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The Flash S2 |OT2| Jays of Future Past - Tuesdays 8/7c
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I was fine with most of the episode except for the fact that they had guns pointing at Zoom and could have taken him out at any time with out giving him Barry's speed force and still get Wally back....I mean WTF? This isn't the time to be honourable, what rational explanation is there for this?
JetForceGemini
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When will superheros just up and kill the villain... This could have been solved with two to the head
Yeah I don't think anyone would care about him holding his psycho father anyway.
Plus "You wouldn't believe me even if I told you" doesn't really imply that he has his dad, someone the cast doesn't know at all.
The line implies that they would be in disbelief, it has to be someone the cast is familiar with. To be in such a state of disbelief it would also then have to be someone who is presumed dead or can't possibly exist.
The problem is the Flash has had no problem offing folks... especially from Earth-2 this season.
Not sure why Wells/Joe didn't use their weapons and just unload in him.
Everything about Zoom has been hyperbole, I'm expecting the man in the mask to be very anticlimactic.
But they would had to have known that Zoom could just as easily kill everyone in the room after Barry gives up his speed too.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the idea that he is Zoom because he needs to become faster to save his life, it can add depth to the character, but they are trying to do way too much with this one. He's dying and needs speed, he is a psychotic mass murderer, he pretended to be Jay Garrick because he's evil, and then finally he is what Barry would have turned out like if he didn't have the West family to fall back on.
The man in the iron mask is going to be Triumph, isn't he?
Oh its going to happen. Barry is going to wind up killing Triumph.
Did you not see Wells and his magical wrist watch that contains everything?
Yes. So the the choice was to abandon wally and let him die and kill jay or give in to his demands and hope jay lets them go free................
The dumb decision was re-opening the portal.
Why couldn't they do what they did with Jesse? Go and fucking free her.
Like, holy shit.
I think another major problem with the episode is that in the last episode we returned to Eobard Wells. Now THAT was a real villain.
Teddy Sears just can't muster the same level of intimidating presence as Tom Cavanagh, and seeing them back to back just helps to underline that point.
Teddy Sears just can't muster the same level of intimidating presence as Tom Cavanagh, and seeing them back to back just helps to underline that point.
LOL of course they could have done that. But aint no one was ready to die for an earth two Civilian.
flintstryker
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Jesus Christ the amount of stupidity on display in the last 10-15mins of this episode
I've been down on his performance most of the year -- mostly because Jay is/was such a loser -- but I thought he had a legit bit of creepiness with this moment:
RellyRell28
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No I did and I'm willing to be that most who watch outside of the internet message boards liked the episode as well. I mean the episode did get good reviews from what I've seen but reviews don't really matter that much to me anyways
Dubbedinenglish
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Zoom is better as the more demonic villain, Jay/Hunter/Zoom chillin' at Star Labs to wait for the evil plan to get done was very bad.
Wait if Zoom wasn't actually there at Earth 1, how could he comment on Caitlyn and show feelings for her? She was banging the time remnant, not Zoom proper.
Wait if Zoom wasn't actually there at Earth 1, how could he comment on Caitlyn and show feelings for her? She was banging the time remnant, not Zoom proper.
That was one of the dumbest episodes the show has ever put out. A room full of scientists and no one thinks to dupe Zoom into giving him a sedative in a syringe. Zoom was willing to inject himself with anything and he has no clue what a vial of speed force looks like.
I'm confused about the Caitlin romance. Past Zoom falls for Caitlin, then he dies. So we assume present Zoom now has those feelings...but every time Barry has time traveled he doesn't recall the memories he experienced in the new timeline, he retains only his old memories. (i.e. him being confused about Pied Piper being a good guy now)
I know I shouldn't think too much about time travel in this show, just nitpicking on that one.
Reverse Flash is a much better villain. He just outsmarts the heroes at every turn and it's his intelligence that makes him really menacing. Zoom, when matched with the dumb hero trope, just makes the show odd. Reverse Flash forced the heroes to think, where as with Zoom everyone is flapping around like a fish out of water.
I'm confused about the Caitlin romance. Past Zoom falls for Caitlin, then he dies. So we assume present Zoom now has those feelings...but every time Barry has time traveled he doesn't recall the memories he experienced in the new timeline, he retains only his old memories. (i.e. him being confused about Pied Piper being a good guy now)
I know I shouldn't think too much about time travel in this show, just nitpicking on that one.
Reverse Flash is a much better villain. He just outsmarts the heroes at every turn and it's his intelligence that makes him really menacing. Zoom, when matched with the dumb hero trope, just makes the show odd. Reverse Flash forced the heroes to think, where as with Zoom everyone is flapping around like a fish out of water.
RellyRell28
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Oh Joni. You poor, poor thing.
KonradLaw
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Zoom delivered as a villain and Jay became fun to watch finally.
But the whole plot was so fricking dumb. Like..holly hell. Why did they just put that leg brace? They couldn't figure out he could cut through it? Why didn't Barry just beat the shit out of him once Wally was back? Why give him the speed?
Even as it worst Arrow never put this much character's stupidity into one episode.
Oh well, it's not the first time Flash makes it's character's brains shortcircuit for the sake of the plot. The rest of the episode made up for this. Stupidity just knocked it down from that should have been a bloody amazing episode to merely a good one.
But the whole plot was so fricking dumb. Like..holly hell. Why did they just put that leg brace? They couldn't figure out he could cut through it? Why didn't Barry just beat the shit out of him once Wally was back? Why give him the speed?
Even as it worst Arrow never put this much character's stupidity into one episode.
Oh well, it's not the first time Flash makes it's character's brains shortcircuit for the sake of the plot. The rest of the episode made up for this. Stupidity just knocked it down from that should have been a bloody amazing episode to merely a good one.
Badly written episode but like I said before:
The Flash is like sex. Even when it's bad it's still good.
WrenchNinja
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I can honestly say it was
Yeah, I enjoyed it. Thought it was a damn good episode. Logically, things don't make sense. But things have never really made sense with time travel and the like. So I don't try to take these shows too seriously. It's a giant mess, but a fun mess.
Was kinda surprised to see so many people consider this episode "Arrow Season 3 bad"
I think it's more along the lines of "bad sex is still sex".
And bad sex after 3 weeks celibate is just bad.
Uno Venova
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I thought "The Darkness" made Zoom even faster?
Kenzodielocke
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Wait, because Zoom has Wally he gives him all his speed ?
Don't they have a gun that steals his speedfocre ? I don't get how stupid that whole Zoom sits around to take the speedforce looked. Am I missing something ?
Don't they have a gun that steals his speedfocre ? I don't get how stupid that whole Zoom sits around to take the speedforce looked. Am I missing something ?
RellyRell28
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This
This is just dumb. Bad sex is bad. If you had sex that you thought was bad but was good it was probably good enough but not actually bad. Please use a different analogy
This makes more sense
Permanently A
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Zoom meant he wasn't fast enough to speed mirage on two earths simultaneously. He can probably speed mirage.
It was entertaining but it was still a really dumb and poorly written episode.
I'm at the point where I love the show so much I bought an antenna specifically to watch only The Flash live. They've hooked me - if they gave an entire season of garbage episodes I would still watch it.
Piku_Ringo
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I've been down on his performance most of the year -- mostly because Jay is/was such a loser -- but I thought he had a legit bit of creepiness with this moment:
That part is truly season's 2's "Cause We're Family, Eddie." in delivery.
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