Se7enSword
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Best moment of the episode
I can't wait for someone to make an E3 gif out of this :3
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The Flash S2 |OT2| Jays of Future Past - Tuesdays 8/7c
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I can't wait for someone to make an E3 gif out of this :3
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Ahahahhaa ffs
Son of a bitch lol
WrenchNinja
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What
His Wally run was great
Sure if you dumb down Return of Barry Allen like that and remove all context, then they're totally the same and Waid is totally a hypocrite
The Return of Barry Allen didn't fuck with Barry's legacy, he still lived and did all sorts of heroic things. And the story really had little to do with Barry, it was all about Wally. The story in the show currently basically has Jay Garrick as the alias of a serial killer and nothing else.
Waid's calmed down after Berlanti said they wouldn't screw Jay over anyway.
Johns doesn't suck. Even if you don't like his recent work, his Flash run was fantastic. I could buy that he's maybe not as good a Wally writer as Messner-Loebs (who was a weaker Waid really), but he does have a decent handle on the character and his villains are easily the best. Rogues and Zoom, c'mon.
That helmet is full of dark imagery now. Good lord if they want to do Jay they would have to use his atrocious New 52 look.
I think that makes a lot of sense, but given that Jay is all "you'd never believe the shocking person under this mask," I'm not sure that would be internally consistent because I don't know why that would be so shocking to Barry. But the show isn't always internally consistent so this doesn't necessarily rule out your (excellent) theory.
Guyz, let me explain.
Future Zoom kills past Zoom.
This would cause future Zoom to no longer exist.
If future Zoom doesn't exist, he can't kill past Zoom.
If past Zoom isn't dead, he grows to be future Zoom.
Who then kills past Zoom..
This causes a paradox where any combination of past Zoom being dead or alive and future Zoom existing or not, to be possible. Allowing future Zoom to still exist even though past Zoom is dead.
Future Zoom kills past Zoom.
This would cause future Zoom to no longer exist.
If future Zoom doesn't exist, he can't kill past Zoom.
If past Zoom isn't dead, he grows to be future Zoom.
Who then kills past Zoom..
This causes a paradox where any combination of past Zoom being dead or alive and future Zoom existing or not, to be possible. Allowing future Zoom to still exist even though past Zoom is dead.
AlfredX1990
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So, I'm catching up with the thread Have you guys heard of the grandfather paradox?, which is one of the most common examples of time paradoxes in fiction, that's the problem in the latest episode with Hunter killing himself
At least tomorrow's episode should have some promise
Schrodinger Zoom
EraldoCoil
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A bit off topic but I wasn't sure if I should make a new thread for it.
Did anyone catch Containment?
Just watched it and I really enjoyed it! Absolutely scared the shit out of me too as that sort of thing is a major fear of mine. Looks like it's only gonna be 6 episodes long too.
Did anyone catch Containment?
Just watched it and I really enjoyed it! Absolutely scared the shit out of me too as that sort of thing is a major fear of mine. Looks like it's only gonna be 6 episodes long too.
Watched the ep, not sure why Barry pressured Cisco to open the breach whne he was able to travel to another earth without issue (also the lack of mention of his adventures with Supergirl was kinda sad), and the ending was absolutely stupid.
Also, the man in the mask is totally 90s Flash.
Reaper was excellent until its end, and had plenty of potential... Damned CW for taking it from us way to soon ;_;
Also, the man in the mask is totally 90s Flash.
"Semi"?
I've watched the semi-enjoyable Reaper burn away.
Reaper was excellent until its end, and had plenty of potential... Damned CW for taking it from us way to soon ;_;
BLOODED_hands
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Yes, I brought it up but nobody responded. It's aight. I liked how one of the characters actually said Zombie Apocalypse lol.
Back on topic..... Please don't go with N52 Jay Garrick visually.
Hahahahahahahaha
Rapscallion
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Gah, what a mess of an episode. There's so many points in the episode in which you just want to yell at team flash for being complete morons. Plus, Zoom loses all of his menacing nature once he takes off that mask. Couldn't be more night and day.
My biggest question is, where did Team Flash get high res card board cut outs of Zoom's parents? THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT EXIST FOR MOST PEOPLE.
My biggest question is, where did Team Flash get high res card board cut outs of Zoom's parents? THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT EXIST FOR MOST PEOPLE.
Team Filler
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Episode had some pretty bad moments, but the show still has a crazy steep decline to go down before it ever reaches Arrow-levels of badness.
Obviously Flash went back in time to take high res pictures of Zoom's parents so they could make the card board cut outs, they just didn't have time to show it in the episode.
I can't shake the impression that the decision to turn Jay into Zoom didn't happen until halfway through the season. Everything that happened before the break requires them to be different people.
Earth-2 Wikipedia must be killer. Yeah there is no way that makes sense.
Jay Garrick, twin of Hunter Zolomon? We will have to do a lot of handwaving for now.
Man they had a 3 minute session where they just sit down and explain shit to the audience and this episode was till full of plot holes and weird ass logic.
They should've kept dead Jay as like a "time remnant" that Zolomon maybe tricked or something rather than being totally down with the plan and willing to die, would've made his story a bit tragic. Could have used the flashback framing device to set it up rather than just telling us the story and dropping it.
Teddy Sears I liked fine as the sort of stiff old fashioned good guy, but he's not doing well as a villain. They should just give him permanent Tony Todd voice, it helps a lot.
They should've kept dead Jay as like a "time remnant" that Zolomon maybe tricked or something rather than being totally down with the plan and willing to die, would've made his story a bit tragic. Could have used the flashback framing device to set it up rather than just telling us the story and dropping it.
Teddy Sears I liked fine as the sort of stiff old fashioned good guy, but he's not doing well as a villain. They should just give him permanent Tony Todd voice, it helps a lot.
The episode really strengthened my "Show, don't tell" complaint. They keep telling us stuff instead of showing it.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Best moment of the episode
Ahahahahahaha someone gotta caption that shit
Jorok Goldblade
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Maybe this isn't Zoom's first rodeo. He went to another Earth, found his doppleganger was a hero, and drained his speed.
But it wasn't enough. He used Earth 3 Jay as inspiration for his Flash persona while keeping the real Jay locked up while he went after Barry for more speed.
Zoom had a guy who could open breaches.
It will be crazy to see this topic end at more than 6000 posts.
BLOODED_hands
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Am I supposed to be sorry?
This is what happens after a hiatus and a disappointing episode!
The point I was making was that Waid did something similar, and if you'd said to him 'this story sucks I'm out' he'd have told you to wait until it actually ended before forming an absolute opinion.
You're welcome.
Stallion Dan
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Zoom killing his younger self is no more an issue than the entire timeline not changing after Eddie shot himself.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The only question is... Why would a real Jay Garrick look like Hunter Zolomon (e1/e2)?
PHOENIXZERO
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Reaper's biggest problem was that it didn't have a significant love triangle for teen girls to sink their teeth into. If it had more potential ships we'd be talking about how it should've ended three or four seasons ago.
Sock's "sister" was hot
and he thought so too, actually that was total shipper fulfillment, I guess at least they didn't grow up together
Maybe in the end they'll go with the John Wesley Shipp version.
BLOODED_hands
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Long lost twins? Earth-3 Flash? I don't know.
I just had a thought then realized that it only brought more confusion to myself lol.
It did cement my love for Missy Peregrym though.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The real Jay Garrick should be played by Kiefer Sutherland
BLOODED_hands
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I believe he plays alot of villains in movies and tv shows? I know for a fact that he played a villain in a movie that I brought up in the other OT. So he has experience in being a villain.
Jay has come to? Is that what you want NTGYK?!
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Finally watched the episode.
Barry Allen, you are the dumbest motherfucker on the planet.
You could have killed that motherfucker right there.
Barry Allen, you are the dumbest motherfucker on the planet.
You could have killed that motherfucker right there.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It's finally coming to fruition...
Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I cheated death, thanks to you. And thanks to you, I've left my mark. You have too. You've written your own history. You're your own man. I'm The Flash, and you are too. No... he's the two of us together. Where we are today, we built it. This story, this legend; it's ours. We can change the world, and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you, my friend. From here on out... you're The Flash.
Or even better
Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I cheated death, thanks to you. And thanks to you, I've left my mark. You have too. You've written your own history. You're your own man. I'm Zoom, and you are too. No... he's the two of us together. Where we are today, we built it. This story, this legend; it's ours. We can change the world, and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you, my friend. From here on out... you're Zoom.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Dude in the mask is Wally West, possibly the Flash in another Earth who Zoom tried to steal the speed force from before Barry ;]
BLOODED_hands
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Holy shit.... if they do that just imagine the meltdowns and confusion lol. People who don't know about MGSV would be soooo mad and confused lmao.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Dude in the mask is a white guy tho
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