well. Just that there are a lot of things that objectively make the game explicitly progressive, and adapted to a large audience. And that it's in fact probably the safest way to reach success, despite the narrative "go woke go broke".
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What's sad is he was one of the richest men on planet Earth and people like the above still need to act as if he didn't exist.
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Brother 90% of people couldn't even find Mali on a map, and asking them to do so would probably be the first time they've ever heard of the country. Don't feign surprise that people don't know who Mansa Musa is.
GudOlRub
Member
I bought Alan Wake 2 twice because of how much I loved that game, I bought KCD2 because it's one of the best RPGs I've played in the last few years, I will always call out how strange and sus it is for Ubisoft's to make Yasuke one of Shadows protagonists, DICE deciding women should be part of every army in Battlefield V is not only dumb, but also insulting to the actual women who stayed back home, working their asses off and doing the men's jobs at the factories, they were the backbone of the entire fucking war.
And I could keep going all day giving examples of stupid shit from both sides.
In sum, this is pure retardation. wokeism, antiwokeism, sweet baby inc or whatever the fuck, it is just so fucking dumb...
Everyone who thinks themselves as an activist on these matters, regardless of the political side of the spectrum, is not right in the head and I have to believe that one day common sense shall prevail.
And I could keep going all day giving examples of stupid shit from both sides.
In sum, this is pure retardation. wokeism, antiwokeism, sweet baby inc or whatever the fuck, it is just so fucking dumb...
Everyone who thinks themselves as an activist on these matters, regardless of the political side of the spectrum, is not right in the head and I have to believe that one day common sense shall prevail.
The Gamer Triple H
Gold Member
Was Mansa Musa in bohemia in 1408? Let's see the proof.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So is he the "only" very badly written character in the game.
Guilty_AI
Member
you're just proving my point, theres like 2-3 results actually complaining, most dont even have 10k views. Other results are either complaining about the ones complaining or are unrelated.
Meanwhile here's an MSNBC article, aka a mainstream news site saying whoever buys or streams Hogwarts legacy is supporting anti-trans movements
Opinion | Why the new Harry Potter game's attempt to counter bad press is insulting
By buying, playing, streaming and promoting the game, you contribute royalties to J.K. Rowling, and inadvertently financially support the anti-trans movement.
www.msnbc.com
From what i saw, no, but there are different reasons. Regarding this specific character, the writing is tied mostly to the fact he's an outsider. It's the whole purpose of the character.
balls of snow
Member
It is sooo funny seeing the goalpost beimg moved with kcd 2.
Yeah well 200k ccu but wheres the other 800k players how can they say they sell 1 million. Gamers won and we reject dei!
Yeah well 200k ccu but wheres the other 800k players how can they say they sell 1 million. Gamers won and we reject dei!
Fess
Member
This is it.
I’m not anti-woke, I just don’t live in a progressive area and seeing lbtq characters here and there just seem extremely unrealistic from my perspective. The world isn’t the same all over the planet. If you do a global release then a progressive/dei/woke slider in the settings menu would be a solution imo, like the
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
MiguelItUp
Member
Honestly, I really wish we could get a new and good Duke Nukem game that is overflowing with satire that mocks all things. The excessive woke, the excessive anti-woke, and everything adjacent. It's gotten ridiculous and out of hand. I'm hoping that we're seeing a period where there's just not much in it left.
I hate that we see more weekly threads revolving around similar topics rather than more interesting things about games and games themselves. If I cared about what some tourist grifter/"content creator" had to say about something or their personal opinion, I'd look it up myself. Just give me back my video games damnit, lol.
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Secret_Lover
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Unfortunately a lot of people nowadays are just incapable of interfacing with media without incorporating every aspect of it toward more culture warring. Sort of tangentially related but I´ve recently been rewatching The Wire and was thinking about how if this show came out today it would probably be derided by modern anti-woke crusaders for featuring a lesbian cop and a gay street thug and a host of other things.
Unknown?
Member
Already did, just shat blood. Couldn't get myself to menstruate.try chewing glass and tell me if you start pissing blood
Honestly, not being condescendant nor agressive with anybody, not saying that for you, but the people who need to shut up immediately are the ones that just can't handle other people's opinion. This is the real hivemind.
The people who cheers when a "woke" game fails, then are saying that people are pathetic because they criticized a game that has 200k players on Steam. Because if it works, it's well deserved and it just cannot be woke, and you have to be part of the cattle or just shut up. These people just make their own narrative and decide which game is worthy and which is not. Like it's just obvious and you have to agree with them.
Never heard those people say 150 videos on Veilguard was a little too much, never heard the hundred stupid accusations against Ubisoft being called stupid drama, but 10 videos about KCD 2 and the word "grifters" just emerge like that. It would be so much easier if we could give our honest personal opinion (which is not a "drama") without being identified as part of a group.
Those people are in the biggest group, but for some reason they believe they are outside of those said groups, that they are too intelligent for that.
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Wolves hunt in packs
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Much more then a simple attempt of boycott, straight up ignored the game on some review sites and threatened streamers who wanted to play it.
Funny enough some of them got caught playing the game while saying they boycott it.
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Much more then a simple attempt of boycott, straight up ignored the game on some review sites and threatened streamers who wanted to play it.
Funny enough some of them got caught playing the game while saying they boycott it.
"For research purposes"
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
The issue is people call every little thing “woke” to the point that word becomes meaningless.
We even had people in GAF calling Zelda Ecos of Wisdom “woke” just because you play as Zelda.
This is no different than people calling a game “problematic” just because character is sexy.
Both side may hate each other but they both side have much more in common than they think.
{insert code here}
Member
It's a made up category to shame people into not criticizing the things they want us to buy. Might've worked ten years ago but too late now.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Same defenders of KCD2 are the ones shitting all over a random bipoc graffiti in NYC
Yeah, both sides are absolutely dumb
Yeah, both sides are absolutely dumb
Topher
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Buggy Loop
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Fabieter
Member
No dei destroyed the quality of alot of games and franchises so much than some people of the other side got understandabley more extreme as well.
Buggy Loop
Member
You’re confusing critique of extremes with boycotting rally cries and think I won’t laugh at derp woke insertions into games lol.
This is hilarious to me. I think I will never tire of seeing that clip pop up
Am I buying the game? No
Do I think it’s ok to attack Mortisimal gaming for liking it? Or that anyone who liked the game is a shill? No
Gray zones.
Is Spider-Man 2 giving so much power to MJ, or gave gay side quests, Black Lives Matter, or Peter is a cuck and says the city needs MJ or that Sony just tossed aside white Peter for Morales from now on being the Spider-Man is some of the most cringe Marvel content of the past decade? Yes. Do I care you like it? No. But that you didn’t see any of the above in your play through is something else James lol. Is the above enough for me to just outright consider not buying the game? Nope. It just ends up that I didn’t like the first one either. Open world slop.
When I’ll play Avowed I won’t pretend pronouns are not there. Just that I personally don’t care, if that’s how far it goes. Just like BG3. If it turns out to be forced comical dialogues like Veilguard. I’ll point and laugh too. I certainly won’t make a boycott crusade.
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Hudo
Gold Member
I do buy and play games regardless of whether you play as a chad or a black women or whatever. As long as the game is fun I don't give a shit. Problem is that most of the people who want to push certain politics (both "woke" and "anti-woke") are shit designers and shit writers.
lughnasadh123
Member
It's funny to watch people snap back and forth between complaining about games pushing a social agenda while they themselves support the pushing of a social agenda. Either it's fine for all or not at all. Even weirder how the calls to let devs do their own thing evaporate the moment it's something fans don't like. Even the merits are if a game is good or not takes a flush when all people want to measure is if it's woke or not as a means to determine a purchase.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I've often thought the people who complain about the knockout game are just as bad as those who participate in the knockout game.
It's like yeah, hitting unsuspecting people with bricks in the back of their head is bad but why you gotta complain about it? You're so annoying.
It's like yeah, hitting unsuspecting people with bricks in the back of their head is bad but why you gotta complain about it? You're so annoying.
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Kacho
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Gamers have always bitched and moaned about stuff going back to MGS2.
What's changed is that grifters on twitter who have zero interest in games took over as soon as twitter became popular, and the algorithm started boosting these morons.
Make no mistake, this is not an anti-woke vs woke thing. It's a gamer vs non-gamer thing and its been going on for a while now. Remember AC Unity? Buggy game that was one of the first games that went viral as part of a hate campaign. Today the game is loved and hailed as unique by gamers who fell for the hate and never played it when it came out. It was Mass Effect Andromeda next. Another buggy game that was treated like AIDs and boycotted thanks to hate campaigns on twitter.
MG Survive, Anthem, Days Gone, and more recently Star Wars outlaws, Dragon Age, and AC Shadows are all flawed games yes, but not worth the hate campaigns that should be reserved for bad games. We take 7/10 games and pretend like they are the worst thing ever.
Back in the day, we played all those games, and came to forums to bitch about them. Wall of texts were written. Arguments ensued. Insults thrown. People banned. But thats it. Now everything has to go viral and people skip games from their favorite developers just because they allow themselves to get fooled by a bunch of grifters.
I have A LOT of issues with Tlou2, Dragon Age, Star Wars Outlaws, and HFW, but you couldnt pay me to boycott those games. Id rather play them and form my own opinion. I skipped AC Unity due to the outrage and told myself 10 years ago that i would never fall for these grifters again.
Gamers despise gaas but skip single player games like star wars outlaws, dragon age, avatar and ac shadows, games ubisoft and EA made just for them instead of chasing the bros/zoomer fortnite audience. Retarded.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
You’re confusing critique of extremes with boycotting rally cries and think I won’t laugh at derp woke insertions into games lol.
This is hilarious to me. I think I will never tire of seeing that clip pop up
Am I buying the game? No
Do I think it’s ok to attack Mortisimal gaming for liking it? Or that anyone who liked the game is a shill? No
Gray zones.
Is Spider-Man 2 giving so much power to MJ, or gave gay side quests, Black Lives Matter, or Peter is a cuck and says the city needs MJ or that Sony just tossed aside white Peter for Morales from now on being the Spider-Man is some of the most cringe Marvel content of the past decade? Yes. Do I care you like it? No. But that you didn’t see any of the above in your play through is something else James lol. Is the above enough for me to just outright consider not buying the game? Nope. It just ends up that I didn’t like the first one either. Open world slop.
When I’ll play Avowed I won’t pretend pronouns are not there. Just that I personally don’t care, if that’s how far it goes. Just like BG3. If it turns out to be forced comical dialogues like Veilguard. I’ll point and laugh too. I certainly won’t make a boycott crusade.
This is all just warring in the end. If you don't like a game due to [reasons], you can easily find something woke about it to cry about and claim it's garbage, or "slop" as you put it (funny how you seem to have no problem with some of the most egregious open world ubislop stuff out there). I played through the entirety of SM2 and the MJ stuff, gay/deaf side missions, etc. are like 1% of the game. The rest is playing through one set piece after set piece against badass spider-man villains. If that's never appealed to you, fine, but the discussion constantly gets diverted into the most minuscule aspects of the entire games.
SportsFan581
Member
As I've said countless times on this forum.
Upper Echelon said it better than I could ever. Both sides are an embarrassment to gamers. The Hogwarts Legacy cancel attempt or the KCD 2 boycott. Both utterly dumb.
Do watch the video 100% to see the thread of grifting
Grifters are farming for extreme reactions. The fact that KCD2 of all games even gets boycott talk says it all how at the bottom of the barrel youtube comment sections has become (and leaking to hardcore forums like here sadly)
"get woke, go broke"
"100% non-buy-nary"
Much like flat earthers, you find a community and you get your dopamine hits from peoples you suddenly find are like you and talk to you. Oh a little mean one-liner and you get hundreds of likes. You truely understand the dynamics of society with just a few one-liners like go woke go broke and a huge echo chamber in the youtube grifter's comment section all tapping themselves on the back and upvoting any flock mentality comment that doesn't deviate from the channel. You found your little hole in society right? Using logic and trying to argue in good faith, that's too much fucking typing and no easy upvotes. Why would brain go for hard things? Easy dopamine hits.
Its quite sad. What even is this generation of gamers? So much black and white. Drama farming. Its tiring.
Snowflakes are going to snowflake. However, I don't see anything wrong with finding some comradery with like-minded individuals. I've always been the odd, awkward type so online communities can be a good way to have some social interaction. You just can't get too wrapped up in it, which is easy to do.