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The Flash S3 |OT| It was me, Barry.
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I think he was so shaken by the idea that he could kill Iris, and felt so certain that there was nothing Barry could do to change things that he didn't want to crush young Barry's hope.
I don't think that future Barry wanted to become Savitar, I think he was just moping because he felt like a danger to all his friends and disengaging from the world so he wouldn't become Savitar (which is probably what the show will say was part of what made him become Savitar...)
I do agree with everyone that having a story where Barry is trying to stop becoming Savitar is more interesting than this whole Save Iris thing. Especially if they threw in a few "By trying to not become Savitar, Barry actually becomes closer to being Savitar."
Hell, after a couple of those, you could have Barry try to not do anything and have that push him further along the path or whatever. They could have brought in the Reverse Flash for an episode where they talk about the dooming expectations of inevitability.
They had to design the suit to fit a tall actor, hence fat Savitar. It's also made out of foam/latex or some other lightweight material, hence the lack of shine.
CG Savitar still got that slim trim and chrome.
I wish they went with this suit but I have a strong feeling Savitar was meant to be someone else when they first wrote this season. There's just too many inconsistencies between the first half of S3 and now.
I wonder if the whole reason they're cludging Killer Frost into this season is simply so Team Flash can talk her down and back to Caitlin, and then they go "if we can do it for Caitlin we can do it for Savitar!"
... then Cisco hides in the rafters and Barry says nice things about Savitar, I guess.
... then Cisco hides in the rafters and Barry says nice things about Savitar, I guess.
Well damn, that makes this season even more disappointing for me.
I could forgive the inconsistent pacing, plot holes and terrible writing if they were winging it to deal with major pivots.
They had an entire season and this was the best they could come up with?
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Except that's who Zoom was! A version of our hero who had been damaged at a young age. This stinks thematically. Every season the villain has been "Evil Flash"
There isn't really an explanation I can think of that will work here but time travel is always messy. If this is Barry from this universe in the future all he has to do to save Iris is exactly what Eddie did. Savitar should know this and it's crazy to even risk that outcome. Barry has jumped on front of things that should have hurt or killed him alot so it's not out of character for him to be a martyr.
I just want reverse flash to come back and have savitar as the reason he hates Barry or something.
Ffs, the killer frost/Vibe/Flash fight was such a waste of time and money. Where did Vibe go when Flash took the hit? Did he just magically teleport? This is not even laughable bad, it is just terrible. And when has any of Vibe's attack killed anyone. My head is just hurting of this stupid show atm. After this season I am done, time to bail.
Yes, and let's hope the show does not continue down that path. Give us some variety. In fact, don't have the villain's true identity even be a secret next season.
Spoiler for Next Season:
Are you saying Barry can identify obvious risks, or not foolishly go ahead with a plan without even briefly considering the ramifications of it?
Because that doesn't sound like the Barry I know.
Are you saying Barry can identify obvious risks, or not foolishly go ahead with a plan without even briefly considering the ramifications of it?
Because that doesn't sound like the Barry I know.
Good point.
Regginator
Member
So they actually went with future Barry, ahahahahahahah this is just too much, I was literally crying of laughter during the """plot twist reveal""". The way they brought it like "WOWOWOW so unexpected!!1!", that was perfect. They need to fire every single writer they have, or at the very least make a Flash comedy show because this is just hilarious ahahaha
GuessMyUserName
Member
Yeahhh all season villains so far...
Reverse Flash
Black Flash
Future Flash
Who's the s4 Flash gonna be?
Reverse Flash
Black Flash
Future Flash
Who's the s4 Flash gonna be?
Clown Flash
But Barry is the main character.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Impressionist flash
Another thing to consider is how the writers c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶d̶ fucked up the way time works in this universe (at least in the way it affects speedsters). Changes aren't immediate and time isn't as "sticky" as it used to be in Season 1. Killing his present self might erase the (original) pre-Speedforce prison Savitar that exists in the far off future, but the future, post Speedforce trapped Savitar (the one that exists in the current timeline) might still be around.
Legends also added a lot of unnecessary bullshit to time-travel. It's basically a clusterfuck right now.
GuessMyUserName
Member
He goes evil again, duh.
Flash flash
Lady Flash
Bizarro Flash
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Apparently they had initially thought of this idea when they were planning Zoom, but went down that Jay Garrick imposter path instead.
They said Irish death made him darker than ever at least according to Abra so it seems is the future flash corrupted imo
Can't be the SpeedForce because it seems to want Barry to stop screwing around and just be a hero
Flashpoint him has no powers
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Barry realises the only way to become fast enough to save Iris is to train inside the Speedforce.
So he becomes so fast but because of this he burns himself (explaining the burns on his face).
So he gets the new Dr. to make him the Savitar suit.
Becomes Savitar to defeat Savitar.
Realises without Savitar he can't become fast enough to save Iris so creates plans which set in motion the start of this season.
Casual loop.
The Flash ends.
Yes, the "I am the Future (,?) Flash" line was the most obvious clue.
But a lot of us didn't put too much credence into that line because it was so stupid and on the nose to be anything but a red-herring.
Apparently we gave the writers too much credit lol.
Basically has to be "our" Flash's future from some point after the warehouse hostage exchange due to his exact knowledge of what happened there.
Unless a Speed Clone Flash was hiding in the rafters as well, I guess.
Or it could still be Cecile and she has Reverse Flash's face-o-matic and she set it to "scarred Barry".
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
With a reveal this late in the game, what would have been a smarter choice for Savitar?
Genuinely asking as I don't have a problem with it being Barry, personally.
Wells.
Oliver Queen
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Eddie Thawne or Ronnie.
Ill say it again so Eddie is the Beast this time the Beast is Cobalt Blue
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I've mentioned this before: either of those would just be fan service and wouldn't​ offer the introspection or character development of it at least being Barry.
Eddie or Ronnie would just be, "Oh shit, look what that paradox portal from S1 did to them. Shame."
I'd rather Eddie come back as a proper Cobalt Blue since they sort of teased at that in the season one finale (cobalt resin, Thawne family heirloom).
Having it be Ronnie... eh. I honestly like Savitar as Barry, I just don't think the season flowed very well for the reveal to be as satisfying.
Guys, he's a time remnant from when Barry was trying to kill Savitar after Iris death and him abandoning everyone. Savitar didn't kill them all which is why he has that scar. This Barry turned evil because he didn't have anyone anymore. Future Barry probably doesn't even know he's alive which is why Future Barry doesn't know Savitar's identity.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Ok but this reveal is redundant. We've had Barry do introspection with both Reverse Flash and Zoom as they were both twisted versions of the Flash. Having it be "dark, future Barry" is way dumber than either Eddie or Ronnie.
How much footage of Eddie going beast-mode on Iris has Barry watched in the time vault?
Why would he not have anyone anymore? He's still Barry. If Wig Barry wanted to be a big shut-in mope that leaves a perfect spot open for some other Barry to fill.
Haven't read the run give us a rundown because it seems like that's what they did