bitbydeath
Member
He at least gave him a chance.
John's been thrown to the wolves from the get-go. His only support was Lemar.
John's been thrown to the wolves from the get-go. His only support was Lemar.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
...and the entire United States Government and Military, the press, the people, and perks like the ability to freely use a get out of jail free card for anyone he pleases.
Thrown to the wolves? The man has been coddled like a baby ever since being given the mantle, especially since he's exactly what the U.S. Government wanted, a yes man. He would have gladly left Bucky in a maximum security prison during Civil War and Zemo would have gotten away scott free.
Since you seem to like and defend his character so much, why not like a better former-soldier, gray-area, anti-hero like The Punisher? Not this fool.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
It's fine to feel that way about Sam and Bucky, but John clearly meant no offense, so for Sam and the audience to brush him off, when context shows he is trying to live up to Cap's ideals, seems overactive.
I'm not negating, or rather, misunderstanding Sam and Bucky by saying that. I just think the reaction is blown out of proportion.
bitbydeath
Member
Maybe you've read the comics and are expecting that stuff to go on behind the scenes. As a non-reader it looks like he's been treated as a joke by everyone the entire time.
The Punisher isn't in the MCU yet.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
Okay this show officially became awesome in the last 60 seconds of ep 4. It was a slow burn but now it all makes sense. Kind of like how I wasn't that into Wandavision the first 2 episodes but now I love them dearly.
BouncyFrag
Member
'What's with all the knives?'
Bucky then shows him.
The ending left me legit shook.
Bucky then shows him.
The ending left me legit shook.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
In the MCU it's okay for ladies to go splat off of a cliff but not splat
on a Shield?
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They aren't going to kill off the primary villain of the show in the middle episode.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
KO7
Member
Goodness me, what an episode! Florence Kasumba was great in this too. Loved the opening scene, the middle fight scene, and the ending of course. Spectacular stuff. I must have paused and then rewatched that opening scene at least 4 times before continuing the rest of the episode; so beautifully done, with multiple emotions conveyed perfectly over just a few minutes.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
Why are you scouring youtube for comments to make you upset? Why are you even looking at youtube comments at all?
pel1300
Member
Looks like you are the upset one.
Why are you scouring youtube for comments to make you upset? Why are you even looking at youtube comments at all?
This is just like how the only ones upset about the Red Skull and Jordan Peterson are activists who know it all backfired.
pramod
Banned
The show is ok, but i feel like its trying to do way too much. So many charactera and subplots being thrown at us. Whereas Wandavision was like the opposite sort of like a slow burn. I still dont know what is the ultimate goal of the Flag Smashers or how they are going to accomplish it. I think Sam is right in that their goal is noble but violence isnt the way to get you there. They need to organize politically not try to blow up buildings.
bitbydeath
Member
Yeah, agree about the flag smashers. (Stupid name too) The red head seems more like a child than a leader that has no idea what she's doing.
1. Steal Super Soldier Serum
2. Create Super Strong Army
3. Burn People Alive For Attention
4. ...
5. Profit!
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
No you misunderstand, I'm not upset lol. I'm trying to help you. Don't bother reading youtube comments unless you're actively trying to anger yourself. It would be like going to twitter and searching up hashtags you dislike. Who would do that? It's not worth the trouble.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
Both can be bad. He looks like one of those knockoff toys you see sometimes that kind of looks like a character you might know, but something is off and cheap.
pel1300
Member
Have to say Sharon Carter feels like a different character. I feel like if the Russo brothers were in charge of this she would have been more likable.
It's almost kind of 4th wall breaking - Marvel failed to include her in Infinity War and Endgame.....so they just come up with this whole "Uh yeah all the Avengers just forgot about her and let her become a fugitive and she's pissed off".
Zemo also feels different. Like comic relief. It's like they are trying to make him into Loki 2.0.
Hate to be negative but I'm just not feeling it. The Winter Soldier and Civil War had me at the edge of my seat. This show is just.....mediocre. Tonally all over the places - at times it feels really Disney, at others a bit dark. I feel that Daredevil netflix puts it to shame.
It's almost kind of 4th wall breaking - Marvel failed to include her in Infinity War and Endgame.....so they just come up with this whole "Uh yeah all the Avengers just forgot about her and let her become a fugitive and she's pissed off".
Zemo also feels different. Like comic relief. It's like they are trying to make him into Loki 2.0.
Hate to be negative but I'm just not feeling it. The Winter Soldier and Civil War had me at the edge of my seat. This show is just.....mediocre. Tonally all over the places - at times it feels really Disney, at others a bit dark. I feel that Daredevil netflix puts it to shame.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
To be fair... the show doesn't have the same writers as WS, CW, Infinity War and Endgame... neither do they have the same directors. And that's ok. I'm actually looking forward to each episode. I get that you and others aren't. And that's perfectly valid.
sol_bad
Member
Sharon and Zemo didn't really have any characterisation in the movies either so we didn't know them. Most of Zemo's time on screen in Civil War was either him scheming or carrying out a task, it wasn't until he talked to Black Panther at the end that we started to learn a bit about him. Add to that the 7 year gap between Civil War and this show.
People change over time.
Sharon has been on the run for life so it make sense for her to harden up. And Zemo has had 7 years to come to grips with what happened to his family and accept it. He obviously still has issues as he doesn't hesitate to kill Nagel for example and his intelligence still shines through via him withholding info from Sam and Bucky as an example but he is a changed man.
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Filth
Member
I agree about zemo and sharon. i think the show is good but those two characters are not at all the same from the originals ones we watched.
TriSuit666
Banned
They ALL feel like different charcters. One of the reasons I've stopped watching it.
It'll come out the writers have never read the books, I'm sure.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
I'm curious, what did you know about Zemo's personality in Civil War? His likes and dislikes? Did that movie even tell you that he's a baron? Did you watch some cut of the movie that others didn't?
Hotty Botty
Member
Some people just have a need to feel offended. That kind of shit belongs on ResetEra.
Why are you scouring youtube for comments to make you upset? Why are you even looking at youtube comments at all?
He's Evil Space Ghost.
Reality Czar
Banned
Marvel mistreating women characters in their content while crowing about how woke they are shocker.
Moon Grape Donut
Member
The show is fine, still prefer Wandavision. The two main leads are so boring. Zemo and Walker are my favorite parts of the show. Oh, and the freckled lady is incredible boring, zero charisma and presence as a villain. Terrible.
Kinda wish Walker goes all Homelander (from The Boys) and goes batshit insane.
Kinda wish Walker goes all Homelander (from The Boys) and goes batshit insane.
Laieon
Member
This is how I feel too. I was really into Wandavision from the get go and while I don't think it stuck the landing, I think overall it was really good. Falcon and the Winter Soldier has yet to grab me the same way, I absolutely agree with you that the biggest reason for that is that it's tonally all over the place. It almost feels like there's 2 different writing teams. The writing around flag smasher girl and friends has been especially bad, and what ever happened to Sam's friend from the first episode? They set him up like he was going to be playing a bigger part. For being one of the two title characters, Bucky just kind of feels like he's along for the ride and doesn't actually matter as far as the plot goes.
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pel1300
Member
Yeah I agree about Bucky. I think the Russo bros and Feige had big plans for him that for whatever reason they decided not to go through with.
Filth
Member
Im talking more about the acting / way he speaks. Not his history. For sharron she stole the shield and wings. The blip happened and all this time went by and she coudnt come back home? Thats not believable to me but this is a comic book show. It is what it is.I'm curious, what did you know about Zemo's personality in Civil War? His likes and dislikes? Did that movie even tell you that he's a baron? Did you watch some cut of the movie that others didn't?
quickwhips
Member
I just want a zemo thunderbolts movie or tv show
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bitbydeath
Member
I thought she had close ties to Nick Fury as well who could easily bail her out but maybe I'm just remembering wrong.
Filth
Member
Yeah its just a weird take on her side story. But ever since captain marvel i think everyone is a skrull so maybe she is as well.
jokingbird
Member
Hard to blame the writers too much when the original script had them basically stealing a virus to cause a pandemic which would reduce the population back to the blip levels. After coronavirus Disney forced them to to delay and re-work that with the now random terror attacks for no reason.
sol_bad
Member
Bucky helped get Zemo out of jail.
He is also the connection between Zemo and Wakanda, if Bucky wasn't there the Dora Milaje would have taken Zemo back asap and he wouldn't have helped track down Nagel etc.
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Fury did personally assign her to guarding Steve but SHIELD collapsed and Sharon changed to working for the CIA. No more contact with Fury.
When she stole Steve and Sam's gear she went against the Sokovian Accords and went on the run for 2 years just like Steve's team. Steve and co didn't have any backing from Fury either remember.
Then the snap happened.
And Fury he is currently up in space as far as we are aware dealing with bigger issues.
Smoke6
Member
I have a feeling we're getting that
Dacon
Banned
This show is a boring mess of stupid writing and annoying characters.
I'm especially annoyed with the repeated focus on Sam's race(He's black so naturally we HAVE to make an issue of his race, bc that's all shit writers can think of when they see black people) , and the moronic way he keeps trying to fucking defend a cold blooded murderer, especially when he's had no problem killing terrorists in all of the movies leading up to this. Somehow he just all of a sudden sympathizes with this murdering psycho when he hadn't even met her outside of a fistfight.
The focus on this obnoxious redhead bitch has felt entirely forced, and the attempt to make viewers sympathize with her and her motives comes off as fake and empty. She's a fucking killer and a terrorist, there is no fucking excusing what she's done. None.
On the subject of Walker/Us Agent, this dudes story arc has been plain trash. He started out just wanting to do right by Cap and help people, and he's gotten nothing but disrespect from the main character, for doing literally nothing other than trying to live up to Cap's ideal. It wasn't until this episode that he did anything "wrong". He spent all his time trying to stop the terrorists and work with Sam and Bucky who absolutely REFUSED to play ball.
The Dora showing up like magic to possibly cause a massive international incident by murdering Captain America, in the name of their dead king who ironically SUPPORTED the Sokovia Accords is HILARIOUSLY stupid. They proclaim the entire world is their jurisdiction like true imperialists, and only serve to allow their target to literally just walk out of the room. So fucking dumb.
Flag Smasher may look fucking stupid but he's been in better stories than this dumbass show. WandaVision was way better than this garbage.
I'm especially annoyed with the repeated focus on Sam's race(He's black so naturally we HAVE to make an issue of his race, bc that's all shit writers can think of when they see black people) , and the moronic way he keeps trying to fucking defend a cold blooded murderer, especially when he's had no problem killing terrorists in all of the movies leading up to this. Somehow he just all of a sudden sympathizes with this murdering psycho when he hadn't even met her outside of a fistfight.
The focus on this obnoxious redhead bitch has felt entirely forced, and the attempt to make viewers sympathize with her and her motives comes off as fake and empty. She's a fucking killer and a terrorist, there is no fucking excusing what she's done. None.
On the subject of Walker/Us Agent, this dudes story arc has been plain trash. He started out just wanting to do right by Cap and help people, and he's gotten nothing but disrespect from the main character, for doing literally nothing other than trying to live up to Cap's ideal. It wasn't until this episode that he did anything "wrong". He spent all his time trying to stop the terrorists and work with Sam and Bucky who absolutely REFUSED to play ball.
The Dora showing up like magic to possibly cause a massive international incident by murdering Captain America, in the name of their dead king who ironically SUPPORTED the Sokovia Accords is HILARIOUSLY stupid. They proclaim the entire world is their jurisdiction like true imperialists, and only serve to allow their target to literally just walk out of the room. So fucking dumb.
Still an upgrade from the comic book Flag-Smasher:
Flag Smasher may look fucking stupid but he's been in better stories than this dumbass show. WandaVision was way better than this garbage.
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The_Mighty_X
Banned
So let's predict the ending.
Sam has to defeat Psycho Walker / US Agent and becomes the true Captain America
White Wolf Bucky hunts down and captures Super Ginger but not before Zemo saves Bucky from certain death.
Zemo escapes and at the end credits scene delivers the final super soldier serum to Thunderbolt Ross!
Sam has to defeat Psycho Walker / US Agent and becomes the true Captain America
White Wolf Bucky hunts down and captures Super Ginger but not before Zemo saves Bucky from certain death.
Zemo escapes and at the end credits scene delivers the final super soldier serum to Thunderbolt Ross!
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