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The Flash S2 |OT2| Jays of Future Past - Tuesdays 8/7c
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It always tickled me how Wally was so fast he grew bored with even brief meetings with the 'League, and thus really disliked Wonder Woman as she was prone to long-winded tirades.
BLOODED_hands
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Oh god, if they adapt that into tv Wally that would be great hah.
Oh cool, I hadn't read this. The "but years later I learned it was because I kept adding lines to the pilot script" kind of makes sense actually, Kev didn't know that's not how TV works and it seems he addressed that when it came to directing The Flash. He also found out on the Law and Order set that you don't ad lib on a show like that.
That was also two years ago, potentially Kreisberg could sit them both down and get them to hash out their differences. Kev does watch Guggenheim's Legends after all, but they're busy people. Creators don't have that much time to actually watch other stuff.
Supergirl showrunner Ali Adler mostly watches garbage reality TV in her spare time to relax
RellyRell28
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I'm not. Honestly with me did I like that part? No but I didn't let it ruin the show for me. I mean that was a good episode in itself just like(Arrow Spoilers)
Laurel's death. I didn't like that it was her that died but the episode was still good to me and I even respect their decision to kill of a comic cannon character.
Jay Garrick is going to be played by john wesley shipp. they wouldn't stop the maiden name thing for no reason
So Henry-2 has a twin?
Yeah if this season so far is any indication, if they drop a super obvious hint it's played straight. I honestly thought the original Hunter Zolomon name drop was too on the nose to indicate Jay = Zoom, but they're not really doing misdirects.
JWS as Jay, I should dig up the posts from when the helmet was originally revealed in S1.
To be fair Barrys father of E2 was never seen or referred to as Henry
JWS and Teddy Sears never shared scenes together
The 90s Flash was shown in the travel to E2 and is the only thing to not come to fruition
JWS as the real Jay? Why? He's fucking perfect for the role.
What confuses me is how JWS would be the real Jay Garrick on Earth-2 if Hunter Zolomon paraded around as him for so long. Nobody said anything? :|
And I figured 90s Flash would remain consistent with its own universe where JWS was Barry Allen. :|
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He doesn't have to be from E2
Because I'm hoping the casting director had more sense than that, in that calling him up and ask to be on the show because they were a fan of the original show, I get that.
They did it with Dean Can and Supergirl, but that doesn't mean I wanna see him suit up again.
Dean Cain is getting the Cyborg Superman treatment and you know it
Also why wouldn't Zoom have just killed him?
But if he conquered, say, Earth-3 where JWS resided then locked him up then why did he make it sound like he only conquered his own Earth and is now terrorising Earth-1?
What a confusing season tbh.
This too. Zoom only keeps his victims/foes/pawns alive if he needs them for something.
Who knows
zoom doesnt have to conquer another Earth for JWS Flash to end up in E2
Why don't we just wait to see how things are played as instead?
Maybe Jay was a legend, a blur that no one really saw until Zoom showed up, captured him, and then masqueraded as the Flash for his own ego.
More sense than what? To cast the original Flash to play the original Flash?
Jay Garrick is an old man in a lot of his incarnations too. JWS' age actually makes sense. He's a retired speedster.
Maybe he's keeping Jay as like a speed force energy bar. Not enough to keep him alive, but enough for a nice snack every now and then.
Or he's just making him suffer. Zoom is nuts, we've established he's not a logical guy.
But didn't we already establish from like birthmarks or something that it was Teddy Sears in the mask?
That's what I thought too. We'll see who it is eventually and why Zoom kept him alive for so long.
Yes, but he looked very black in other photos and they never put Teddy Sears in the Zoom costume until the actual reveal. TVLine seemed to imply it was intentionally confusing. Good chance whoever is in the mask right now is a decoy/stunt person. Teddy also said he wasn't actually aware of who specifically was in the mask until shooting.
I would be fine if JWS was Jay Garrick but just not in the mask too.
RellyRell28
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Damn that shit reminded me of what Mayuri did to Arrancar in Bleach. That shit is scary as fuck.
Also stuff learned at super speed doesn't usually stick, so they'd have to learn the old fashioned way and most of them aren't patient enough for that. They're always super broken anyway, they need to be weak in some respects.
BLOODED_hands
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Problem with most speedsters is their nice guys, most speedsters
That's brutal *in Nathan Explosion's voice*
In most cases every hero gets a course in combat training from batman, death stroke, lady shiva, or canary. In Barry allens case future flash got trained by the first 3 and began to add tech to his suit. He was a force to be reckoned with.
However, flash is the type of hero who spends time saving 400 people in half a second than just straight up fighting. When comic flash gets his hands on you their is no fight unless your a speedster.
Cw flash is not really a good representations as he's way to slow to act at times and makes poor decisions consistantly. If the real flash did this millions would die every time one of his major villains came.
Team good taste. Not a surprise Joni is on there. Not a surprise that TheOddOne isn't.
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The Cretan
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That would mean that Wally has defeated Zoom, because if he's good enough to train Barry and got old, he could defeat Zoom, too. However, I could see Oliver train Barry. Zoom is faster, but probably doesn't know the moves Oliver knows.
Well, the problem is, you call Oliver when you need someone to give you tips from the point of view of a killer but Zoom is even more of a psychopath than Ollie.
The Cretan
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He was not trained by Ra's Al Ghul and Deathstroke, though.
PHOENIXZERO
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Goddamn at those last couple minutes, like they telegraphed that Wally and Jesse were going to get particle accelerated/Radioactive'd and I thought maybe this would fuck up on Barry's end but goddamn I wasn't expecting them to pull the Trajectory thing on him, like I knew he isn't dead and he basically merged with the Speedforce and everything, it still didn't stop the shock of seeing that shit. Then Zoom being pissed and then rubbing that shit in their faces and before then going in and finally doing something again to show why he's a monster with taking out a bunch of the fodder cops.
Dropping that Henry's mother's maiden name is Garrick, convenient... Is that another point to him being in the mask either Henry has a brother or Henry on another Earth was actually named Jay and their mother kept her name? Maybe (E2 or otherwise) Henry's grandfather? I kind of hope they don't make Shipp Jay and just keep him being the Barry Allen of the 90s Flash which can be explained away easily enough as odd as it might be. Not as if there isn't already another Barry anyway in live action with the movie side. Weird Barry didn't know that though.
Anyway, big improvement over the last few episodes IMO.
As for the preview and iZombie finale spoiler LOL
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Yeah, not a fan of the AV Club's reviewer just like the one who reviews Gotham who doesn't seem to "get" that show but rating this episode lower than the last episodes? Really?
Dropping that Henry's mother's maiden name is Garrick, convenient... Is that another point to him being in the mask either Henry has a brother or Henry on another Earth was actually named Jay and their mother kept her name? Maybe (E2 or otherwise) Henry's grandfather? I kind of hope they don't make Shipp Jay and just keep him being the Barry Allen of the 90s Flash which can be explained away easily enough as odd as it might be. Not as if there isn't already another Barry anyway in live action with the movie side. Weird Barry didn't know that though.
Anyway, big improvement over the last few episodes IMO.
As for the preview and iZombie finale spoiler LOL
at Girder coming back as an apparent zombie just after the actor finished a stint on iZombie where he died after being turned into a zombie
Yeah, not a fan of the AV Club's reviewer just like the one who reviews Gotham who doesn't seem to "get" that show but rating this episode lower than the last episodes? Really?
To be fair Ollie is 2 for 0 in beating speedsters so I would say he he's more suited to beat zoom than barry at this point.
John Wesley Shipp as Jay Garrick is too perfect, like fuck, god-tier level casting.
Hopefully they go through with it. The guy in the mask has to be someone that's related to Barry, or at least, looks like someone that has deep ties to Barry. Otherwise why put a mask on him?
Hopefully they go through with it. The guy in the mask has to be someone that's related to Barry, or at least, looks like someone that has deep ties to Barry. Otherwise why put a mask on him?
Prep time is the only thing in the multiverse more powerful than speed force.
Well that, and Felicity.
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Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Too bad Shipp didn't say that Garrick was Nora's maiden name then we could get Barry in old man makeup.
Would have been a bigger stretch that Barry didn't know his Mother's maiden name, though. Not knowing Grandmother's is common enough to get a pass.
Would have been a bigger stretch that Barry didn't know his Mother's maiden name, though. Not knowing Grandmother's is common enough to get a pass.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I want a venn diagram of people in this thread who complained about the group not separating Eobard and Wells and who are now complaining about Jay/Hunter.
No. If the man in the mask is Jay Garrick then they're likely related. Remember Barry was able to speak to his mother when he traveled to Earth 2 and the impression made was that his dad was still alive and with Barry's mom. Chances are if they're related then any Garrick would be a distant cousin to Barry or could be an aunt/uncle to Henry if they're older or cousins as well. It couldn't be Earth 2 Henry though. The other closest relation to him would be a brother if Earth 2 Henry's mother had kid before she was married or after a divorce and took back her maiden name to explain why the Allen name is used on Earth 2.
Thats who he was for months in her eyes
Shes also appealing to the person she thought she knew, not the monster thats Hunter
Did we ever see JWS as E2 Henry?
That part makes sense, I guess.
She should call him Hunter so she can pretend that she wants him for who he is and not who he pretends to be. Appeal to the monster and then stab him in the back with a large icicle, Caitlin!
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