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KonradLaw · Apr 23, 2016

ZeroX03 said:
. You can't parse logic out of something that isn't possible.

Ermm...why? It works for superpowers and magic systems. Heck, whole SF genre is built in it.
Of course you can't have something foolproof, but by setting up rules and sticking with them you make it possible to audience to predict what's going to happen and analyze the effects. That's all it takes to make it sensible.

Flash has the worst time travel I've ever seen in a tv show. At this point it's just utterly shitty deus ex machina that makes it completely impossible to care about anything related with this element of the show. And there's zero reason for doing it this way except writers being bad at their work.

I don't need realism in supernatural elements. But I do need consistency. Lack of it completely destroys suspension of disbelief.

Corpekata · Apr 23, 2016

Jorok Goldblade said:
Synopsis for Kevin Smith's episode:

http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/22/the-flash-synopsis-for-kevin-smith-directed-the-runaway-dinosaur/

[/spoiler]

The villain of this episode died in season 1, and the synopsis doesn't make it sound like a doppelganger. Weird.

Who was even clamoring for that character's return? Is it because he's on iZombie now and his profile's getting a little bit of a raise (at least on the CW level)?

Anth0ny · Apr 23, 2016

flash s2 is not even close to arrow s3

last episode was eh but overall I've enjoyed s2

PHOENIXZERO · Apr 23, 2016

Corpekata said:
Who was even clamoring for that character's return? Is it because he's on iZombie now and his profile's getting a little bit of a raise (at least on the CW level)?

Regarding the actor...

He's dead on iZombie.

Joni · Apr 23, 2016

Corpekata said:
Who was even clamoring for that character's return? Is it because he's on iZombie now and his profile's getting a little bit of a raise (at least on the CW level)?

He is a typical CW actor. They have a tendency to keep the same actors around, which is why he started on Emily Owens, M.D., became a regular on Star-Crossed after which he got guest spots in The Flash and iZombie.

Jorok Goldblade said:
Synopsis for Kevin Smith's episode:

Wonder what they mean with Barry gone.

BLOODED_hands · Apr 23, 2016

Anth0ny said:
flash s2 is not even close to arrow s3

last episode was eh but overall I've enjoyed s2

I don't watch Arrow but I know that Flash S2 is not bad by any means. It just doesn't hold up to S1 in terms of Villain reveal and the lead ups to Eobard/Harrison.

I've enjoyed the season so far. The last episode just disappointed me at the last act. Teddy Sears did good. Zoom is terrifying and the strongest speedster we have seen on screen.

I believe that they will pick things up after the last episode and we're all going to be super happy ^_^

Nabs · Apr 23, 2016

Jorok Goldblade said:
Synopsis for Kevin Smith's episode:

http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/22/the-flash-synopsis-for-kevin-smith-directed-the-runaway-dinosaur/

[/spoiler]

The villain of this episode died in season 1, and the synopsis doesn't make it sound like a doppelganger. Weird.

I'm guessing Barry saw how successful his last save was and decided to give it another go. Welp.

I saw some set shots from the Kevin Smith ep, and Barry is possibly

reliving that moment where he kisses Iris in S1. At least it seems that way, since she's wearing the same outfit and filmed at the same location.

brotkasten · Apr 23, 2016

Joni said:
Wonder what they mean with Barry gone.

You know what it means.

He's an idiot and did something stupid again.

Xemnas89 · Apr 23, 2016

Feeling alot of positive vibes from this topic.

Joni · Apr 23, 2016

brotkasten said:
You know what it means.

He's an idiot and did something stupid again.

Yeah, but how? Lost in time or dimensional? Or on his way to the funeral?

Napoleonthechimp · Apr 23, 2016

I wonder if Zoom defeating Jay Garrick in that flashback really did happen but it was told from his (Zoom's perspective).

Kyoufu · Apr 23, 2016

Napoleonthechimp said:
I wonder if Zoom defeating Jay Garrick in that flashback really did happen but it was told from his (Zoom's perspective).

Like I said before, that could have been when he captured the real Jay Garrick and imprisoned him.

strafer · Apr 23, 2016

Jorok Goldblade said:
Synopsis for Kevin Smith's episode:

http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/22/the-flash-synopsis-for-kevin-smith-directed-the-runaway-dinosaur/

[/spoiler]

The villain of this episode died in season 1, and the synopsis doesn't make it sound like a doppelganger. Weird.

A marvel writer huh?

Xenoboy · Apr 23, 2016

What happens in episode 21 is probably connected to episode 20.

It probably has something to do with the plan that Joe and Wells came up with, which Henry is against.

BLOODED_hands · Apr 23, 2016

Are we going to get eye lids of some kind for The Flash suit? Will it be too silly? It can allow for NVG, IR, Binocs. Is it necessary?

Jorok Goldblade · Apr 23, 2016

strafer said:
A marvel writer huh?

Yeah. He wrote the Thor movie and X-Men: First Class.

Joni · Apr 23, 2016

He seems quite high profile. He has Power Rangers, ACME, ... in the works.

neorej · Apr 23, 2016

Joni said:
Yeah, but how? Lost in time or dimensional? Or on his way to the funeral?

He's off smoking jays with Jason Mewes.

ZeroX03 · Apr 23, 2016

Zack Stentz is one of the outside writers they bring in once or twice a year. Might be a WGA requirement.

He's not the only Marvel writer there, other Arrowverse people have written for Marvel, including Geoff Johns, Guggenheim and old Kev Smith himself.

Johndoey · Apr 23, 2016

Whoo! My man Girder, yeah! He's rock solid with a steely resolve.

Napoleonthechimp · Apr 23, 2016

Kyoufu said:
Like I said before, that could have been when he captured the real Jay Garrick and imprisoned him.

If it did go down like that then Jay got sucked through the wormhole. So I assume Zoom must've gone after him at some point.

Kyoufu · Apr 23, 2016

Napoleonthechimp said:
If it did go down like that then Jay got sucked through the wormhole. So I assume Zoom must've gone after him at some point.

He probably lied about that part.

Lashley · Apr 23, 2016

If Zolomon killed his past self, how is his alive?

Kyoufu · Apr 23, 2016

Lashley said:
If Zolomon killed his past self, how is his alive?

He shouldn't be alive. They used the "time remnant" excuse but that means Eobard going back in time to kill young Barry is futile because older Barry would still exist anyway.

Basically the writers have fucked up.

Broken Joystick · Apr 23, 2016

Lashley said:
If Zolomon killed his past self, how is his alive?

Speedforceiaintgottaexplainshit.gif

NipplesAndToes23 · Apr 23, 2016

Lashley said:
If Zolomon killed his past self, how is his alive?

No it had to be his future self because what you said would create problems.

Kyoufu · Apr 23, 2016

Blasian Persuasion said:
No it had to be his future self because what you said would create problems.

But he said he killed his past self.

NipplesAndToes23 · Apr 23, 2016

That's confusing though and what the hell is a time remnant? I still don't quite get the time wraith either.

OdysseusVA · Apr 23, 2016

Blasian Persuasion said:
That's confusing though and what the hell is a time remnant? I still don't quite get the time wraith either.

Remnant of time

Joni · Apr 23, 2016

They basically called Eobard Thawne a timeline remnant as well. The time could not catch up to him. Wells speculated it had to do something with Eobard being in the speedforce, which could also apply to Zoom. But it would make less sense.

Blasian Persuasion said:
I still don't quite get the time wraith either.

Former speedsters who died, and are now hunting speed I assume.

PreFire · Apr 23, 2016

Lashley said:
If Zolomon killed his past self, how is his alive?

If Zolomon took his past self into the present time, why doesn't Zolomon remember what to do since the time between present and past should have happened and would be a part of his memory?

Or why doesn't he get effected once he does take his past self? He already lived his life leading to the point where he is Zoom. So going back, and disrupting the process in which he becomes the thing he is right now should have paradoxical consequences. His plan ends in failure (his past self dies, supposedly agreed to it LMAO) but he's still somehow Zoom, blue lightning, demonic voice and bad ass suit. Besides killing his past self, just the fact that he took his past self into the present time, when that never happened in the first place (no loop here) should have changed the future almost immediately.

Which is why I think he took his past self from either an alternate timeline, or a different earth. Or maybe I just don't understand this time remnant shit.

Or just lazy writing.

Joni · Apr 23, 2016

Have we seen a speedster changing their own past?

The Light · Apr 23, 2016

Would anybody be annoyed if Eobard became the main threat again in a later season? Dude is too smart to believe Barry about him going back to the future.

Johndoey · Apr 23, 2016

Joni said:
Have we seen a speedster changing their own past?

The end of season one implies Barry stop his mother's death and then had to go back again to stop himself from doing it.

NipplesAndToes23 · Apr 23, 2016

Time travel is confusing.

Kyoufu · Apr 23, 2016

Johndoey said:
The end of season one implies Barry stop his mother's death and then had to go back again to stop himself from doing it.

Or that present Barry doesn't want anything to change so he tells past Barry to not save her.

Would be cool to see a Flashpoint Paradox happen on the TV show but I doubt they'll do it.

XAL · Apr 23, 2016

I can't wait for the episode

Jason Mewes

has a cameo as

Officer Booch.

strafer said:
A DC writer huh?

Fixed that for you.

Johndoey · Apr 23, 2016

I really need to see dread pirate Slade.

Napoleonthechimp · Apr 23, 2016

Joni said:
Have we seen a speedster changing their own past?

Yes, literally a few episodes ago.

Joni · Apr 23, 2016

XAL said:
Fixed that for you.

Two Marvel movies compared to one DC episode. It is understandable to put it in terms like that, although he has more experience with other stuff like The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Napoleonthechimp said:
Yes, literally a few episodes ago.

What has really changed for Barry? Pied Piper isn't a villain anymore, but Barry is still the same and he doesn't even remember what has changed. A speedster seems incapable of being affected by changes in his past.

Napoleonthechimp · Apr 23, 2016

Joni said:
Two Marvel movies compared to one DC episode. It is understandable to put it in terms like that, although he has more experience with other stuff like The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

What has really changed for Barry? Pied Piper isn't a villain anymore, but Barry is still the same and he doesn't even remember what has changed. A speedster seems incapable of being affected by changes in his past.

I don't think that's how it works. Even with the flashpoint storyline from the comics the flash still had all of his memories from the original timeline and I believe it took time for the new memories to reassert themselves.

XAL · Apr 23, 2016

Joni said:
Two Marvel movies compared to one DC episode. It is understandable to put it in terms like that, although he has more experience with other stuff like The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Was referring to

Setsuna · Apr 24, 2016

Joni said:
He replaced himself in a time loop.

That doesn't even. . .What?

Claude Augario · Apr 24, 2016

How do you even convince your past self to let you kill him?

Must be completely batshit.

Johndoey · Apr 24, 2016

Hey past me from an pinched off outcropping of time, let me murder you as a hilarious set up to make five people feel bad.

Jorok Goldblade · Apr 24, 2016

Napoleonthechimp said:
I don't think that's how it works. Even with the flashpoint storyline from the comics the flash still had all of his memories from the original timeline and I believe it took time for the new memories to reassert themselves.

Which sounds a lot like the "time hardening" mechanic from Legends.

morningbus · Apr 24, 2016

Johndoey said:
Hey past me from an pinched off outcropping of time, let me murder you as a hilarious set up to make five people feel bad.

First Arrow steals from Batman.

Now Flash is stealing the Joker's motivation.

Xemnas89 · Apr 24, 2016

Johndoey said:
Hey past me from an pinched off outcropping of time, let me murder you as a hilarious set up to make five people feel bad.

Sounds logical to me.

PreFire · Apr 24, 2016

Just saw this http://youtu.be/-Ijlrh1z2XY

Kind of off topic, but that has to be the best mod in GTA V.

Not only do you get to play as CW Flash, but you have his powers too. Don't wanna spoil too much, but you can run on water lol..

Xemnas89 · Apr 24, 2016

PreFire said:
Just saw this http://youtu.be/-Ijlrh1z2XY

Kind of off topic, but that has to be the best mod in GTA V.

Not only do you get to play as CW Flash, but you have his powers too. Don't wanna spoil too much, but you can run on water lol..

That mod is awesome. Makes me really want a well made Flash game.

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