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The faces of Compassionate Conservatism
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AeroGod said:
Usually when I read posts like this one I get furious. Strangelly the only thing I feel right now is regret, for you and your country which has people thinking like you.
edit You were joking? That explains it. The funny thing is that I've read things like that by idiots that weren't joking.
Cooter said:
MSNBC: "WASHINGTON - The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found no credible evidence of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States."
CNN: "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Disputing anew an assertion by the Bush administration, the independent commission investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, released a statement Tuesday indicating that it stands by its conclusion that al Qaeda and Iraq had only limited connections."
The Washington Post: "The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq."
Bastion of the Liberal Media, Fox News: "WASHINGTON Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was "no credible evidence" that Saddam Hussein helped Al Qaeda target the United States." To be fair, Fox followed up shortly thereafter with editorials such as 9/11 Commission Fails to Connect Terror Dots.
FnordChan
Terroism isn't the biggest issue of this election. Quite frankly, the chances of the average American getting blown up is probably still lower than getting struck by lightning. As long as the current administration keeps terrorism in the spotlight, though, they can keep the public scared. What good is the terror alert gauge anyway? Low voter turnout helps Republicans, because the majority don't vote Republican.
Loved Cheney's line about GW won't ask permission to defend America. Hey dumbass, was Hussein really a threat to America, or did we invade and occupy because he had a nice spot of land on the map to demonstrate control over and Bin Laden doesn't? Exactly when did the bait'n'switch happen anyway that made Hussien responsible for 9/11? How many terrorist cells did we disrupt invading Iraq? How many more did we create?
Loved Cheney's line about GW won't ask permission to defend America. Hey dumbass, was Hussein really a threat to America, or did we invade and occupy because he had a nice spot of land on the map to demonstrate control over and Bin Laden doesn't? Exactly when did the bait'n'switch happen anyway that made Hussien responsible for 9/11? How many terrorist cells did we disrupt invading Iraq? How many more did we create?
MrPing1000
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people with flip-flops, poking fun at the opposition, christian fundelmentalists spewing propaganda. The news presenter overhere seemed as bemused as his audience (and he did say only in america as well 
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the rest of the world just gave a collective WTF? This kinda crap just wudn't happen anywhere else. Only in America indeed.
)the rest of the world just gave a collective WTF? This kinda crap just wudn't happen anywhere else. Only in America indeed.
We are faced with the horrific reality that a nuclear bomb could hit a major city and kill hundreds of thousands and many here say terrorism isn't the biggest issue of the campaign.
This isn't playing on peoples fears this is our reality.
Either you choose to ignore it or you purposely try and downplay it.
Both are equally scary IMO.
I think both candidates have clearly represented their views on the issue.
Now it is time to see whom the American people believe.
This isn't playing on peoples fears this is our reality.
Either you choose to ignore it or you purposely try and downplay it.
Both are equally scary IMO.
I think both candidates have clearly represented their views on the issue.
Now it is time to see whom the American people believe.
DJ Demon J
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Cooter said:
:lol
sorry
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol (Am I pissing you off yet? Good.)
So this "horrific reality" just all of a sudden up and happened since 9/11? It didn't exist before, like say maybe February 2001? Oooh, how about March 1999? :rolleyes
If you believe every last thing the Bush administration, hell, ANY US presidential administration tells you, you're not doing what the founding fathers of the US hoped for...they viewed it as not just our right, but our duty to question the government's actions. For if it were not for the colonist's questioning the British Crown's actions in the colony, there would be no US today.
Are smilies supposed to piss me off?
NK will not attack us directly but they can hand off or sell nukes to Al-Qaeda.
We had never suffered such casualties on our soil until 9/11 so yes, after that dreaded day it did become more real. We saw that we are facing an enemy that was capable and willing to murder hundreds of thousands.
And to clear up, Al-Qaeda is not all talk and should be taken seriously.
NK will not attack us directly but they can hand off or sell nukes to Al-Qaeda.
We had never suffered such casualties on our soil until 9/11 so yes, after that dreaded day it did become more real. We saw that we are facing an enemy that was capable and willing to murder hundreds of thousands.
And to clear up, Al-Qaeda is not all talk and should be taken seriously.
B-B-Bomba!
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Surgery is shocking violence, done to the human body for its own benefit. Scientific technique is the gentle refinement of violence to the point where one can choose ones effect, beneficial, deleterious, or any shade in between.
The same applies to politics, being the management of social power. It was always ugly, and it still is; its methods have simply become microscopic. I struggle to see where one can do any good in the world. We all need individual help to be strong, and this is where spirituality swoops down to our racked, crucified souls, and envelops them in heart-breaking beautiful blue love.
Religion be damned for the arse-end of maddening medieval thinking it truly is. Get up, stand up!
The same applies to politics, being the management of social power. It was always ugly, and it still is; its methods have simply become microscopic. I struggle to see where one can do any good in the world. We all need individual help to be strong, and this is where spirituality swoops down to our racked, crucified souls, and envelops them in heart-breaking beautiful blue love.
Religion be damned for the arse-end of maddening medieval thinking it truly is. Get up, stand up!
Father_Brain
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Bizarro Sun Yat-sen
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The horriffic danger of nuclear terrorism is exactly why I hope to God Bush won't be reelected.
DJ Demon J
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Cooter said:
Shit I could've sworn I remember hearing about something called Pearl Harbor back in the 40s.
We got extremely fortunate that the death count was so low Hito.
It could have been over 10,000 quite easily.
Not that 3,000 people is low but in perspective it is better than 15,000 or higher.
They want to kill as many Americans as possible Hito. I dont think that is a stretch to say.
Yes, they would also like to damage our economy but the two go hand in hand.
Be back soon.
It could have been over 10,000 quite easily.
Not that 3,000 people is low but in perspective it is better than 15,000 or higher.
They want to kill as many Americans as possible Hito. I dont think that is a stretch to say.
Yes, they would also like to damage our economy but the two go hand in hand.
Be back soon.
Manabanana
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AeroGod has sure posted a lot for not "giving a shit." From what I can tell he's given lots and lots of shits in this thread. *shrug*
DJ Demon J
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Fifty said:
So I guess Hawaii's not a part of the US then?
The capital of the United States has been BURNED TO THE GROUND by foreign invaders before.Cooter said:
This isn't exactly something totally new in American history. It was just that it had been so long that we had completely forgotten what it was like, but the threat was never less real before 9/11 nor is it more real after 9/11. You, and the entire rest of America, simply forgot about the danger since the Cold War ended.
evil solrac v3.0
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what i have gleamed from this topic
aerogod is a backpedalling moron who flip[-flops whenever people own him.
duels shouls replace forums
zell miller could bediablo: lord of destruction in disguise
terrorist wanted to make a point about the wealth and decadence of the west and how muslims will not be exploited anymore.
aerogod is a backpedalling moron who flip[-flops whenever people own him.
duels shouls replace forums
zell miller could bediablo: lord of destruction in disguise
terrorist wanted to make a point about the wealth and decadence of the west and how muslims will not be exploited anymore.
BigGreenMat
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AeroGod said:
Are you freaking kidding me? Really is your memory that bad? First he didn't win the popular election and was a guaranteed one term president. Then 9/11 happened and he essentially got a 'do whatever you think is necessary' card for nearly 2 years, and frankly the results have sucked and he blew the greatest chance to rectify mistakes and problems in our history. He was given the most unified and directive following congress in memory, if not ever and he squandered it. If you are given the greatest amount of power and continue to fail then change is needed.
I'm sorry, but that is paranoid ranting at its finest.Cooter said:
People are blowing the threat of terrorism WAY out of proportion. The facts are -- as regrettable and tragic as the attacks might have been -- less than 3,000 people died in the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. However, over 40,000 people die per year in car accidents. How come we aren't fighting a "war on unsafe drivers?" Where is the "war on heart disease?" If the goal is to keep American lives safe, then our priorities are DEEPLY fucked up as a nation.
Second, do you want to guess what the second-deadliest terrorist attack was on American soil? That's right -- the Oklahoma City bombing. Want to guess who was to blame? Hint: It's not Al Qaeda.
Terrorism is a fact of life in the world, and all countries are susceptible to attack. The only threat on the horizon is NOT Muslim extremism, though it's certainly a concern. This administration simply doesn't get it -- we have been lucky for a long time to be relatively isolated from the rest of the world, but we are NOT any different from anyone else, and we have enemies that we don't even know about yet until the next strike. You can't win a war when there are no defined targets and no defined exit criteria -- calling our military action a "war" on terrorism is Newspeak at its finest. Sadly, we pioneered it with the "war" on drugs. Tell me how THAT one is turning out.
So we have a President who is pursuing a fool's errand, and ignoring REAL domestic issues like, say, the economy, healthcare, Social Security....you know, those pesky things that ACTUALLY affect people. So who exactly is "downplaying" here?
Oh, certainly Al Qaeda would like NBC weaponry. Of course, other "bad guys" around the world are also trying to acquire them. Are you so sure that you know who all of them are? And, of course, NBC weaponry is NOT required to do a lot of harm -- "boring old explosives" work just as well, and are far more accessible. NBC stuff is hard to acquire, hard to make, hard to handle, and hard to deploy effectively. If they are such a threat -- and have been around for so long -- then how come they haven't been used anywhere else in the world to cause mass casualties? Yeah, there was a sarin attack in Japan...and the number of deaths was small, and aside from the scare factor, wasn't particularly effective.Cooter said:
My argument is this: So fucking WHAT if Al Qaeda gets them? Terrorism is NOT the biggest threat to American lives that we face. It's a blown-up issue, because people are more easily controlled by fear...and that's EXACTLY what is happening now, control.
There were an awful lot of nations which signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and several nations announced themselves as nuclear powers afterwards. Do you honestly think that it's possible to KEEP any arbitrary technology from the bad guys? If so, I think you're kidding yourself.
DJ Demon J
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Fifty said:
Oh please you and xsarien STFU. Of course it wasn't part of the US back then but does that matter? It was still a direct attack on the US. Jesus Christ, the point is that Cooter is trying to say that all of a sudden nuclear attacks can happen at anytime after 9/11. That's Cold War thinking, and it's idiotic.
DJ Demon J
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Ah, ok, nm then.
...Of course Hawaii was part of the US back then. It wasnt a state, but it was a territory, as is Porto Rico, the NMI, American Somoa, Gaum, and the Virgin Islands (US.) Those people are American citizens.DJ Demon J said:
And anyway, you all are forgetting the Civil War, a.k.a. the costliest war in American history. So far, no foreign power has been able to equal the ability of Americans to kill one another.
Ugh. Therefore you support Bush?AeroGod said:
It's your absolute right to see the government in that light, but it adds up to a very big problem for some of us that are actually concerned about the future and incidents outside of America.
There's so much that you've said that I'd like to just rip you apart for. You really must join the throngs of those indifferent and stay clear away from telling anyone what you think. "Who cares?" Keep it to that. And don't support anyone. Just be comfortably ignorant. Seriously.
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