TheCowboyPoet
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I was too distracted by how attractive Barry's mom is to feel any emotions.
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The Flash S2 |OT2| Jays of Future Past - Tuesdays 8/7c
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I was too distracted by how attractive Barry's mom is to feel any emotions.
Tal Shiar Agent
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So I take it his mom's death was Barry's mental block to going infinitely fast like Wally in the comics?
tkscz
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Seems to suggest such, which is not a bad explanation.
Comparatively, he sure is.
For like two episodes, next season will happen and he'll go back to not being fast enough.
GuessMyUserName
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Hoooly what?! The last few episodes Wells has been the only making any sense, people ignoring him has been the frustrating part when he's been so damn right. Wells has basically been the audience, calling out the show for its forced dumb decisions, while everybody else even knows Wells is right but surrender to "Barry's stubborn so just let him get us and our whole world killed."
Killing Wells would probably kill the show for me since he at least makes the stupid decisions more bearable by calling them stupid. If everyone just accepted all the shit choices that's been going on this season I don't think I could take it.
What the hell is wrong with you?
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I'd say it's slightly more nuanced than that.
Self doubt has always been Barry's biggest obstacle. It's the most consistent characterization in this entire TV universe. He rarely feels like he's capable and usually looks to other people for motivation and guidance.
It stems from the helplessness he felt as a child, how random, unknown, and seemingly unstoppable the murder of his Mother was, and how unable he was to free his Father from prison. It's at his core and affects practically every relationship, where he doubts if he even deserves the things he has.
His Mother's murder is the trigger, for sure, but the show has been crushing Barry since day 1. Hopefully they nail these last two episodes because it'll really pay off.
They're clearly joke suggestions. Barry was never smart.
The speed force is like the light in WoW or the force it is the sum of all energy and time moving forward and it is thought to be of some sentience but no one knows the correlation.
Also technically the speed force didn't choose Barry , kinda.. that bolt of lightening that struck him was actually Barry turned into pure energy but Barry kind of is the speedforce as he pretty much became one with it.
Ragnarsson
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Another solid episode. This season started off a bit shaky (it dealt clumsily with all that unnecessary Legends of Tomorrow setup), but after that it became a great show again. Even in its worst episodes, it's still enjoyable to watch. Something I unfortunately cannot say about Arrow, which is slowly driving me crazy with its dumb storytelling decisions.
The only thing that I'm afraid of is that they get rid of Barry Allen (since he's in the DCCU) and somehow make Wally West the protagonist. I feel they have been setting up for that, and I'm not a big fan of that idea.
The only thing that I'm afraid of is that they get rid of Barry Allen (since he's in the DCCU) and somehow make Wally West the protagonist. I feel they have been setting up for that, and I'm not a big fan of that idea.
Jesse and Wally will most likely both show speed. Wally will have much much more which is why he didn't kick it, but he'll be unable to control it so he needs Barry.
It makes their 'chosen' line sound a bit more ominous.
It makes their 'chosen' line sound a bit more ominous.
Deadly Joker
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Me too man. Me too.
Octavianus
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I'm really starting to like Iris.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I teared up and got a lump in my throat
I'll cry at anything tbh
Yeah, she's a fox
TheCowboyPoet
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The silver lining in her death, for Barry at least, was he didn't have to hear jokes about how hot his mom is all through high school.
Oh, please...!
Ever since the Ferris Airfield/Hal Jordan teases back in Season 1, I've been jonesing for a Green Lantern show. It's pretty much my only hope, considering the DCCU isn't even going to have a GL as a founding member of the JL, apparently.
I'd be here for a show that starred a young architect named John Stewart.
You will take your Simon Baz who carries a gun and like it!
Jorok Goldblade
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Kreisberg's dream projects are Booster Gold and Teen Titans.
I'm going with Titans on this one.
Napoleonthechimp
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I'm not entirely sure how "stay with me or leave and die like the others" is much of a choice.
The bad guy didn't want her to leave and wants to think he gave her a choice. She can also hope her friends win.
It's not, which is the point.
Well Kevin does say in that Fatman ep from last night that the Joe in the Speed Force scene was dubbed "The Matrix" scene on set.
Was anyone else getting some strong Matrix vibes from this scene?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
The Speedforce knows that new 52 sucks and wrung that promise outta Barry. No Flashpoint.
Same dude. It's always the episodes involving his mum that get me.
The Hermit
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The whole episode had a deterministic theme. I was impressed how they pulled it without feeling forced actually.
Septimus Prime
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Yeah, I doubt that, considering how Girder was still able to smack him across the room. We don't even know if he's faster now than he was before, though I guess he should still be wearing Eobard's tachyon device, which would still be boosting him.
I think it's telling him to slow down and stop being stupid with his powers. Speed can't fix everything.
EDIT: Or, I guess we don't know if he still has the tachyon device. He just kind of appeared, so it might not be the same suit.
I don't know if this has been posted but it's pretty cool.
That was the first thing I thought of last night during that scene. That's at least the second time they've directly referenced Flashpoint this season.
BLOODED_hands
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Flashpoint confirmed brehs
Barry is now the speed force (sort of) so of course he's going to be the same old jobber and Master of Ls later. I would be surprised if he's not a jobber and Master if Ls.
Permanently A
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Theory:
I've always thought of the Speedorce as a force of nature like gravity or something, but this last episode introduces it as a sentient figure. And this Speedforce seems to be caring for Barry, implying that it chose him and that saving people is good and helps him deal with his trauma of sacrificing his mother. So if the Speedforce cares about Barry, why the hell would it also choose people like Thawne and Zoom to be speedsters?
Here's the theory part: The Speedforce always refers to itself as "we." And Hunter has "the darkness" that hasn't been explained yet. So I'm thinking the speedforce has two personalities, one good and one evil.
I've always thought of the Speedorce as a force of nature like gravity or something, but this last episode introduces it as a sentient figure. And this Speedforce seems to be caring for Barry, implying that it chose him and that saving people is good and helps him deal with his trauma of sacrificing his mother. So if the Speedforce cares about Barry, why the hell would it also choose people like Thawne and Zoom to be speedsters?
Here's the theory part: The Speedforce always refers to itself as "we." And Hunter has "the darkness" that hasn't been explained yet. So I'm thinking the speedforce has two personalities, one good and one evil.
Maybe Zoom was a legit accident, and Thawne willfully tapped into the speedforce.
Or maybe it's a net ying-yang kind of thing.
Or maybe just "speedforce lol".
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Kinda funny since fake Jay was shouting at Wells that the Speedforce was a living entity that couldn't be scienced earlier in the season.
Also the we could imply a lotta stuff. Not just two but a bunch of entities holding differing opinions. Blue lightning could represent the negative speedforce. Since we know that exists already
"Son, I never told you this but.....you see....your mom and I we married when she got pregnant with you..."
"Yeah dad,I know, what about it?"
"Well you see....we were both devout christians and we swore to wait till our wedding night..."
"And you didn't, that's not so ter-"
"No Barry.....we did....I never touched your mother and she was never with anyone else...."
"Wha-....What are you saying dad?"
"I'm saying it's Speedforce, I ain't gotta explain SHIT."
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Last season when he went back to save her I lost it, bubbled like a baby
Then he would be referring to the Negative Speedforce It's something that Eobard Thawne is supposed to be using.
Permanently A
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Oh, I didn't know that was a thing. Do all bad Speedsters use negative speedforce? What is Zoom using?
Well if your darkness theory holds true he is likely using the negative speed force.
In the comics eobard thawne and inertia / kid zoom are the only two to access the negative speed force as its a " cancer" to the speed force that he created.
Hunter zoloman the tv show zoom traditionally does not use the speed force and instead uses spatial time control.
The guy who plays Girder also is on Izombie...as a zombie. It's very much a Kevin Smith thing to do. I just wish he'd made Jason Muse wear clothes that actually fit him.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Just brought back sad memories, him getting offed was so dumb on that show even if it was very emotional.
MHWilliams
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Will never happen. You won't get a regular taste of that on a TV budget.
Stargate did it for over a decade.
That is a thing from the comics.
Jorok Goldblade
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I think that's sort of the point of his character. It was his mom's car, probably his dad's suit.
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But Barry is the speedforce.
Like father like son
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05...z-scripting-dcs-booster-goldblue-beetle-movie
It's looking like it could be the booster gold movie.
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