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[Dominican Power]

I wish Irish could sit on my lap. Damn she was looking good tonight.

 

[BLOODED_hands]

Oh I remember. I call that ambiguous by comic standards. She'll pop out of the speed force or some other nonsense

Eh..... I know the trope that if we don't see what actually happens to the body, they're still alive. But for me that was a clear death for her. She isn't a genuine Speed Force conduit and I believe she never had an actual connection to the Speed Force, from my pov.

But by comic and tv standards, we may have seen her get disintegrated but due to how The Flash works, it is entirely possible for her to return. But I truly believe that she is dead and gone. There is no legit or stupid reason for her to come back (unless we get zombie Speedsters which is a legit and stupid excuse).

I hope we see Doctor Light again. She is out and about on Earth-1. Who knows what she's doing during all this chaos. The same also applies to normal Linda Park.

 

[Hambulance]

Should we read more into HR being called Fake Wells.

 

[Skux]

Nice midseason finale. It gave the feeling of a victory that doesn't quite seem won - you know there's still work to be done, which is a nice tension to keep over the holiday period.

Julian's character was a nice surprise.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Eh..... I know the trope that if we don't see what actually happens to the body, they're still alive. But for me that was a clear death for her. She isn't a genuine Speed Force conduit and I believe she never had an actual connection to the Speed Force, from my pov.

But by comic and tv standards, we may have seen her get disintegrated but due to how The Flash works, it is entirely possible for her to return. But I truly believe that she is dead and gone. There is no legit or stupid reason for her to come back (unless we get zombie Speedsters which is a legit and stupid excuse).

I hope we see Doctor Light again. She is out and about on Earth-1. Who knows what she's doing during all this chaos. The same also applies to normal Linda Park.

Yeah, they'll probably just let her go. She's so tied into that Velocity 9 story beat that I couldn't imagine her coming back unless they went back to that.

Dr Light definitely deserves to come back. She would be perfect for a "filler" episode.

 

[KonradLaw]

Very nice half season finale. I like how it finally diverged from previous two seasons formula. Barry even got a real win.

So if Savitar is like 1000's of years old, he can't be someone Barry knows. I think he's just some ancient speed god that was trapped somehow and got loose. Though him knowing the future is a bit weird, that would mean he's everywhere all the time, which means he can't be defeated. I hate characters like that.

What if future Barry has thrown him into the ancient past? Where speedforce didn't connect to Earth, thus robbing Savitar of his ability to travel back?

 

[Dryk]

Wally was on point this episode. More of that please.

 

[ZeroX03]

Should we read more into HR being called Fake Wells.

Possibly. It could be a hint but also makes sense in the context of the Wells we know.

Wally was on point this episode. More of that please.

I love that his first instinct as a speedster is to quip. That's our boy.

 

[carlsojo]

Hmmm a Fake Wells that wants to train a speedster... where have I heard that before?

Prophecies:

Spoiler

One will fall: Iris

Spoiler

One will betray you: Wally

Spoiler

Suffer a fate worse than death: Joe (sorry Joe)

 

[ZeroX03]

Oh yeah, they revealed Julian's full name... J. Albert Desmond. Like I said, they weren't really hiding he was Alchemy from the start.

 

[strafer]

Oh wow philosopher's stone namedrop, somebody must play Metal Gear Solid on the writing team.

Nice. <3

 

[Citizen_Insane]

Please support my paetreon

where do i sign

 

[Patryn]

Oh wow philosopher's stone namedrop, somebody must play Metal Gear Solid on the writing team.

Nice. <3

The philosopher's stone is an ancient artifact that has been written about for thousands of years, with the first reference being traced to 300 A.D., but it could possibly date to even earlier than that. It has been part of the Dr. Alchemy character since about 1958, a full 29 years prior to even the first Metal Gear game.

So, no, I don't think it was a Metal Gear Solid reference.

 

[sirap]

Oh wow philosopher's stone namedrop, somebody must play Metal Gear Solid on the writing team.

Nice. <3

lol.

It's been a part of Dr. Alchemy for ages.

Plus:

Malfoy finding the stone got a chuckle out of me. Speedforce Harry with that lightning bolt can suck it.

 

[Discotheque]

y'all just got strafered.

 

[strafer]

sorry, I was thinking of philosopher's legacy

lol

 

[Toa TAK]

I wish Iris could sit on my lap. Damn she was looking good tonight.

She always does.

 

[strafer]

lol, barry running to the future...what the hell isthis

 

[Rymuth]

- Hamill! So cool of him to reprise so many different version of the Trickster! Dude's baller AF

- So basically, every threat (terrestrial or otherwise) to the multiverse is the fault of a past/future incarnation of Barry..............that's so sad it's stomach-churningly hilarious!

 

[strafer]

I'm so happy that Julian is not the bad guy after all, I smiled at the end when he came to celebrate christmas.

Also, I wasn't expecting a happy ending at all. I guess the flash forward with Iris dying was the main hnnng of the episode.

I'm betting next episode is next year in february?

 

[Citizen_Insane]

So basically, every threat (terrestrial or otherwise) to the multiverse is the fault of a past/future incarnation of Barry..............that's so sad it's stomach-churningly hilarious!

Right? What Jay said earlier in the episode about Savitar was awesome. Savitar being an actual speed god that has come for Barry because he's becoming fast enough to challenge him was waaaay more interesting than more time-travel fuckery caused by (future) Barry's stupid ass.

 

[Octavianus]

I actually really like Iris these days. Didn't think that would ever happen when I was still watching season one.

 

[Toa TAK]

How could anyone not like Iris from the get-go??

 

[Patryn]

How could anyone not like Iris from the get-go??

Because she felt really shoehorned in during the early parts of Season 1?

Frankly, almost all the CW hero shows have done a terrible job with the "canonical" love interest in the beginning.

 

[ZeroX03]

Iris was just a blank personality in a love triangle in the first season.

Kill her and bring back Patty, I'm down.

 

[Toa TAK]

Because she felt really shoehorned in during the early parts of Season 1?

Frankly, almost all the CW hero shows have done a terrible job with the "canonical" love interest in the beginning.

Don't care. Those eyes can do no wrong. &#128064;

Iris was just a blank personality in a love triangle in the first season.

Kill her and bring back Patty, I'm down.

You're a monster.

 

[Aiii]

Philosopher's Stone... cheeky writers, so cheeky.

 

[Sölf]

Really good episode. I need more Hamill, god damnit, he was awesome even though he only appeared for 1 minute.

So we now have a break for what, 6 weeks? 7 weeks?

 

[TVexperto]

Best episode this season

 

[strafer]

Well shit, I'm the same age as Tom Felton. Nice.

 

[Pics_nao]

Just watched it.

Did Barry actually hit that? Bout goddamn time.

My bets:
Die: Joe
Betray: Caitlin
Worse than death: Barry

Also, fake Wells? Real Wells soon then right?

 

[Magwik]

Caitlin being the one who betrays is so painfully bullshit because it wouldn't even be a shock to anyone.

 

[The Hobo]

Barry could have just gotten Supergirl to fly the box into the sun or something, but that would probably make too much sense.

It makes more sense to not throw a powerful magic stone you know nothing about into the star that sustains all life on Earth.

 

[Penguin]

So what happens to Julian after this?

Is he inducted into the Star Labs crew or does he have some bad days left in him

 

[Raylan Targaryen]

The betrayal is obviously Wally, we need a speedster villain for next season

 

[Tabby]

Hot damn that was a great episode.

The Jay beat down was brutal.

 

[ZeroX03]

So what happens to Julian after this?

Is he inducted into the Star Labs crew or does he have some bad days left in him

Inducted into crew
Some stuff happens
He suits up as Alchemy without knowing it
Some drama ensues
He suits up as Alchemy willingly
More drama ensures
He finally repents and gives up Alchemy for good
He dead

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Inducted into crew
Some stuff happens
He suits up as Alchemy without knowing it
Some drama ensues
He suits up as Alchemy willingly
More drama ensures
He finally repents and gives up Alchemy for good
Romance with Caitlyn
He dead

Fixed

 

[Toa TAK]

Fixed

Aw, that's mean.

I want Caitlin to win one, damn it.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Wait, what if Savitar is speedster Grodd :O

 

[……forgetit]

Calling it, Barry is Savitar

 

[Sölf]

Savitar is actually baby Sara. :O

 

[Toa TAK]

I thought it was just confirmed that Savitar is future Flash?

Unless I misread something watching the ep.

 

[Patryn]

I thought it was just confirmed that Savitar is future Flash?

Unless I misread something watching the ep.

You misread something. He says that Future Flash traps him whereever he is *cough*SpeedForce*cough* costing him everything. So basically he's come back to wreak vengeance for something Barry hasn't done yet.

 

[Toa TAK]

You misread something. He says that Future Flash traps him whereever he is *cough*SpeedForce*cough* costing him everything. So basically he's come back to wreak vengeance for something Barry hasn't done yet.

AH. Okay, I screwed up when Barry asked "Who are you?"

Then Savitar responded with "I am the Future, Flash."

I heard it as straight up Future Flash.

 

[Gig]

I loved the scene where Savitar dragged his blades along the wall in the speed lab. It reminded me of Freddy Krueger in the original A Nightmare on Elm Street.

 

[II-Vanguard-II]

Calling it, Barry is Savitar

OR it could be wally.
both would be great.

 

[strafer]

Calling it, Barry is Savitar

yeah, I have a feeling it's Barry too.

 

[Cafeman]

Savitar is not Barry. He would never kill Iris.

 

[strafer]

Savitar is not Barry. He would never kill Iris.

Well clearly he is evil in the future so he most certainly would.

Kill Iris and bring back Patty.

Timeline restored.