The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c
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Shorty11857
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That was a really great finale
Although as always time travel annoys me since writers can never seem to make any kind of consistent sense with it
Although as always time travel annoys me since writers can never seem to make any kind of consistent sense with it
FaustsBoon
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Except with new monologue.
I would insta-loose-my-shit if Season 2 literally opened with, "My name is Jay Garrick..."
Delta Assault
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Yeah, I didn't like that at all.
This is something Barry's been striving for for a while now: the ability to save his Mom. The pivotal moment of his life. A simple "stop" hand gesture wouldn't persuade him. Just like a simple "stop" hand gesture wouldn't stop Bruce Wayne from saving his parents.
Flashpoint made a lot more sense, where he actually had to go and physically fight his previous self to stop him from changing it. That's a lot more meaningful and honest.
If they want to be really awesome, S2 Flash opens with Jay Garrick as Flash and S4 Arrow opens with Robert Queen as Red Arrow. That'd be a gigantic mindfuck.
More_Badass
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Considering Barry knows better than anyone else about fucking with time, I'd say the one person he'd trust enough so completely like that is himself.
Good. End it with Barry giving Oliver a message from Robert. Presto.
Septimus Prime
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I honestly think it's stronger this way. No one can change Barry's mind, except himself. He trusts himself enough to know that that version of him probably did what he was trying to do but didn't have enough time to elaborate on why it was a bad idea.
StopMakingSense
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He had already decided in his mind to not save his mom when he went to the past, IMO.
In one day the flash topic went from being about 1000 posts behind to now being less than 100 posts behind. All the discussion around the finale is well deserved. They absolutely crushed it and now they have so many possibilities for season 2.
Except that it wasn't that single moment that caused Barry to decide to not save his mom. The entire episode is building up to this point and by the time he's gone into the past, he's decided not to save her. For me, I think it clicks for him during Ronnie and Caitlin's wedding. You can argue differently, but by the time he shows up at the scene in the past, he's visibly upset, not happy at the opportunity to save his mom. He's upset that he has to let his mom die even before the Future Barry tells him "no".
It was definitely a great season and I get the feeling that many manly tears were shed during the scene with Nora. Now we just have to hope season two retains the high quality of the first season.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, as much as I would have loved to see Flashpoint for an entire season, this does seem to be the best way to handle it. The no from future Barry conveyed so much, like maybe he'd tried it before and it failed miserably?
It was essentially like the scene in the time tunnel from Flashpoint but instead of fighting, they handle it by having future Barry warn past Barry not to do what he's planning to do and it seemed to come from a place where he knew how bad the consequences would be.
At most, I think they could do something for fans during season 2, like a two/three part special where we see what happens when future Barry goes back and does save his mum and his fight to get things back to normal.
Can someone answer me this:
Is there really no answer to Eobards beef with Barry other than "there is no point telling it". Like, what could've happen? Isn't Barry like, from 200 years before than Eobard so how did they even end up becoming enemies?
Also, I have to say the final kinda reminded me of Man of Steel, but in a much worse way, in the sense of civilian casualties. Barry knew the risks and yet he did all this just to say hello to his dead mother. Well gee, thanks for killing all those people in the city after the black hole. It is literally his fault for all those deaths.
Also, funny how a scientist like Caitlin didn't even know what singularity means.
Well I guess the speed force explains it all.
Is there really no answer to Eobards beef with Barry other than "there is no point telling it". Like, what could've happen? Isn't Barry like, from 200 years before than Eobard so how did they even end up becoming enemies?
Also, I have to say the final kinda reminded me of Man of Steel, but in a much worse way, in the sense of civilian casualties. Barry knew the risks and yet he did all this just to say hello to his dead mother. Well gee, thanks for killing all those people in the city after the black hole. It is literally his fault for all those deaths.
Also, funny how a scientist like Caitlin didn't even know what singularity means.
Well I guess the speed force explains it all.
King Gilga
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imo it was a pretty bad finale.
So barry goes back in time at the risk of destroying his whole earth to save some chick and everyones like sure w/e barry glhf and getting married and shit even though they won't even exist like that once he changes everything in the same day but w/e and so he goes back risking the whole earth and then he sees future flash say dont bro and then hes like sure w/e mom get stabbed qq etc comes back and punches wells out of his time machine instead of you know letting wells go home and just getting him out of the way instead you know this guy you can never beat just break his time orb instead and then and he gets fucked which forces eddy to shoot himself to save barry removing wells removing flashes moms death creating a time paradox making a black hole so like he couldve just saved her anyways since eddy reset it all anyways.
So barry ruined everything which forced eddie kill himself making the black hole kill tons of people, good job asshole.
Like the whole episode was just pointless and stupid, and that cliff hanger, just bleh.
Him running up the sky scraper and into/around the black hole was p cool tho.
Fun season, but that finale was arrow s3 level stupid.
So barry goes back in time at the risk of destroying his whole earth to save some chick and everyones like sure w/e barry glhf and getting married and shit even though they won't even exist like that once he changes everything in the same day but w/e and so he goes back risking the whole earth and then he sees future flash say dont bro and then hes like sure w/e mom get stabbed qq etc comes back and punches wells out of his time machine instead of you know letting wells go home and just getting him out of the way instead you know this guy you can never beat just break his time orb instead and then and he gets fucked which forces eddy to shoot himself to save barry removing wells removing flashes moms death creating a time paradox making a black hole so like he couldve just saved her anyways since eddy reset it all anyways.
So barry ruined everything which forced eddie kill himself making the black hole kill tons of people, good job asshole.
Like the whole episode was just pointless and stupid, and that cliff hanger, just bleh.
Him running up the sky scraper and into/around the black hole was p cool tho.
Fun season, but that finale was arrow s3 level stupid.
He knew the risks going in and honestly, talking to his mother isn't what causes the massive black hole, I think. It only happens when Eddie kills himself creating that ultra-paradox that Eobard never exists, but his actions still have. Time was pissed off and trying to correct itself.
I mean, her degree is obviously not in the subject matter relevant here, but yeah, it was a goofy line. Not nearly close enough to ruin the whole episode, though.
If me from the future, me with much more experience and knowledge of what will happen, tells me to not do this radical time changing event that I was already heavily wary of doing in the first place. Yep, I am not doing it.
I don't really get what is so hard to believe there for some people, it makes perfect sense to trust yourself from the future. If there is anyone in the world to trust, I would trust my future self above anyone else.
I don't really get what is so hard to believe there for some people, it makes perfect sense to trust yourself from the future. If there is anyone in the world to trust, I would trust my future self above anyone else.
the hyperbole is real.
Delta Assault
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Huh. Yeah, I didn't interpret that wedding scene that way at all. And plus, this one chance was risked on the possibility of the entire city and planet getting kablooeyed. You don't risk all that on a thing that you're not even really set on doing. It makes no sense.
And a lot of these responses I'm seeing to him deciding not to do it, they all seem to relate to Barry making an intellectual decision, based on him thinking about the consequences of messing with the timeline. That's coming from the head.
But with something like this, I don't think it'd be an intellectual decision. That's not in the driver's seat. I think it'd be Barry's emotions in control. Emotion overrides one's intellect when it comes to certain things, and I think one's mother certainly falls in that category. It's gotta be coming from his heart, and not his head.
It's like the ending of Se7en, but instead of what Fincher shot, you got Brad Pitt putting away his gun and telling John Doe he won't give him what he wants. Wow, what an awful ending that would've been. You wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't connect to it. You'd be left wondering what kind of inhuman robot this Brad Pitt character was. That's kinda how I feel with this Flash episode. I can't relate to or understand this Barry who just stands there and lets his mother die a second time. It's not real or resonant or emotional and I don't know what the writers were going for, but it sure didn't work.
The Cowboy
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I think episode ruining is a bit much.
In saying that, I was chatting with my daughter on the phone about the episode earlier (she watched it when she got home from school), 1st thing thing said when i asked her what she though was "awesome" (she's as big a fan of The Flash as me), 2nd thing she said was "why didn't Catlin know what a singularity is?".
It really was the most bizarre/weird thing in the episode considering Catlin's role at S.T.A.R labs and how smart she is, i know why they did it (it was for audience members who didn't know what one was), but they could have put Iris, Joe or Eddie in the room to pose the question - any of these 3 asking would have made a lot more sense..
The Cowboy
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And the worst time of the week for Flash is here 
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U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
This is my take. I don't get the praise here. I can only assume this is sticking close to the comics or something and it's all some sort of big fan service. But to me this episode was just....dumb. Barry is dumb for every decision he made in this episode. Everyone else is dumb for allowing it.
I didn't find this set particularly good, probably because the episode was full of so many big emotional moments and trivializing them isn't very funny.
Septimus Prime
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I didn't so much think the wedding was a catalyst, but rather it was his conversations with Joe and Iris. He knew that, going into it, if he saved his mom, he would never have been close with his adoptive dad and sister/wife (what a combo!). So, he was already wavering but leaning toward saving her, and then he saw his future self, telling him not to follow through.
morningbus
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Time Travel, people.
He's a time traveller. He fights Barry in Barry's time. This has been explained.
Yeah I'm with you. If future me warns me not to do something that I know could already have disastrous consequences I'm definitely taking his advice.
The Reverse Flash traveled back in time to fight Barry.
yes i know that but in the future from where Wells came , there he fights the flash so how can barry still exist there?
Delta Assault
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...The Speed Force?
Did you miss the part of the show that has all the time travel, perhaps?
OdysseusVA
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It was explained in that same episode. It wasn't enough because they had to intervene.
Barry is also a time traveler.
Napoleonthechimp
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To the moon.
I meant in the finale. Don't they have security cameras?
Oh right they do have camera's in the cell and he did 100% confess to everything at the beginning of the episode.
the last time i shed man tears was watching the movie gladiator, when he found his family, i gotta say this show is great mainly for the great performances the actors give us every episode, im still sad about barry's mom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEqtcQkHsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEqtcQkHsg
OdysseusVA
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Hmm... you're right, but he was offered to save his mother. Which means Henry wouldn't have been in prison if he went through with it.
Also, how would CCP deal with RF?
Napoleonthechimp
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I do feel that Tom Cavanagh hams it up a bit too much when in full Eobard mode. I prefer how he is with Cisco.
lets think that those moments with cisco are his inner Wells, and the Full Eobards are just that. the ravings of a mad man form the future
TheProdigal
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They fought in the future-past my friend, the future-past. Wells was born in the future and went back in time and fought future barry in the future-past.
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