Freaky Fred
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It's funny because I never had a problem with the web video player when I first saw that trailer, but since shortly after that I haven't been able to watch a single video without it freezing up on me.
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The Final Bosman Show
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It's funny because I never had a problem with the web video player when I first saw that trailer, but since shortly after that I haven't been able to watch a single video without it freezing up on me.
Freaky Fred
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TheRealTalker
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thank you
ricen-beans
Member
Sooooo....
What's with the bandaid???
What's with the bandaid???
gigantor21
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I'm probably really late in noticing this, but the disclaimer seems to give him more credit for being right every time I watch one of these. 
Uno Venova
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That's where he got shot last week.
Freaky Fred
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ricen-beans
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Haha!! Perfect!! Completely forgot about that. Lol
Can't believe I didn't pick up on that, lol.
Linearskillz
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hahaha, my favourite part
"Look, these games can work without using Mattricks!"
SwiftDeath
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Love this show. Good episode
His take on Nintendo was quite good
His take on Nintendo was quite good
NullPointer
Member
That's just what future Bosman wants us to think.
There's no wound under that band-aid.
I'm not sure if there has been any discussion on this elsewhere, but I thought I'd post this here. It's a section from GT's new show where some of the staff discuss Ground Zeroes' length and value.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/...-metal-gear-solid-v--ground-zeroes-discussion
Kyle just seems very off here. He's just so oddly sure that MGS:GZ is going to be good; claiming that it is of higher quality than the Bravely Default demo (a demo he actually liked -- but then again, in that same episode he confesses he basically paid $50 for the MGS2 demo). He's rejecting criticism by saying nothing but "that's absurd" and miming a crybaby face, etc, not engaging in any discussion. It seems so uncharacteristically juvenile and fanboyish rather than sincere Bosman. If you have seen him in any other podcast-type of thing, like Invisible Walls or his specials with Marcus Beer/Annoyed Gamer, he has always seems so interested, open and encouraging to hear other people's perspective, but there's not a shred of that here.
He also looks tired as fuck, I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/...-metal-gear-solid-v--ground-zeroes-discussion
Kyle just seems very off here. He's just so oddly sure that MGS:GZ is going to be good; claiming that it is of higher quality than the Bravely Default demo (a demo he actually liked -- but then again, in that same episode he confesses he basically paid $50 for the MGS2 demo). He's rejecting criticism by saying nothing but "that's absurd" and miming a crybaby face, etc, not engaging in any discussion. It seems so uncharacteristically juvenile and fanboyish rather than sincere Bosman. If you have seen him in any other podcast-type of thing, like Invisible Walls or his specials with Marcus Beer/Annoyed Gamer, he has always seems so interested, open and encouraging to hear other people's perspective, but there's not a shred of that here.
He also looks tired as fuck, I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
infinityBCRT
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Kyle is a fan of MGS and trusts Kojima. I'm in the same boat. I think it's probably going to be worth $30. I've played Peace Walker so I kinda have a feeling for how the game will be-- maybe the mainline content is short (90 minutes as most people are saying) but I think the side content will probably be more than enough. Also sounds like the "Clear" time is not indicative of the length of the game as that time likely doesn't include cutscenes. This is super reminiscent of the word coming out of the Metal Gear Rising release when people were complaining they completed the game in 4 hours when in reality it was longer including cutscenes.
And as absurd as it sounds I think the MGS2 demo was at least worth $30 if not $50. Not just for the game but it also was an incredible technical marvel. It was the thing you showed to your friends when they came over.
Freaky Fred
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No I wouldn't because GTA isn't MGS.
TetraGenesis
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Me neither! Hahahahaha. I thought he'd bring attention to it and was honestly surprised when he didn't. DUH. It was an inside joke. I guess I thought this Kyle was just future-Kyle back in his groove.
No, because your analogy is terrible.
I love how intolerant some of you guys are to the possibility of Ground Zeroes being good or a person finding the pricing fair, going as far as to find ulterior motives for why a person might like it. "He's tired! That's it!" Is that hard for you to accept that some people have legitimate, well-reasoned reasons for thinking oppositely than you?
Gentleman Jack
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Might be annoyed because Michael is spouting some serious bullshit about the game like there's some conspiracy and KojiPro is funding the rest of Phantom Pain's development with GZ's revenue. Kyle corrects him about the alert cushion toggle and he keeps wanking about it.
This hearkens back to Kyle's Big Bets for 2014. He knows the buzz about the game will be negative and he knows the scores will take a huge hit and there's nothing he can do about it because the value argument is going to hijack the narrative.
EdibleExplosives
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Regarding that MGS video, both arguments were pretty weak. Kyle just basically laughed without backing up any of his statements.
Metal Gear fans are obsessive in a way I can't understand. By any measure, paying 40 bucks for a demo is insane. A demo is supposed to be a free taste to make you want a game. It's like if you had to pay to watch trailers. It makes no sense.
Yet you'll have people acting as though Kojima is doing you a favor by taking 40 bucks out of your wallet to give you a small taste, before you can actually pay 60 MORE dollars to buy the actual game. It's insane.
But because it's Metal Gear Solid, it's okay for some reason.
Yet you'll have people acting as though Kojima is doing you a favor by taking 40 bucks out of your wallet to give you a small taste, before you can actually pay 60 MORE dollars to buy the actual game. It's insane.
But because it's Metal Gear Solid, it's okay for some reason.
I think what's insane is judging others over how they spend their money and time.
NullPointer
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100% with Damiani on this.
$10 max, or some bonus with something else.
Regardless of quality there are a going to be a lot of confused and upset customers. Even if its the greatest thing ever it takes place entirely in one location and that will get old.
I can't hold Kyle to the fire too bad as we all have fanboy blinders on when it comes to something. Kyle's obviously a day one MGS fan for this thing.
$10 max, or some bonus with something else.
Regardless of quality there are a going to be a lot of confused and upset customers. Even if its the greatest thing ever it takes place entirely in one location and that will get old.
I can't hold Kyle to the fire too bad as we all have fanboy blinders on when it comes to something. Kyle's obviously a day one MGS fan for this thing.
I'll shut up if you can justify charging for a demo for a reason that isn't, "it's Kojima" or "it's Metal Gear."
Gentleman Jack
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Had to watch the video 3 more times to see where a shred of any of this is coming from Bosman.
It doesn't. It's 15 minutes of Damiani and Bloodworth trampling all over the things Bosman is trying to say, and when he protests he has to bite his tongue because he doesn't want to turn it into a shouting match.
Damiani's major point is that Konami is sending out a barely finished demo with beta-quality gameplay elements and shipping that off to gamers for 'thirty to forty dollars,' even after being corrected that you can pay as little for twenty bucks for the experience if you really want to. I thought he was joking, but he says it three times throughout the video. Bloodworth goes further, saying Konami is deliberately gouging their fanbase because they can, and that again, Ground Zeroes is little more than a level trimmed out of Phantom Pain. Whenever Kyle objects to any of this, he's interrupted. His exasperation is palpable but if he doesn't 'back up what he says' it's probably because there's no way to really respond to how insane the things coming out of Damiani's mouth really are.
The video is not a good look for GT, and looking at other episodes of Thanks for Playing! it's pretty crap by comparison. I don't put any of that on Bosman, who by the end of the video has given up, face in hands, because he knows what Damiani is after.
I wasn't asking you to shut up, just stop judging other people. If you informed yourself about the content in the game and you don't think that's worth the $20-40 asking price then simply don't buy it. If you think it's overpriced then speak up about that.
It's definitely not a demo though, not in this day and age. It's content that cost money to produce and will cost you money to play.
NullPointer
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Its a demo.
If its a full game can you honestly imagine Konami releasing a demo of Ground Zeroes? Is that even possible?
If that seems like a laughable idea, maybe that's because it is actually a demo.
Completely agree with all of this. Don't see how this looks bad for Bosman, really.
If that's representative of this segment, no thanks.
Gentleman Jack
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The first episode of Thanks for Playing is far less the "Michael Damiani riffs for 15 Minutes" show and is pretty watchable when it talks about Hyrule Warriors and Samurai Gunn. This episode...pretty unwatchable and feels like Damiani is going for that Crossfire atmosphere where he antagonizes the other people there by saying insane shit and trapping them into defending something that's an easy target for points-scoring style posturing.
There's the problem, you're thinking as if there were full games or demos and nothing in between. That's not how things work today, there are expansion packs, DLC add-ons, and download-only games in all price ranges. It's up to the developer to put a competitive amount of content at a corresponding price category. For $20 I'd jump on this quite easily, but the next-gen tax has me waiting for reviews and user impressions.
NullPointer
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Well whats a demo then?
If they didn't charge for this wouldn't it be a demo? Isn't this a small bit of introductory content where players can explore the mechanics? Something to tide them over until the full game releases?
Because I get the impression that as soon as you charge for it, and charge a high price at that, it attains some lofty new attributes.
SketchTheArtist
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This was hard to watch. With Kyle on this.
If people REALLY don't like what they paid for, it's gonna be screamed everywhere (Internet's loud on these type of hard-pressing issues) and Konami will have to deal with the backlash.
Kojima's pride (to a certain extent) and his attachment to fans make it really hard to believe he would screw them out for some quick buck.
I'm saying this and I'm not a fan of his. I just respect him. Take it however you want.
If people REALLY don't like what they paid for, it's gonna be screamed everywhere (Internet's loud on these type of hard-pressing issues) and Konami will have to deal with the backlash.
Kojima's pride (to a certain extent) and his attachment to fans make it really hard to believe he would screw them out for some quick buck.
I'm saying this and I'm not a fan of his. I just respect him. Take it however you want.
A demo is what the developer releases under that label, plain and simple.
I don't want to discuss semantics or hypothetical scenarios but I assure you the production costs associated with this are far higher than that of any demo, which is usually just a small chunk of a finished, upcoming game.
Likewise, Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon and AC Freedom Cry are standalone games on themselves, not paid demos for Far Cry 3 and AC4.
EmCeeGramr
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I think the difference is that Blood Dragon and Freedom Cry tell their own stories and have their own special mechanics. Meanwhile Ground Zeroes' story has been more or less totally explained and it's just a short prologue that sets up The Phantom Pain. Its mechanics are also apparently Phantom Pain's mechanics, yet gimped and smaller scale; the way Kojima talks about it, GZ is supposed to "introduce" you to TPP's mechanics... as if it's a trial or demonstration of TPP.
It also doesn't help that Blood Dragon and Freedom Cry standalone were released after their "main games" (Freedom Cry was originally DLC) and essentially billed as larger-scale bonus content, not one to possibly two years beforehand.
I don't see how I was being "intolerant" at all; and I'm not rejecting the possibility of GZ being anything, because I will wait until I actually play the game. I definitely did not say "He's tired! That's it!" what a weird misquote. If Kyle does have legitimate, well-reasoned reasons, he did not present them at all in the video, which is what I found weird and juvenile -- he's just so sure that it is going to be very good. I can see how Damiani did seem like he was egging Kyle on, and you could tell Kyle was annoyed, but I feel like if he did have something substantial to say he would have done so, rather than simply scoffing or doing that crybaby mime. I can see how Kyle maybe didn't have the opportunity to voice his opinion, but whenever he got cut off by the others, it was because he said stuff like "It is better than the Bravely Default demo" or "It is good" - making definite statements when he hasn't even played the game.
Ultimadrago
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Bosman's Jersey executive accent is magical.
Also Nobody Finishes Video Games' "Bonus Bit" about "Bonus Bits"
Also Nobody Finishes Video Games' "Bonus Bit" about "Bonus Bits"
It's utterly despicable of Konami to put "Metal Gear Solid 5" on a box and then sell it for $40. How many people are going to buy it thinking it's a full game, just by virtue of the title and the price?
Is it really insane to see that Konami is charging a premium price for a minimum of content, because they believe they have a strong brand and a compelling game? It's one thing if you don't care that you are being gouged, but not to recognize it seems somewhat naive.
Gentleman Jack
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Did you watch the video?
Three times Damiani claims Konami is putting GZ out because they need the money to finish Phantom Pain
Twice he claims GZ is 'just a level taken out of Phantom Pain,' an assertion Bloodworth parrots.
He claims the maximum Konami should charge for it is ten bucks.
There's a good discussion to be had about the length of Ground Zeroes and the value added by the side missions that nobody has played, but Damiani wasn't interested in that discussion. He wanted to spout some really insane shit about Konami's motives and watch Bosman or anybody else in the room try to defend the title so he could harp on a) the cost and b) the length to build a wall around the blatantly stupid crap he was inserting into his statements.
Meanwhile we get a bunch of drive by posters hijacking the Final Bosman Show thread for another contest of who can be the most outraged about Ground Zeroes and the people who still want to buy it, without even addressing the topic. It's depressing.
New episode: http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/r8xpui/the-final-bosman-tactical-espionage-reaction
Doesn't seem like he knows that Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty was 15 bucks, not 40 bucks like Ground Zeroes is.
Doesn't seem like he knows that Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty was 15 bucks, not 40 bucks like Ground Zeroes is.
GZ is $20.