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The faces of Compassionate Conservatism

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Zell Miller and Dick Cheney from last night's Republican National Convention.

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They probably have photographers that take pictures of these guys every .5 seconds and pull the one that looks the worst.

Seriously, people need some fucking lives
 
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AeroGod said:
They probably have photographers that take pictures of these guys every .5 seconds and pull the one that looks the worst.

Seriously, people need some fucking lives
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Obviously, you didn't catch the Miller speech.
 
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Obviously, you didn't catch the Miller speech.
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Who needs to catch it. All I have to do is hop on GAF and here everybody bitching about it.

But I did see it. I thought it was good. Why? Because Im a Bush supporter. You didnt? Why? Because you're not. POLOTIKS!! DIFFERENT OPINIONS!!! OMG!!! Of course you people arnt going to like what he said. Its a different view then yours.
 
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because those two assholes delivered speeches in front of millions of americans that delivered but nothing soundbites, character assasanations, and flat out lies. they should be ridiculed at every turn.
 
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Personally, I'm in disbelief that Bush would dare run as a "compassionate conservative" again. Depsite the hype about his supposed lies about iraq, THIS is what he lies about.

Either it's Flip-flop in its purest form, or a good exercise in orwellian newspeak.
 
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I initially read the title as 'The feces of Compassionate Conservatism'. More fitting anyway.
 
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AeroGod said:
Who needs to catch it. All I have to do is hop on GAF and here everybody bitching about it.

But I did see it. I thought it was good. Why? Because Im a Bush supporter. You didnt? Why? Because you're not. POLOTIKS!! DIFFERENT OPINIONS!!! OMG!!! Of course you people arnt going to like what he said. Its a different view then yours.
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why was it good? was it the conviction of his tone? the expressions on his face? the anger that was easily noticeable? or, even better, was it good because it presented a REAL case as to why john kerry isn't capable to run this country and dubya is?
 
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HalfPastNoon said:
why was it good? was it the conviction of his tone? the expressions on his face? the anger that was easily noticeable? or, even better, was it good because it presented a REAL case as to why john kerry isn't capable to run this country and dubya is?
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He got all the talking points down with the diligence of Ripclawe. That's an accomplishment. ;)

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HalfPastNoon said:
why was it good? was it the conviction of his tone? the expressions on his face? the anger that was easily noticeable? or, even better, was it good because it presented a REAL case as to why john kerry isn't capable to run this country and dubya is?
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Yes.

Its always a Lie. "OMFG THATS NOT MY OPINION IT MUST BE A LIE!!!

LOL

Politics are so funny. We should go back to a monarchy with a king and queen and anyone who has anything to say can take it up with a guillotine. Founding fathers were wrong, England was right all along. What can we do to fix this. This is exactly why I usually stay out of politics threads. A bunch of people who have no idea what they're talking about bitching and moaning.
 
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AeroGod said:
Yes.

Its always a Lie. "OMFG THATS NOT MY OPINION IT MUST BE A LIE!!!

LOL

Polotics are so funny. We should go back to a monarchy with a king and queen and anyone who has anything to say can take it up with a guillotine. Founding fathers were wrong, England was right all along. What can we do to fix this. This is exactly why I usually stay out of polotics threads. A bunch of people who have no idea what they're talking about bitching and moaning.
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it's not my opinion that renders nearly half of zell's speech a lie, it's facts, jackass.
 
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If anything the Miller speech did more harm than good for the Republicans it made them look really bad, I am halfway convinced that the Democrats set up Miller as a mole to infiltrate the GOP.

JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN ANCHOR: Senator Miller, the Democrats are pointing out that John Kerry voted for 16 of 19 defense budgets that came through Congress while he was in the Senate, and many of these votes that you cited (in criticizing John Kerry in your speech), Dick Cheney also voted against, that they were specific weapons systems.

MILLER: What I was talking about was a period of 19 years in the Senate. I've been in the Senate for four years. There's quite a few years' difference there. I have gotten documentation on every single one of those votes that I talked about here today. I've got more documentation here than the Library of Congress and the New York Public Library put together on that.

JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: You also were, I would say, almost indignant that anyone would possibly call America military occupiers, not liberators, on at least four occasions. President Bush has referred to the presence of American forces in Iraq as an occupation, and the question is: Are you not selectively choosing words to describe the same situation the president of the United States is describing?

MILLER: I don't know if the president of the United States uses those words, but I know Senator Kennedy and Senator Kerry have used them on several occasions.

GREENFIELD: Yes. So has President Bush.

MILLER: Well, I don't know about that.

GREENFIELD: Well, we'll...

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: You know that when the secretary -- when the vice president was the secretary of defense he proposed cutting back on the B-2 Bomber, the F-14 Tomcat as well. I covered him at the Pentagon during those years when he was raising serious concerns about those two weapons systems.

MILLER: Look, the record is, as I stated, he voted against, he opposed all of those weapons systems. That, to me, I think shows the kind of priority he has as far as national defense. Look, John Kerry came back from Vietnam as a young man unsure of whether America was a force for good or evil in the world. He still has that uncertainty about him.

WOODRUFF: You praised him...

GREENFIELD: Then why did you say in 2001 that he strengthened the military? You said that three years ago.

MILLER: Because that was the biographical sketch that they gave me. This young senator -- not young senator, but new senator had come up there, and all I knew was that this man had won the Purple Heart three times and won the Silver Star and...

Look, I went back and researched the records, and I looked at these, and I -- when I was putting that speech together, I wanted to make sure, whenever I sat down with people like you who would take these talking points from the Democrats and who also have covered politics for years, that I would know exactly what I was talking about, and we don't have time to go through it on the air, but I can go through every one of those things that were mentioned about where he voted.

He voted against the B-1 Bomber...

BLITZER: A lot of--

MILLER:-- on October the 15th, '90, and on and on.

WOODRUFF: But do you simply reject the idea that Vice President Cheney, as Wolf said and as we know from the record, also voted against some of these systems?

MILLER: I don't think Cheney voted against these.

BLITZER: No, but he opposed some of them when he was the defense secretary, and sometimes he was overruled by the Congress because he was concerned, he was worried that the defense of the United States could be better served by some other weapons systems, not specifically those. I'm specifically referring to the B-2 and the F-14 Tomcat.

MILLER: I'm talking about John Kerry's record. I'll let Dick Cheney, the vice president, answer those charges. He knows what happened in the Department of Defense years ago. I don't know that.

But I do know, because I've looked it up and it's there for everyone to see, that he voted against those positions as far as those weapons were concerned. He voted against all the weapons that really won the war against Communism, the Cold War and that are now winning the war on terror.

BLITZER: I know you have to move on because you have other things to do, but when you were speaking tonight -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- you seemed very angry.

MILLER: Me angry?

BLITZER: Yes, sir.

MILLER: No, no. I'm sorry if I gave that appearance.



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Let me go now to the—go right now. We‘re going to joined right now as we speak, and stop speaking, with Zell Miller, the man who made the speech.

Senator, thank you. You have...

(BOOING)

MATTHEWS: Well, don‘t listen to them. Don‘t listen to those people.

We want to hear from you, Senator.

Senator, let me ask you.

(BOOING)

MATTHEWS: I want to ask you about the most powerful line in your speech. And it had so many.

“No pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.”

Do you believe that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy really only believe in defending America with spitballs?

MILLER: Well, I certainly don‘t believe they want to defend America by putting the kind of armor and the kind of equipment that we have got to have out there for our troops. I mean, nothing could be clearer than that, than what John Kerry did when he voted against that $87 billion in appropriations, that would have provided protective armor for our troops and armored vehicles.

MATTHEWS: All right, let me ask you. Senator, you are the expert. Many times, as a conservative Republican, you have had to come out on the floor and obey party whips and vote against big appropriations passed by the Democrats when they were in power.

You weren‘t against feeding poor people. You weren‘t against Social Security. You weren‘t against a lot of programs that, because of the nature of parliamentary procedure and combat, you had to vote against the whole package. Didn‘t you many times vote against whole packages of spending, when you would have gladly gone for a smaller package?

MILLER: Well, I didn‘t make speeches about them and I didn‘t put them in my platform.

Right here is what John Kerry put out as far as his U.S. Senate platform, was, he was talking about he wanted to cancel the M.X. missile, the B-1 bomber, the anti-satellite system. This is not voting for something that was in a big bill.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Which of those systems was effective in either Afghanistan

or Iraq? The M.X. certainly wasn‘t, thank God, nor was the other

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: Look, this is front and—wait, this is front and back, and it‘s two pages. I have got more documentation here than they have got in the New York Public Library and the Library of Congress.

MATTHEWS: OK.

MILLER: I knew you was going to be coming with all of that stuff.

And I knew that these people from the Kerry campaign would be coming with all this kind of stuff.

That‘s just baloney. Look at the record. A man‘s record is what he is.

MATTHEWS: I agree.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: A man‘s campaign rhetoric—what?

MATTHEWS: I‘m just asking you, Senator, do you mean to say—I know there‘s rhetoric in campaigns. I just want to know, do you mean to say that you really believe that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy do not believe in defending the country?

MILLER: Well, look at their votes.

MATTHEWS: I‘m just asking you to bottom-line it for me.

MILLER: Wait a minute. I said I didn‘t question their patriotism.

MATTHEWS: No. Do you believe that they don‘t believe in defending the country?

MILLER: I question their judgment.

What?

MATTHEWS: Do you believe they want to defend the country?

MILLER: Look, I applaud what John Kerry did as far as volunteering to go to Vietnam. I applaud what he did when he volunteered for combat. I admire that, and I respect that. And I acknowledge that. I have said that many, many times.

MATTHEWS: Right.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: But I think his record is atrocious.

MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask you, when Democrats come out, as they often do, liberal Democrats, and attack conservatives, and say they want to starve little kids, they want to get rid of education, they want to kill the old people...

MILLER: I am not saying that. Wait a minute.

MATTHEWS: That kind of rhetoric is not educational, is it?

MILLER: Wait a minute.

Now, this is your program. And I am a guest on your program.

MATTHEWS: Yes, sir.

MILLER: And so I want to try to be as nice as I possibly can to you. I wish I was over there, where I could get a little closer up into your face.

(LAUGHTER)

MILLER: But I don‘t have to stand here and listen to that kind of stuff. I didn‘t say anything about not feeding poor kids. What are you doing?

MATTHEWS: No, I‘m saying that when you said tonight—I just want you to...

MILLER: Well, you are saying a bunch of baloney that didn‘t have

anything to do with what I said up there on the

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: No, no.

MATTHEWS: OK. Do you believe now—do you believe, Senator, truthfully, that John Kerry wants to defend the country with spitballs? Do you believe that?

MILLER: That was a metaphor, wasn‘t it? Do you know what a metaphor is?

MATTHEWS: Well, what do you mean by a metaphor?

MILLER: Wait a minute. He certainly does not want to defend the country with the B-1 bomber or the B-2 bomber or the Harrier jet or the Apache helicopter or all those other things that I mentioned. And there were even more of them in here.

You‘ve got to quit taking these Democratic talking points and using what they are saying to you.

MATTHEWS: No, I am using your talking points and asking you if you really believe them.

MILLER: Well, use John Kerry‘s talking points from the—from what he has had to say on the floor of the Senate, where he talked about them being occupiers, where he put out this whenever he was running for the U.S. Senate about what he wanted to cancel. Cancel to me means to do away with.

MATTHEWS: Well, what did you mean by the following.

MILLER: I think we ought to cancel this interview.

MATTHEWS: Well, I don‘t mean...

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Well, that would be my loss, Senator. That would be my loss.

Let me ask you about this, because I think you have a view on the role of reporters in the world. You have said and it has often been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. Was there not...

MILLER: Do you believe that?

MATTHEWS: Well, of course it‘s true.

MILLER: Do you believe that?

MATTHEWS: But it‘s a statement that nobody would have challenged. Why did you make it? It seems like no one would deny what you said. So what‘s your point?

MILLER: Well, it evidently got a rise out of you.

MATTHEWS: Well, I think it‘s a

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: Because you are a reporter.

MATTHEWS: That‘s right.

MILLER: You didn‘t have anything to do with freedom of the press.

MATTHEWS: Well, you could argue it was not nurses who defended the freedom of nursing. Why did you single out freedom of the press to say it was the soldiers that defended it and not the reporters? We all know that. Why did you say it?

MILLER: Well, because I thought it needed to be said at this particular time, because I wanted to come on...

MATTHEWS: Because you could get an applause line against the media at a conservative convention.

MILLER: No, I said it because it was—you‘re hopeless. I wish I was over there.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: In fact, I wish that we lived in—I wish we lived in the

day

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: I‘ve got to warn you, we are in a tough part of town over here.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: But I do recommend you come over, because I like you.

Let me tell you this.

MILLER: Chris.

MATTHEWS: If a Republican Senator broke ranks and—all right, I‘m sorry.

A Republican Senator broke ranks and came over and spoke for the Democrats, would you respect him?

MILLER: Yes, of course I would.

MATTHEWS: Why?

MILLER: I have seen that happen from time to time. Look, I believe...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: What does Jim Jeffords say to you?

MILLER: Wait a minute.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Jim Jeffords switched parties after getting elected.

MILLER: If you‘re going to ask a question...

MATTHEWS: Well, it‘s a tough question. It takes a few words.

MILLER: Get out of my face.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MILLER: If you are going to ask me a question, step back and let me answer.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Senator, please.

MILLER: You know, I wish we...

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MILLER: I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel.

(LAUGHTER)

MILLER: Now, that would be pretty good.

Don‘t ask me—don‘t pull that...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Can you can come over? I need you, Senator. Please come over.

MILLER: Wait a minute. Don‘t pull that kind of stuff on me, like you did that young lady when you had her there, browbeating her to death. I am not her. I am not her.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Let me tell you, she was suggesting that John Kerry purposely shot himself to win a medal. And I was trying to correct the record.

MILLER: You get in my face, I am going to get back in your face.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: The only reason you are doing it is because you are standing way over there in Herald Square.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Senator, Senator, can I speak softly to you? I would really like you to...

MILLER: What? No, no, no, because you won‘t give me a chance to answer. You ask these questions and then you just talk over what I am trying to answer, just like you did that woman the other day.

MATTHEWS: Well, Senator...

MILLER: I don‘t know why I even came on this program.

MATTHEWS: Well, I am glad you did.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this about John Kerry‘s war record.

MILLER: Well, are you going to shut up after you ask me?

(LAUGHTER)

MILLER: Or are you going to give me a chance to answer it?

MATTHEWS: Yes, sir.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: I am going to give you a chance to answer.

You used very strong words tonight about the Democratic candidate, much stronger than you are using with me. And they will be remembered a lot longer than anything you say to me now. So I am not really worried about what you say now, except that this country was promised unity after the last election by the president that you are supporting. And he urged the country to come together. Do you think you helped that cause tonight?

MILLER: I think I helped the cause of trying to tell the American people why John Kerry is unfit for the presidency and why we need to keep George W. Bush in as the president, because it‘s the way that we can keep this nation more secure and my family more safe.

MATTHEWS: Did I ask you about your role in the Democratic Party, because you have caused such a hit tonight, because you are a man of the Democratic Party? Long before this election, you had to watch as a Southern conservative the nomination by your party of people like George McGovern, Fritz Mondale, Jimmy Carter, liberal after liberal after liberal, including Mike Dukakis, perhaps the most liberal of them all. What caused you to cross the aisle tonight?

MILLER: By coming to Washington and seeing firsthand what a mess it is and how far out the Senate Democrats are.

They are off the chart as far as being with the mainstream of America. I think the straw that broke the camel‘s back was the homeland security measure, when, time after time, John Kerry and the Democrats put collective bargaining above homeland security. That did it for me.

MATTHEWS: Well, that did it for Max Cleland as well, didn‘t it?

MILLER: It surely did. And probably Jean Carnahan.

And nobody is to blame, except—well, they are to blame because they voted that way. But who is really to blame is Tom Daschle for insisting that they do it 11 times over a four-months period. It was dumb.

MATTHEWS: And, well, you could argue that it was politically dumb of Max Cleland to support the labor unions in Georgia against what looked like the national interests. My question is, is it good for America to impugn that vote as a vote against the security of this country?

MILLER: That vote was not impugned. He did not get defeated because of that ad that you like to talk about. You can‘t vote with Tom Daschle 85 percent of the time and be expected to be able to be reelected in Georgia. You know that much about Georgia and the South.

MATTHEWS: Well, sir, I also know the—and I completely agree with the need to get reelected as a statesman. Jefferson said the first order of a statesman was to get elected.

I am just wondering if you think tonight‘s speech and advertisements that show people like Max Cleland standing next to Saddam Hussein are helping bring this country together?

MILLER: That didn‘t have anything to do with Max Cleland‘s defeat.

We have already—we have already beat that dog to death.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Well, maybe the war did that, too.

But thank you very much for coming here tonight. I hope we can have a more civil conversation in closer terms. I would love you to come tonight. In fact, you can meet with Joe Scarborough, who will probably be nicer to you.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: But we will both try to get the truth out of the conversation.

And I feel bad that you are upset with me, Senator. I have never had this kind of a fight with you before.

MILLER: I know it.

MATTHEWS: I think you misheard me. But please come over tomorrow night. We‘ve got a convention ending.

And, by the way, you will help our ratings tremendously if you come over tomorrow night, because everybody thinks you are going to beat me up.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: But since somebody tried to do that last night, I don‘t think it‘s going to be a surprise.

WATTS: Hey, Chris, can I say

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: J.C. Watts wants to talk to you, Senator.

MILLER: All right.

WATTS: Hey, Senator, this is J.C. Watts.

MILLER: Hey, J.C.

WATTS: You can put your feet under my dinner table any day of the week.

(LAUGHTER)

MILLER: Thank you. Thank you.

MATTHEWS: Well, I guess everybody loves the senator.

MILLER: Good to be with you.

MATTHEWS: Hey, it‘s great having you on. Let‘s be friends. Let‘s be friends.

MILLER: See you later.

MATTHEWS: Thank you.
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AeroGod said:
Yes.

Its always a Lie. "OMFG THATS NOT MY OPINION IT MUST BE A LIE!!!

LOL

Polotics are so funny. We should go back to a monarchy with a king and queen and anyone who has anything to say can take it up with a guillotine. Founding fathers were wrong, England was right all along. What can we do to fix this. This is exactly why I usually stay out of polotics threads. A bunch of people who have no idea what they're talking about bitching and moaning.
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Uh, when you make a claim that can be disproved or qualified, you can be telling a lie. Examples: Kerry was against the war, but now supports it. Kerry says he'll support our troops, but voted against 87 billion in support. Hell.. why not let Daily Howler do the work for me.
 
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I'm laughing a little because of AeroGod's suggestion that since he himself is a Republican, he should agree with every point made by Miller. It's that kind of ignorance that makes this world a very sad place to live.

But I did see it. I thought it was good. Why? Because Im a Bush supporter. You didnt? Why? Because you're not. POLOTIKS!! DIFFERENT OPINIONS!!! OMG!!! Of course you people arnt going to like what he said. Its a different view then yours.
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That's really, really pathetic. An Austrian filmmaker just released a documentary wherein he travels the Midwest and interviews various blue-collar folk and questions them about the U.S.'s stance on the war in Iraq on and on Bush. Now, I at first thought this was a terrible thing to do -- to take advatange of these people who don't know what they're being used for. But since similar subjects -- Aerogod -- presumably live outside of these areas, I'm starting not to care.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/thisaintnoheartland/

Exploit them. I don't care. You guys are sick for not questioning our country's administration. Worse could be done.
 
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If anything the Miller speech did more harm than good for the Republicans it made them look really bad, I am halfway convinced that the Democrats set up Miller as a mole to infiltrate the GOP.
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I don't think so.

Just because you wish it to be the case doesn't make it so.

Miller being a Democrat and saying such harsh things about Kerry hurt Kerry, not Bush.

I love to see the panic on the left. The moment after Miller's speech I knew there was going to be major damage control back at GAF.

:lol
 
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I'm laughing a little because of AeroGod's suggestion that since he himself is a Republican, he should agree with every point made by Miller. It's that kind of ignorance that makes this world a very sad place to live.
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I dont agree with what he said, not everything. And im not even a republican nor am I democrat. The pure fact of the matter is that I dont give a shit about politics. I just like Bush. I think he's a cool guy. Something about him that I like, I dunno. Maybe I feel sorry for him because he got delt a shitty hand of cards.
 
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Zell Miller said:

Introduction of Senator John Kerry

Democratic Party of Georgia's
Jefferson-Jackson Dinner

March 1, 2001

It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.

I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.

I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.

My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend.

He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.

Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."

John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.

John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.

He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.

As many of you know, I have great affection – some might say an obsession – for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know … Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry.
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I'd like to see that blasted all over television, juxtaposed with last night's speech.
 
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The pure fact of the matter is that I dont give a shit about politics. I just like Bush. I think he's a cool guy. Something about him that I like, I dunno. Maybe I feel sorry for him because he got delt a shitty hand of cards.
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Are you serious?
 
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True, George is an awesome name. Plus it sucks that even though every business he touches turns to shit, he's still rich. That's a crap hand of cards.
 
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Quick, someone find a horrifying picture of Hilary and Edwards. Then maybe this thread will be more balanced. :p
 
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Cooter said:
I don't think so.

Just because you wish it to be the case doesn't make it so.

Miller being a Democrat and saying such harsh things about Kerry hurt Kerry, not Bush.

I love to see the panic on the left. The moment after Miller's speech I knew there was going to be major damage control back at GAF.

:lol
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Well, let's say we wait a day and see who's doing the damage control umkay? If you think Miller's performance last night caused panic among democrats you either understand very little about the 24 hour news cycle and American politics or are too blindly embedded in partisan politics to objectively analyse the consequences of that speech.


Whatever Giuliani and McCain did to boost Bush's candidacy has been undone by Miller and Cheney(to a smaller extent).
 
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Cooter

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Well, let's say we wait a day and see who's doing the damage control umkay? If you think Miller's performance last night caused panic among democrats you either understand very little about the 24 hour news cycle and American politics or are too blindly embedded in partisan politics to objectively analyse the consequences of that speech.
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I think you should take your own advice. Why don't you take a step back and give this some thought. Do you honestly think that anyone will be talking about Miller's speech yesterday after the President of the United States gives his tonight? Arnold's speech was terrific and just two days later it seems everyone has forgotten it.

It is the very fact that I understand the 24-hour news cycle that I know last nights speech is now a distant memory.

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cooter, are you living in reality?
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You people here are the one's living in a false reality. You take comfort that most of your fellow GA's agree with you totally unaware of the political landscape. Over 50% of American’s agree that going into Iraq was justified but only say 5% of people here do. The President's approval rating is above 50%, he is leading in every poll and 15 plus percent of the American people trust him over Kerry to handle terrorism yet many here act like the President is some extremist out of touch with the American people.

After this convention he will be up probably 5-7 percentage points and I don't see what Kerry can do to change that.

Start preparing yourself now for a Bush victory in November.
 
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AeroGod

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RedDwarf said:
Are you serious?
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Yes. 100% serious. I dont give a shit. Look at all the time you guys waste here talking about shit, as if anyone gived a shit what you the lowly American citzens had to say. You bitch and moan at each other and it serves no purpose and means nothing. You think Bush cares? You think Kerry cares? No they dont, but they'll pretend they do to get your vote then once they get it they'll turn around an fuck you in the ass. Democrats, Republicans, all the same shit, its all politics and everyone one of them is a piece of shit. They think they're right and you're wrong. Politics are a waste of my time. Just do whatever I dont really care, just dont fuck up my life to much. And they havnt yet. Once the enemy forces are storming the streets of Cleveland with tanks and armed men killing Americans then Ill start to care a little more. My life in 2004 almost the same as it was in 2000, even with all this shit going on. By that, to me, Bus hhas doen an okay job. If he does that for another 4, who cares.
 
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Incognito

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When asked about Miller's speech Thursday, Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards told CNN: "I thought it was sad, honestly."

"If you listen to Senator Miller's speech and the vice president's speech, you know, there was an awful lot of focus and angry rhetoric about Senator Kerry," Edwards said.

"It would be nice for them to have a little more anger about, you know, the 5 million people who have lost their healthcare coverage while President Bush has been in office, 4 million people who have fallen into poverty, and almost 2 million who lost their private sector jobs -- typical families' income is down $1,500."
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hrmmm.

and :lol :lol @ AeroGod.
 
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AeroGod

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RedDwarf said:
True, George is an awesome name. Plus it sucks that even though every business he touches turns to shit, he's still rich. That's a crap hand of cards.
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No the crap hand of card would be the terrorist attacks and this war. Clinton sits on his fat cat ass during the internet revolution and he gets credit and a few blow jobs. Bush steps in and shit starts happening. Half the people in the US turn on him even though they dont know jack shit about politics, but he heart of the 60's and 70's still burn in them so bust out the guitars and tie-dyed shits for another war-time president.
 
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Incognito

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Bush steps in and shit starts happening.
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"...the 5 million people who have lost their healthcare coverage while President Bush has been in office, 4 million people who have fallen into poverty, and almost 2 million who lost their private sector jobs -- typical families' income is down $1,500.
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yep!
 
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Che

Banned
AeroGod said:
The pure fact of the matter is that I dont give a shit about politics. I just like Bush. I think he's a cool guy. Something about him that I like, I dunno. Maybe I feel sorry for him because he got delt a shitty hand of cards.
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There have been said some very harsh words about the Republicans to make them look stupid in these forums, but I think you made Republicans look more stupid than ever by saying that. And since I don't like them I have to thank you.
 
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Chesapeake Silt

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PISTOLS AT DAWN!

But, really, don't we ALL wish we lived in the time when you could challege a person to a duel? Because we'd all be wearing those slick early 19th century clothes and exchanging witty banter in some girl's parlor instead of posting on a message board. And DUELS! Hadn't duels basically evolved into a formality by the time of Hamilton / Burr? Like, both dudes would fire into the air but pretend like they had both randomly missed. And that would settle things, and all the girls would think you were a pimp for having the balls to get into a duel? Man, duels are fucking awesome. Zell Miller was right!
 
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AeroGod

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Che said:
There have been said some very harch words about the Republicans in this forum to make them look stupid, but I think you made Republicans look more stupid than ever by saying that. And since I don't like them I have to thank you.
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But you see...you see. .....what you fail to realize is that I am not a Republican. As ive said. The large majority of Republicans like Cheaney and Condeleeza "beans with" Rice I find intollerable.
 
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cvkpaladin

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I'm just saying, when your party needs to coin a term like compassionate conservative, you know something is fucking wrong with how people are viewing your party. Now, I'm not exactly the most poilitcal person, far from it, but I do know when people are fucking up. And when some guy says,

Miller: I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel.
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you know someone is fucking up.
 
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