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The faces of Compassionate Conservatism

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FnordChan

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Chesapeake Silt said:
But, really, don't we ALL wish we lived in the time when you could challege a person to a duel? Because we'd all be wearing those slick early 19th century clothes and exchanging witty banter in some girl's parlor instead of posting on a message board.

Nonsense. After all, we've evolved beyond the need for dueling with our efficient, modern-day methods of conflict resolution.

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Shit, you're right. Dueling it is!

FnordChan
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
You people here are the one's living in a false reality. You take comfort that most of your fellow GA's agree with you totally unaware of the political landscape. Over 50% of American’s agree that going into Iraq was justified but only say 5% of people here do. The President's approval rating is above 50%, he is leading in every poll and 15 plus percent of the American people trust him over Kerry to handle terrorism yet many here act like the President is some extremist out of touch with the American people.
Reality check:

1. Most people now think Iraq was a mistake.
2. National polls have no meaning, but even if they did the statistical tie continues. (That being said, bush has a slight edge on the electoral map currently)
3. http://www.zogby.com/images/fp/081404.gif
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3876748
4. The true depth of his out-of-touchness is shown in his domestic rhetoric. Yeah, that's right, there's more than terrorism out there.
 

AeroGod

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RedDwarf said:
Well there is stupidity in this thread, I don't think it's democratic though.

Yes im stupid because I dont flex my awesome political muscle of knowledge. EVERYTHING MILLER SAYS IS A LIE!! IM AWESOME!! SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME@!!!!

Give me a f'n break. I dont care what you people think of me or my views(or lack of). You're like jackals that feed of of anyone that isnt like you/ OHH LOOK THAT PERSON ISNT A DEMOCRAT LETS ARGUE WITH THEM ON FORUMS!!!
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
AeroGod said:
Yes im stupid because I dont flex my awesome political muscle of knowledge. EVERYTHING MILLER SAYS IS A LIE!! IM AWESOME!! SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME@!!!!

Give me a f'n break. I dont care what you people think of me or my views(or lack of). You're like jackals that feed of of anyone that isnt like you/ OHH LOOK THAT PERSON ISNT A DEMOCRAT LETS ARGUE WITH THEM ON FORUMS!!!
You'd wouldn't be pounced on if you actually had an argument.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
And you think that wasnt caused somewhat by one of the biggest financial infrastructres in the world falling to the ground in a jet fueled fire.

What's so funny about that Half Past? September Eleventh had a lot to do with hurting our economy.

The stock market fell, confidence fell and Government spending increased.

You haven't responded to my post. Can I conclude you now realize that it is you not living in reality?
 

AeroGod

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HalfPastNoon said:
how did the collapse of the two towers result in the aforementioned losses?

The economy is fucked up for many reasons. But if you dont believe that 9/11 had at least a part to do with it....well I cant do anything for you you're beyond all hope.
 

capslock

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AeroGod said:
Yes im stupid because I dont flex my awesome political muscle of knowledge. EVERYTHING MILLER SAYS IS A LIE!! IM AWESOME!! SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME@!!!!

Give me a f'n break. I dont care what you people think of me or my views(or lack of). You're like jackals that feed of of anyone that isnt like you/ OHH LOOK THAT PERSON ISNT A DEMOCRAT LETS ARGUE WITH THEM ON FORUMS!!!


You're hurting your own cause...
 

RedDwarf

Smegging smeg of a smeg!
EVERYTHING MILLER SAYS IS A LIE!! IM AWESOME!! SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME@!!!!

Where did I say anything about Miller? You started picking on Democrats, realized you had no knowledge of politics and tried to back out by saying you don't care, but couldn't just leave... you to had say there was something cool about Bush. That's when I stepped in. Sorry, I couldn't leave that alone. :)
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Cooter said:
What's so funny about that Half Past? September Eleventh had a lot to do with hurting our economy.

The stock market fell, confidence fell and Government spending increased.
What about those tax cuts Bush was pushing for since 2000? How about all the money sent to Iraq?

9/11 didn't cause our record-breaking deficit.
 
Cooter said:
What's so funny about that Half Past? September Eleventh had a lot to do with hurting our economy.

The stock market fell, confidence fell and Government spending increased.

You haven't responded to my post. Can I conclude you now realize that it is you not living in reality?

two towers collapsing, causing the deaths of over 3,000 people somehow resulted in the loss of mass jobs, healthcare, and more people spiraling into poverty?

explain to me how that works.
 

SyNapSe

Member
HalfPastNoon said:
how did the collapse of the two towers result in the aforementioned losses?

...

Ok, I'm not a Bush supporter nor a Republican, but if you honestly believe the Attack on the Twin Towers didn't have a negative impact on our economy causing people to lose jobs and benefits.. well, I'd wonder if you were blind yourself.

I think people here kept on spending at a pretty decent clip, but quit investing in the stock market. It caused companies to get antsy and nervous. Thus layoffs happened do to lower income for the companies, and some probably just went through and trimmed the fat. Sometimes jobs get created, and become unecessary.. If a company is making good money and the finacial future looks good they may not be looking to cut extraneous jobs all the time.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Of course 9/11 had a great negative impact on the economy, but to elevate the event to catch-all bogeyman upon which all may be blamed is absurd.
 

AeroGod

Member
RedDwarf said:
Where did I say anything about Miller? You started picking on Democrats, realized you had no knowledge of politics and tried to back out by saying you don't care, but couldn't just leave... you to had say there was something cool about Bush. That's when I stepped in. Sorry, I couldn't leave that alone. :)

Where did I attack democrats. I attack all political parties all the times for no reason. I have no affiliation and I dont care. Im the typical American idiot. ANd yes Bush is cool. Kerry is cool too because he has extreme windboarding skillz. Edwards is awesome too because he is young and I think he has hot daughters, i dunno.

If you dont like Bush Im glad for you, your forming your own opinions. You're living the American dream. If I could give you a cookies, I would, but I cant because I dont know where you live and even If I did mailing you a cookie would be pointless.
 
Hitokage said:
Of course 9/11 had a great negative impact on the economy, but to elevate the event to catch-all bogeyman upon which all may be blamed is absurd.

exactly. i'm not saying that 9/11 had NO IMPACT, i'm simply gettign across that it had nowhere near the impact that caused such a significant amount of losses. somewhere along the line, bush's policies have to come in play.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Reality check:

1. Most people now think Iraq was a mistake.
2. National polls have no meaning, but even if they did the statistical tie continues. (That being said, bush has a slight edge on the electoral map currently)
3. http://www.zogby.com/images/fp/081404.gif
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3876748
4. The true depth of his out-of-touchness is shown in his domestic rhetoric. Yeah, that's right, there's more than terrorism out there.

1. not true, the majority of polls suggest otherwise.
2. Of course they have no meaning when Bush is is ahead and clearly has momentum.
3. Zogby is the only poll that has Bush's approval below 50 and your kidding me about a NPR poll. Go look at Gallup, Ramussen, Washington Post, La Times, ect.
4. Guess what Hito, terrorism is the most important issue in this campaign. Besides, this economy is growing and Bush has done all he could to encourage its growth. As you know Presidents have little to do with an economy.
 

SyNapSe

Member
Hitokage said:
Of course 9/11 had a great negative impact on the economy, but to elevate the event to catch-all bogeyman upon which all may be blamed is absurd.

I wouldn't argue that, but HalfPastNoon was posting as if 9/11 had absolutely no effect on the economy. Which is pretty unfair.
 

Che

Banned
AeroGod said:
Yes im stupid because I dont flex my awesome political muscle of knowledge. EVERYTHING MILLER SAYS IS A LIE!! IM AWESOME!! SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME@!!!!

Give me a f'n break. I dont care what you people think of me or my views(or lack of). You're like jackals that feed of of anyone that isnt like you/ OHH LOOK THAT PERSON ISNT A DEMOCRAT LETS ARGUE WITH THEM ON FORUMS!!!

Calm down man. I understand you. It's simple, you don't give a shit about politics but you like Bush, cause there is something likable about him. It's pure logic.
 
SyNapSe said:
I wouldn't argue that, but HalfPastNoon was posting as if 9/11 had absolutely no effect on the economy. Which is pretty unfair.

sorry for the confusion; should have worded better.
 

AeroGod

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Che said:
Calm down man. I understand you. It's simple, you don't give a shit about politics but you like Bush, cause there is something likable about him. It's pure logic.

Im sorry. HalfPastNoon is just being really mean to me and Im about to cry. The emotions in this thread...almost too much..for me *sob*
 
I'm not a religious man by any means, but I pray for the day when all these old (mostly Southern) white men born in a time before US civil rights are all dead and have no influence in the world's affairs anymore.

Watching that Zell Miller clip (thank you to whomever posted the link), he reminds me of a southern minister going on and on about how you're going to hell if you don't repent and fear God and praise Jesus (oh, and donate all your money to the church so he can have his way with prostitutes and support his coke habit).
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Cooter said:
1. not true, the majority of polls suggest otherwise.
2. Of course they have no meaning when Bush is is ahead and clearly has momentum.
3. Zogby is the only poll that has Bush's approval below 50 and your kidding me about a NPR poll. Go look at Gallup, Ramussen, Washington Post, La Times, ect.
4. Guess what Hito, terrorism is the most important issue in this campaign. Besides, this economy is growing and Bush has done all he could to encourage its growth. As you know Presidents have little to do with an economy.
1. http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aVqJwLuCXgQo&refer=us
2. Ad hominem, I suggest you not do that again.
3. My point was that the data doesn't all agree, which happens with margin of error fun. :p
4. http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm
 
My issue with Bush isn't that the economky is in the tank-- that would have happened regardless. The late 90's were built on a very fragile bubble, and when those pop it's always nasty.

No, my issue is how he's responding to it-- he isn't. 3 years later and we're deficit spending like mad to support a war fueled (emotionally, at least) by a terrorist attack that had nothing to do with the country we're at war with.

That's whay I'm on the anybody-but-Bush platform.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Hey, Bush has spent more than a third of his presidency on vacation.

Since he enjoys not working so much, I'm just going to help him take a permanent one.

This is just retarded. The President is always on the job. That fact that he is not in the White House doesn't mean he is on vacation.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
BTW, I meant to say most people dissaprove of the Iraq war, not that most people now think the war itself was a mistake. Subtle, but important distinction.
 

FnordChan

Member
Re: "1. Most people now think Iraq was a mistake."
Cooter said:
1. not true, the majority of polls suggest otherwise.

University of Pennsylvania National Annenberg Election Survey. Aug. 9-29, 2004. N=5,146 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 1. Interviewing conducted by Schulman, Ronca, Bucuvalas, Inc.

"All in all, do you think the situation in Iraq was worth going to war over, or not?"

Worth It Not Worth It
% %
8/9-29/04 44 51
7/30 - 8/5/04 45 52
7/5-25/04 43 53

Among ALL adults:
6/16-30/04 41 52
4/1-14/04 43 51
3/1-15/04 46 49

FnordChan
 

SyNapSe

Member
Cooter said:
This is just retarded. The President is always on the job. That fact that he is not in the White House doesn't mean he is on vacation.

Hey, that's a lot of damn days away from the white house. 40% of the time!? I'm sure he can video conference with people from any of those locations, but c'mon.. Camp David is a retreat.

On second thought.. they don't list how many of those days are Weekends.. The president deservers some weekends off, obviously :) I guess you would need a better breakdown, but 40% of his days in office at the Ranch, Camp David, or the spot in Maine is quite a bit.
 

carpal

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AeroGod said:
I have no affiliation and I dont care. Im the typical American idiot. ANd yes Bush is cool. Kerry is cool too because he has extreme windboarding skillz. Edwards is awesome too because he is young and I think he has hot daughters, i dunno.

Fuck! This is the reason we have to be worried about a reelection?
 

Celicar

Banned
I love those two guys. Miller gave an AWESOME speech last night. I loved every second of it. He is cool in my book.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Worth It Not Worth It
% %
8/9-29/04 44 51
7/30 - 8/5/04 45 52
7/5-25/04 43 53

Among ALL adults:
6/16-30/04 41 52
4/1-14/04 43 51
3/1-15/04 46 49


I'm not going to state which side I think is correct on the War against Iraq, but I do have to say that polls (and most statistics in general) don't represent the actual picture. This is especially true when such polls are as close together as the ones you posted.
 
I like these threads. I don't think very many people ever succeed at nailing home a point, but the overall effect is generally enlightening.




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Actually those 50/50 polls are always done among LIKELY VOTERS. There's a whole lot of people who don't vote, and they aren't all under 18. Most people in America do vote more on the liberal side of the issues than not. Neo-Conservatives have taken over the Republican side of issues, and have gotten stronger. The Democrats have made themselves weaker, and want to pretend to be more 'center'. But I think it will be true that this year the number of voters in the election will see a huge rise over other election years.
 
enjoy bell woods said:
Zell Miller said:

I'd like to see that blasted all over television, juxtaposed with last night's speech.
That Blitzer bit pasted above had a part about this.

GREENFIELD: Then why did you say in 2001 that he strengthened the military? You said that three years ago.

MILLER: Because that was the biographical sketch that they gave me. This young senator -- not young senator, but new senator had come up there, and all I knew was that this man had won the Purple Heart three times and won the Silver Star and...

Cooter said:
The President's approval rating is above 50%, he is leading in every poll and 15 plus percent of the American people trust him over Kerry to handle terrorism yet many here act like the President is some extremist out of touch with the American people.
Just because you can convince people you're in touch with them doesn't make it so.

AeroGod said:
Yes im stupid because I dont flex my awesome political muscle of knowledge. EVERYTHING MILLER SAYS IS A LIE!! IM AWESOME!! SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME@!!!!
Come on, man, cool off. I don't see, though, how you can place trying to stay informed in the issues lower than liking a speech because you like another man you admit will "fuck you in the ass".
 
Cooter said:
This is just retarded. The President is always on the job. That fact that he is not in the White House doesn't mean he is on vacation.

Did you read the link?

"Vacation gibes are usually unfair. But with the situation in Iraq so critical, shouldn't the president be at the White House? It's a full-time job, comes with a decent salary."

Bush really is on vacation. Reuters reports April, 9, 2004, that "Hunters, Conservationists Get Tour of Bush Ranch".

Meanwhile, in late March 2004, there began a Shiite Muslim uprising in Iraq and steadily deteriorating situation marked by the development of a unification of Shiites and Sunnis in resistance.

On April 10, 2004, the Washington Post's Dan Balz and Jim VandeHei call attention to the fact that "Bush's Low Profile Questioned as Violence Flares in Iraq".

This is from a year ago, but you'll get the idea:

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20031001.html

According to an August 2003 article in the Washington Post, President Bush has spent all or part of 166 days during his presidency at his Crawford, Texas, ranch or en route. Add the time spent at or en route to the presidential retreat of Camp David and at the Bush family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."

What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS News.

And in barely three years in office, George W. Bush has already taken more vacation than Clinton did in seven years.
 

AeroGod

Member
Celicar said:
I love those two guys. Miller gave an AWESOME speech last night. I loved every second of it. He is cool in my book.


Yeah. Miller should run for president. Thats what we need. A real Hard Ass president. One who wont take shit from nobody, its his way or the highway. He doesnt veto with a pen, he does it with a 2x4 upside your head. Think 1/4 The Rock, 1/4 Patton, 1/4 Charles Manson because he's likely to do that shit, and 1/4 Chris Rock so he cracks white people jokes in the State of the Union Address just out of spite. What an awesome president. No Tax breaks or cuts either, he'll tax you 80% of your income like or not, or its the 2x4 son. Then he'll use the tax money to buy more bombs and throw keg parties at the white house. You got a problem, then its the 2x4 son. No Rules of Engagement either. We'll roll into Baghdad and with flame throwers, machine guns and MechWarriors set to auto-fire. Then we'll take all the oil for ourselves, we dont care becuz our President is the bad ass. If the UN bitches, its a 2x4 for eveyone. Or actually its like the .6 x 1.6 because they use the lame ass metric system. All the other coutries will complain because they have lame ass parliments and they dont have cool President like us.

Thats my America. Once I get a President ike this, Politics will become my religion
 

tedtropy

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heavy liquid said:
What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS News.

And in barely three years in office, George W. Bush has already taken more vacation than Clinton did in seven years.

Well, in all fairness, Clinton was getting blown IN office, so he probably didn't need to take as many breaks from it. ;)
 
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