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[PhoncipleBone]

One scene that gives me chills are at the end of RotK when Aragorn says:

You bow to no one

That is some epic shit right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URmQXIeVpN8

That moment doesnt just give me chills, it makes me use every fiber of my being to not start blubbering and crying like a little girl. No matter how many times I see the movie, that part just makes me want to cry tears of joy.

And I love Pippen's face during that moment. He is just like "HELL YEAH!"

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Watched this sucker on Blu-Ray for the first time, after not having seen it for at least 4 years, if not more. The effects still look really good in most places, and I think that's down to the heavy usage of models and miniatures by Weta, as well as the incredible production design. It'll be interesting to see if TTT and ROTK, both of which used CGI to a much greater degree, hold up as well.

 

[StealthGoblin]

The Sons of Elrond were also absent from the battles that occur in The Return of The King. I would have preferred to see them fighting alongside man in those sequences than have the Elves be wedged in to the Battle of Helms Deep.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Rosie Cotton dancing. She had ribbons in her hair. If ever I were to marry someone, it would have been her. It would have been her!

 

[elrechazado]

The Sons of Elrond were also absent from the battles that occur in The Return of The King. I would have preferred to see them fighting alongside man in those sequences than have the Elves be wedged in to the Battle of Helms Deep.

Yeah, elves at helm's deep was so lame.

Don't get me wrong with all this hate, I love the movies, just have a few pet peeves with them. While on the topic - having to trick treebeard into doing the right thing cheapened his character, then all of the ents suddenly being right there when he cried out in rage was .... unnecessary and lame.

 

[SentientStone]

I just watched Fellowship last night for the first time in my life (I put off LOTR for so long and swore I would watch all 3 once the EE's came out on Blu-ray). Good stuff I must say. The movie did not feel long at all even though I sat through almost 4 hours.

 

[CrocMother]

So what do you guys think, remake of the trilogy in our lifetime (50+ years)?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

While Theoden's speech at Pelinor was more badass, Aragorn's at the Black Gate is not bad either. Sadly, the trailer seemed to have a better version of it. But the part in this video that gets me every time is when Frodo begins to crawl up the mountain.
http://youtu.be/nPDoNB19H3g

The fact that he and Sam have collapsed from exhaustion, but will not stop. It is the look on Frodo's face as he begins to crawl, and the flute in the soundtrack just sells it. Just so awesome.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

The Sons of Elrond were also absent from the battles that occur in The Return of The King. I would have preferred to see them fighting alongside man in those sequences than have the Elves be wedged in to the Battle of Helms Deep.

Adding Elladan and Elrohir would have meant introducing another two characters to the narrative and further increasing the run time as well increasing the confusion of those not exposed to the novels beforehand, it's pretty much the same for Prince Imrahil and the Rangers of the North.

 

[Solo]

So what do you guys think, remake of the trilogy in our lifetime (50+ years)?

Of course. Within 20.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Might be controversial here, but I wasn't a fan of Frodo going over the edge inside Mt. Doom. I understand why they did it, but I will always prefer the novels ending for The One Ring.

An overjoyed Gollum reunited with his precious, dancing and overcome with happiness, teetering on the edge before falling and being consumed by the flames.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Might be controversial here, but I wasn't a fan of Frodo going over the edge inside Mt. Doom. I understand why they did it, but I will always prefer the novels ending for The One Ring.

An overjoyed Gollum reunited with his precious, dancing and overcome with happiness, teetering on the edge before falling and being consumed by the flames.

When I took my mother to see ROTK she was convinced Sam would have to push Frodo into the lava to destroy the ring. She was relieved that he lived.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

So what do you guys think, remake of the trilogy in our lifetime (50+ years)?

Yes, someone else will have another stab at it. Much more likely than an adaptation of The Silmarillion as a whole. Selected stories may well be adapted, but not by Peter Jackson. The Hobbit is his last foray into Middle-Earth sadly.

 

[StealthGoblin]

When I took my mother to see ROTK she was convinced Sam would have to push Frodo into the lava to destroy the ring. She was relieved that he lived.

That thought never crossed my mind. The one thing I think they nailed in that sequence was the look on Gollums face as he fell towards the flames. That just about redeemed the sequence for me.

One last moment of happiness in the little buggers life.

Who owns the film rights to The Silmarillion anyway? I'd much rather a film be made of The Children of Húrin.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

That thought never crossed my mind. The one thing I think they nailed in that sequence was the look on Gollums face as he fell towards the flames. That just about redeemed the sequence for me.

One last moment of happiness in the little buggers life.

Followed by the look of "Shit." as he hits the lava.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

That thought never crossed my mind. The one thing I think they nailed in that sequence was the look on Gollums face as he fell towards the flames. That just about redeemed the sequence for me.

One last moment of happiness in the little buggers life.

Who owns the film rights to The Silmarillion anyway? I'd much rather a film be made of The Children of Húrin.

The Tolkien estate, in particular Christopher Tolkien. His grip on those rights is strong indeed.

The problem with The Children of Hurin is this; evil wins. That wouldn't sit too well with general film going public.

 

[Loxley]

While Theoden's speech at Pelinor was more badass, Aragorn's at the Black Gate is not bad either. Sadly, the trailer seemed to have a better version of it. But the part in this video that gets me every time is when Frodo begins to crawl up the mountain.
http://youtu.be/nPDoNB19H3g

The fact that he and Sam have collapsed from exhaustion, but will not stop. It is the look on Frodo's face as he begins to crawl, and the flute in the soundtrack just sells it. Just so awesome.

One of my absolute favorite parts of the trilogy happens in that clip. The part at 4:25 where Sam says "But I can carry you", and then Howard Shore's amazing instrumental version of "Into the West" sweeps in when Sam stands up with Frodo on his shoulders...fucking goosebumps every damn time.

 

[elrechazado]

That thought never crossed my mind. The one thing I think they nailed in that sequence was the look on Gollums face as he fell towards the flames. That just about redeemed the sequence for me.

One last moment of happiness in the little buggers life.

Who owns the film rights to The Silmarillion anyway? I'd much rather a film be made of The Children of Húrin.

Beren and luthien would be so amazing. Melian and thingol, Huan, sauron, carcaroth, the throne room of morgoth, etc etc.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Followed by the look of "Shit." as he hits the lava.

I didn't quite think he was thinking 'shit', I took that he kept his eyes on his precious until the very end of his life and in my mind, tried to keep it above the surface of the lava for as long as he could. I'm probably seeing what I wanted to see.

The Tolkien estate, in particular Christopher Tolkien. His grip on those rights is strong indeed.

Do you think he'll guard The Silmarillion film rights tighter because he has more of an investment in them?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

One of my absolute favorite parts of the trilogy happens in that clip. The part at 4:25 where Sam says "But I can carry you", and then Howard Shore's amazing instrumental version of "Into the West" sweeps in when Sam stands up with Frodo on his shoulders...fucking goosebumps every damn time.

Into the West is so much more meaningful if you know the story behind it, involving the death of Cameron Duncan.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I didn't quite think he was thinking 'shit', I took that he kept his eyes on his precious until the very end of his life and in my mind, tried to keep it above the surface of the lava for as long as he could. I'm probably seeing what I wanted to see.

I see that as well. But he does have a "shit" look as he hits the lava, then does all that he can to keep the precious intact until there is nothing left.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I didn't quite think he was thinking 'shit', I took that he kept his eyes on his precious until the very end of his life and in my mind, tried to keep it above the surface of the lava for as long as he could. I'm probably seeing what I wanted to see.



Do you think he'll guard The Silmarillion film rights tighter because he has more of an investment in them?

Yes, there's also the sentimentality factor; he knows how much The Silmarillion meant to his father, especially Beren and Luthien. His gravestone is testament to that.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Beren and luthien would be so amazing. Melian and thingol, Huan, sauron, carcaroth, the throne room of morgoth, etc etc.

Not to mention Finrod, we've only seen one mighty Elf lord of old depicted on screen (Gil-Galad) in the prologue, so that would be very interesting.

 

[elrechazado]

Not to mention Finrod, we've only seen one mighty Elf lord of old depicted on screen (Gil-Galad) in the prologue, so that would be very interesting.

I'd love to see feanor drawing his sword on fingolfin and his sons swearing their terrible oath.

 

[WanderingWind]

The Silmarillion is going to happen - if the Hobbit doesn't disappoint. I doubt it will, but if it's successful, there is nothing more Hollywood likes to do than milk a wildly successful property for all it's worth.

And I, for one, love that in this particular instance.

 

[CrocMother]

The Silmarillion is going to happen - if the Hobbit doesn't disappoint. I doubt it will, but if it's successful, there is nothing more Hollywood likes to do than milk a wildly successful property for all it's worth.

And I, for one, love that in this particular instance.

The Silmarillion is no where near as popular as the other two series. In fact, until the movies The Hobbit was by far the most popular. It will be a more difficult sell especially given the increased difficulty in writing a screenplay, and finding a suitable replacement for Jackson who has now stamped his style on the other two series.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I'd love to see feanor drawing his sword on fingolfin and his sons swearing their terrible oath.

My dream is to see Melkor and Ungoliant's destruction of the Two Trees as well as the original corruption of Sauron. What did Melkor say to him to convince him?

 

[elrechazado]

My dream is to see Melkor and Ungoliant's destruction of the Two Trees as well as the original corruption of Sauron. What did Melkor say to him to convince him?

Wasn't sauron one of the ones who began singing melkor's tune at the beginning? Oh wait, probably not since he was a maia of aule, right? Been a while.

 

[Freshmaker]

The Silmarillion is going to happen - if the Hobbit doesn't disappoint. I doubt it will, but if it's successful, there is nothing more Hollywood likes to do than milk a wildly successful property for all it's worth.

Given that the Hobbit's mostly a fanfic at this point, they have plenty of invented material to milk without getting into prequel territory.

 

[WanderingWind]

The Silmarillion is no where near as popular as the other two series. In fact, until the movies The Hobbit was by far the most popular. It will be a more difficult sell especially given the increased difficulty in writing a screenplay, and finding a suitable replacement for Jackson who has now stamped his style on the other two series.

Previous popularity has little bearing on continuing an established series of films. In fact, it's relatively unknown status among the average movie goer would only help it. Yeah, we know it as basically the Old Testament of Middle Earth, but once you put out a trailer with the LOTR font on it, tie the movies together with a Shore composition and some of the more flashy segments from the book...you got yourself something people would want to watch.

I'll give you the screenplay would be difficult to manage, but considering the magic they worked with LOTR...I'd say it's definitely doable. Especially if they're not restricted to a single film format...which given the Hobbit, they're avoiding like the plague regardless of book length.

Given that the Hobbit's mostly a fanfic at this point, they have plenty of invented material to milk without getting into prequel territory.

Well...they're already in that territory - from a non-Tolkien fan's perspective. IE, most of the audience.

 

[apana]

LOTR 4: Frodo's Return

LOTR 5: Revenge of the Uruk-Hai

LOTR 6: Death of the King

 

[CrocMother]

Personally, I hope that any future Tolkien projects are done in the format of a mini-series. I just have fallen in love with that format and think it would be perfect for this style of story-telling.

Of course, I know that there is more money in a film, but I can dream.

 

[elrechazado]

Another gripe, I'd love to see a full cinematic version of the scouring of the shire. It was such a great allegory (and conclusion) to the hobbits' own adventure. They were involved in the great battles of the greater world, then got to use their own wits and skills and lessons learned to save their own homes, with no help. Such an awesome epilogue.

 

[Pandaman]

Another gripe, I'd love to see a full cinematic version of the scouring of the shire. It was such a great allegory (and conclusion) to the hobbits' own adventure. They were involved in the great battles of the greater world, then got to use their own wits and skills and lessons learned to save their own homes, with no help. Such an awesome epilogue.

i always found it odd that sauruman was successful taking the shower given that it was under the protection of the rangers.

 

[Freshmaker]

Well...they're already in that territory - from a non-Tolkien fan's perspective. IE, most of the audience.

How would the shoehorn in Strider and Legolas into the Similirian? It already makes no sense that they're doing it in The Hobbit, but without those guys, audiences would be lost. No hobbits, no Strider...

That's a damn tough sell for movie execs.

 

[apana]

Another gripe, I'd love to see a full cinematic version of the scouring of the shire. It was such a great allegory (and conclusion) to the hobbits' own adventure. They were involved in the great battles of the greater world, then got to use their own wits and skills and lessons learned to save their own homes, with no help. Such an awesome epilogue.

They will remake these films at some point and will need to add in new scenes in order to at least pretend that they are giving it somewhat of a new direction. I am hoping that it will be 60-70 years from now, but more likely it will be sooner.

i always found it odd that sauruman was successful taking the shower given that it was under the protection of the rangers.

Lies! Saruman never took a shower.

 

[StealthGoblin]

i always found it odd that sauruman was successful taking the shower given that it was under the protection of the rangers.

Twas mentioned by Barliman Butterbur in Bree that the Rangers hadn't been seen for a long time in those parts. They were probably off elsewhere doing other deeds.

 

[mjc]

How would the shoehorn in Strider and Legolas into the Similirian? It already makes no sense that they're doing it in The Hobbit, but without those guys, audiences would be lost. No hobbits, no Strider...

That's a damn tough sell for movie execs.

Aragorn is in The Hobbit? I thought PJ never called Viggo to do anything? I know Legolas is in it though.

 

[WanderingWind]

Another gripe, I'd love to see a full cinematic version of the scouring of the shire. It was such a great allegory (and conclusion) to the hobbits' own adventure. They were involved in the great battles of the greater world, then got to use their own wits and skills and lessons learned to save their own homes, with no help. Such an awesome epilogue.

I hatedhatedhatedhated the Scouring of the Shire. I know it's not entirely rational, but having the Hobbits go to war with Saruman (sorry, "Sharkey") was just...mean. I know, it's there to show that no area is untouched by war and that the world is moving on, but you know what? The story was over, and those points were better made with Frodo and Sam's departure for the Grey Havens, and more succinctly and far more subtly, to boot.

How would the shoehorn in Strider and Legolas into the Similirian? It already makes no sense that they're doing it in The Hobbit, but without those guys, audiences would be lost. No hobbits, no Strider...

That's a damn tough sell for movie execs.

Hm. Oh, I know. Aragorn is telling his kids the tale, when one of them takes sick and has to stay home from Elf school. What is Fred Savage up to these days? They made Elijah look short, surely they can reverse age him as one of the kids.

 

[elrechazado]

hehe taking the shower

Yeah, the rangers were either fighting in the north, or more likely the main strength of them and all of their leadership had ridden south to fight with (and pass through the paths of the dead with) aragorn.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Aragorn is in The Hobbit? I thought PJ never called Viggo to do anything? I know Legolas is in it though.

Aragorn isn't in the two Hobbit movies. Legolas is only in it because his father is King Thranduil of Mirkwood.

 

[Solo]

Another gripe, I'd love to see a full cinematic version of the scouring of the shire. It was such a great allegory (and conclusion) to the hobbits' own adventure. They were involved in the great battles of the greater world, then got to use their own wits and skills and lessons learned to save their own homes, with no help. Such an awesome epilogue.

It would be anti-climatic and a downer ending on film though, which is why I assume they didn't use it. The audience finally saw these people (who have been put through hell over the past 9 hours) gain a measure of peace and happiness when the ring is destroyed. Non-book-reading audiences would not want to see them return to a Shire which is now a shithole oppressed by Saruman.

 

[elrechazado]

It would be anti-climatic and a downer ending on film though, which is why I assume they didn't use it. The audience finally saw these people (who have been put through hell over the past 9 hours) gain a measure of peace and happiness when the ring is destroyed. Non-book-reading audiences would not want to see them return to a Shire which is now a shithole oppressed by Saruman.

Don't get me wrong, I get why they didn't do it and agree with the decision really, because it doesn't fit in a cinematic version. Maybe in a "true to the series" miniseries or something.

 

[Solo]

Cutting the Scouring is one of the items I place under the "PJ and Co made the correct choice" category, along with Tom Bombadil.

Items falling under the "PJ and Co fucked up" category include the borked version of the Army of the Dead/Aragorn's arrival at Pelennor and the dumb Aragorn-is-dead addition.

 

[WanderingWind]

Cutting the Scouring is one of the items I place under the "PJ and Co made the correct choice" category, along with Tom Bombadil.

Items falling under the "PJ and Co fucked up" category include the borked version of the Army of the Dead/Aragorn's arrival at Pelennor and the dumb Aragorn-is-dead addition.

Pretty much exactly right. Add in making Gimli comic relief and Tony Hawkolas, and we're about 100%.

 

[Solo]

Oh, and the dumbest thing of all PJ did: not using that absolutely brilliant take of Aragorn's speech at Pelennor from the trailer. Viggo absolutely killed that. Instead, in the film, we got perhaps the worst take Viggo ever produced, which totally kills the mood that scene should have had.

Thankfully they used the most awesome Bernard Hill take of his Theoden speech at Pelennor to offset that.

 

[StealthGoblin]

For me, I also dislike how they threw Denethor, Faramir, Theoden and Saruman under the bus. We never got to see Saruman use the charm of his voice (one of the few powers he does use in the novels), Denethor was transformed into a grumpy selfish bastard, Faramir was a shadow of his novel self and Theoden was lacking his spark.

I dislike the Elves appearing at Helms deep.
I dislike the Army of the Dead's 'LOL' moment.
Skulls. WTF
etc

 

[Edmond Dantès]

J.R.R Tolkien and Edith Tolkien's grave in case anyone was wondering.

 

[Suairyu]

A great thing about watching the commentaries is that Jackson readily admits areas he thinks he got wrong. He owns up to "milking it a bit" when it came to Frodo's various almost-dying moments in each film and there are many "I wish we had more time to get this look right" moments regarding the ropier elements of CG (Warg's being his biggest hate, for which I entirely agree).

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Wasn't sauron one of the ones who began singing melkor's tune at the beginning? Oh wait, probably not since he was a maia of aule, right? Been a while.

It's not specifically stated in the Ainulindalë that Sauron was one of the weaker willed of the Ainur to join Melkor during his attempt to counteract Eru's theme.