But this just proves me point of a lack of faith in the show in general, if the twist is enough to sour on it completely.
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But this just proves me point of a lack of faith in the show in general, if the twist is enough to sour on it completely.
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No matter how they write it, it's still convoluted to the nth degree.
Nobody actually dropped the show though. And it's not like S2 has been entirely on par with S1 in terms of quality. It's sloppier all round. Things didn't have to go this way, the producers didn't do things nearly as well as they could have and now they're aware of it.
I'm all for changing things from the comics, staying true to them isn't always the best idea but you've got to be improve on things if you do.
MikeBreezy92
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Also with regards to the Zoom/Deathstroke comparison.
Deathstroke was fucking nuts. Him obsessing over Shado was a result of that. That's pretty much explained.
Zoom being Jay is just...wack. For one you're retreading the "Mentor Character betrays our Protagonist" plot from the first season after just dealing with getting over that betrayal with E-2 Wells. Two. from the looks of things taking the first Flash and making him a known Flash villain is kinda garbage if that's what we end up with by the end of the season. Then third, Zoom lost a lot of his initial scariness after his identity had been discovered and he only barely regained that today. THEN The show bent over backwards and made him stronger due to Barry and Co. being complete idiots.
Its just bad writing tbh.
Deathstroke was fucking nuts. Him obsessing over Shado was a result of that. That's pretty much explained.
Zoom being Jay is just...wack. For one you're retreading the "Mentor Character betrays our Protagonist" plot from the first season after just dealing with getting over that betrayal with E-2 Wells. Two. from the looks of things taking the first Flash and making him a known Flash villain is kinda garbage if that's what we end up with by the end of the season. Then third, Zoom lost a lot of his initial scariness after his identity had been discovered and he only barely regained that today. THEN The show bent over backwards and made him stronger due to Barry and Co. being complete idiots.
Its just bad writing tbh.
Zoom created Jay Garrick, a persona designed to create hope in the lives of people and then took it away at the exact moment it'd do most damage. That seems increasingly meta as fuck given the way this thread's going.
MikeBreezy92
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Too poorly written to be an effective meta jab. Jay had been pretty much useless since he'd been on the show and then the Jay we knew just gets killed off to repeat a Plot beat from Season 1. I don't think anyone was too invested in his character alone for it to really mean anything.
this thread is no where near Arrow levels of complaining. People just don't care for this particular "twist"
Jorok Goldblade
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Zoom snaps the necks of like 20 cops in half a second. Barry disintegrates after a failed experiment by Wells to recreate the particle accelerator explosion. Zoom rubs it in everyone's face. Wally and Jessie get caught in the new particle accelerator's flash wave and get KO'ed.
That Flash was Barry. It ran out of the chamber and through the lab. He's a being of pure Speed Force now, until he can regain his physical form.
unholyrevenger72
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Strait up Doctor Manhattan'd
Septimus Prime
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So when Barry does come back, he'll probably be way faster than before.
KonradLaw
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Nah. I'm the same. I still like Oliver the most out of tv superheroes and love his villains. The show can stumble and I don't like Olicity drama, but the remainder is more than enough to make it worth watching for me.
Good looking stuff right here. Barry now part of the speedforce.
Remember when everyone saw that pic of zoom and thought he was Henry because of the eyes? Then it turns out the guy we thought was Jay ended up being zoom and now E-2 Henry might actually be Jay. Crazy stuff indeed.
EraldoCoil
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So....when does he actually go to the funeral?
The Cretan
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Great episode.
I think that Wally and Jesse gained powers and that they will be in a coma for one or two episodes, so Wells won't just be the dude who was wrong about the plan, but he will have his daughter to worry about.
Maybe Barry will outrun Death in the next episode or in episode 22.
I think that Wally and Jesse gained powers and that they will be in a coma for one or two episodes, so Wells won't just be the dude who was wrong about the plan, but he will have his daughter to worry about.
Maybe Barry will outrun Death in the next episode or in episode 22.
KonradLaw
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Septimus Prime
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The simplest explanation is he doesn't, and the scene in Arrow takes place sometime in the future, since Barry is all, "Sorry I missed the funeral."
KonradLaw
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Since Harry Potter has been confirmed in this universe they really need to introduce Timothy Hunter into the CWverse, if only for all the hilarious comments he would be raising
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Holy shit. I'm saving this. This is too gotdamn awesome.
Finally catching up with the latest episode. Did that evidence box have the name of Maggog on it? Wasn't he Michael Reid?
Edit: wow, expecto patronum! Got a laugh out of me. Then suddenly Barry going into the speed force? Wally West and Jessie Quick speedsters? Shit I think I'm going to cry.
Edit: wow, expecto patronum! Got a laugh out of me. Then suddenly Barry going into the speed force? Wally West and Jessie Quick speedsters? Shit I think I'm going to cry.
unholyrevenger72
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the funeral takes place after he comes out of the Speed Force.
I'd guess Jessie will go be a hero on Earth-2 and pop up on the show from time to time to help. Wally will be the one to get alot of attention. Maybe Barry will be his mentor and we can finally have a season where the mentor doesn't end up secretly being the villain.
Nutted but she still suckin'
BLOODED_hands
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Man, I'm still shocked that that happened to Barry..... I was hoping it would be something else but damn! Pure energy, pure speed. The Need For Speed.
True, Arrow started being terrible around the same time everyone suited up. Having said that, there were a lot of reasons for the quality drop (Felicity focus, meandering S3 plot, everyone acting uncharacteristically, etc)...
I have faith the Flash writers can handle a team of heroes much better.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Do you think they'll go a whole episode without bringing Barry back or at least showing he is still alive or will he be back next episode?
Because its going to be a tag team between Flash, Kid Flash, and Jesse Quick to take down Zoom.
Also I have no nostalgia or reverence for Jay so I don't care what they do to his character.
Because its going to be a tag team between Flash, Kid Flash, and Jesse Quick to take down Zoom.
Also I have no nostalgia or reverence for Jay so I don't care what they do to his character.
I predict they will show him next episode as some kind of "Speed Ghost" or something.
You know like suddenly an image of him running through the hallway or something.
Btw, one thing I never get is why people like Barry and co won't get any self defense/martial arts training.
Like,you are the Flash. You regularly have to fight people to the death, yet you can't even throw a proper punch without needing a pep talk.
You can't tell me he doesn't have time to train. He can literally train at super speed.
From the synopsis on IMDB, I am guessing we'll actually see Barry, living in the Speed Force, moving through time and possibly dimensions. It will probably devote most of its time on the crew sans Barry though. I'm just excited for a super powered Wally West - my Flash. Oh, it's also the Kevin Smith episode and will have Jason Mewes in it. So things could be amazing or cringey. We'll find out.
StopMakingSense
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Uh, you should spoiler that?
Sure, I didn't think about it just figured it was common knowledge for fans. My apologies.
BLOODED_hands
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I think they might do one last episode of Barry not being in Human form. They could potentially have Barry appear out of nowhere and drag Zoom into the speed force where they have a speed battle or a race. Barry, (speculating) being the speed force generator, can go for as long as he can and Zoom can't. They go so fast that Zoom, who doesn't quite know how to control his speed force abilities, is absorbed into the speed force for a very long time.
That or they go the Wally route and have Barry rob Zoom of all his speed and freeze him as a statue that has to watch everything pass by him normally. He is forever frozen but alive.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I also expect that this "resurrection" will drastically increase Barry's power.
Wally stuff is well known.
Discussion of future episode promos and synopses should be tagged.
It worked in the comics but I think it might be a bit macabre for TV. I hope you're right though.
BLOODED_hands
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I think they did but I'm not quite sure. Slayven or shoreu would have to chime in here.
I recall they did when I was wondering if Superman knows any martial arts and he does learn martial arts from different people. He also knows Kryptonian Martial Arts.
In the comics Green Arrow mentions that The Justice League conducts regular martial training. I can't remember which comic it was. There was also some offhanded comment from another 'Leaguer who complained that Wonder Woman and Batman were too hard on people in training.
Smith has beef with Guggenheim and his wife
BLOODED_hands
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For Flash, Barry and Wally, they would be just more OP as they are lol. They have speed, speed kills. Sure they have all the time in the world but they would rather use that time saving lives, stopping crimes, and helping out other heroes (or chow down on Big Belly Burgers).
I don't blame the Flashes for not receiving any or much martial arts training but it would help that they (or Barry) at least know how to throw a punch or kick lol. But I'm sure they've read many of books that teaches the philosophies of martial arts.
Why does he have beef with Tara Butters? He worked with her on Reaper, my understanding is it went well?
Probably not that serious, but Kev doesn't watch Arrow so he wouldn't want to direct it anyway. Legends is a maybe.
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