Dubbedinenglish
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Barry needs to go back in time to find the 7 Barrys present when his mother died to help himself fight future Barry.
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The Flash S3 |OT| It was me, Barry.
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That flash comes back, after losing Wally and Iris in an accident. He comes to take normal barry's speed and replace him to become what amounts to superior flash. He also is killing his bad guys.
It also gives Wally a better origin for his powers imo, He's caught in the middle of fight between two speedaters and he's hit with some stray speedforce energy.
Because after Iris got skewered, Barry pushed everyone away. He had nobody. Savitar was probably a time remnant created in an effort to stop Savitar after Iris death, but that failed. Actually, did Barry say when he made this remnants?
Wig Barry pushed everyone away, but that doesn't mean any of the remnants he'd made would feel the same. I guess it all boils down to when he made the remnants, yeah.
Also, why does Savitar have a spike? Barry's bad enough at utilizing his existing godlike powers, why does he need to add a whole new inexplicable thing to his arsenal?
All these questions, and you all already know the answer.
That was also literally the whole point of Zoom too.
Stallion Dan
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What a load of shit.
Speedforce ain't gotta explain shit my ass. With broken or nonexistent rules there is no good drama, no stakes, it all just asspull.
Speedforce ain't gotta explain shit my ass. With broken or nonexistent rules there is no good drama, no stakes, it all just asspull.
While the reveal itself was good, it was so predictable. This needed to have happened the episode after Wally got chucked into the speedforce. They'd given us way too many hints and drawn the mystery out for far too long. This is the problem that comes with needing to shitty crossover episodes as well. There could've been numerous episodes on understanding how Barry turned into Savitar but now we only have 3 episodes to find that out and for our Barry to trap him before he kills Iris. It's going to be rushed.
Pretty funny that he will trap himself in the speedforce only to relive the moment his mother dies for an eternity.
Pretty funny that he will trap himself in the speedforce only to relive the moment his mother dies for an eternity.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Well that happened with no swerve, they did basically give away months ago but, bleeehhhh. It sucks how much this show sank after the first season, worse than Arrow IMO considering how high the first season was for the most part. It hasn't gotten as offensively bad as Arrow's fourth season but I hope they can turn it around it or it's going to be seeing those .5's and .6s like the rest of the CW DC shows next season.
^I think we agreed to wait a week to give people who have seen the last few episodes a chance to catch up since it'd ruin the reveal.
Captain Cold would have been a good Savitar. He absorbs so much time force at the moment of his sacrifice that it becomes his armor and lets him move at incredile speed and through time. He is driven somewhat mad by the event and hates Barry for leading him down the path to becoming a hero who would sacrifice himself in the first place. Kaitlyn trusts him because he's a cold villain and she feels a kind of weird kinship with him. I dunno, it kind of works.
Also, remember.
Captain Cold would have been a good Savitar. He absorbs so much time force at the moment of his sacrifice that it becomes his armor and lets him move at incredile speed and through time. He is driven somewhat mad by the event and hates Barry for leading him down the path to becoming a hero who would sacrifice himself in the first place. Kaitlyn trusts him because he's a cold villain and she feels a kind of weird kinship with him. I dunno, it kind of works.
Also, remember.
And you'll never expect someone who is dead
Stallion Dan
Member
Or you can just not put spoilers in a title and fuck over anyone not in NA or with VPN.
So he really did create himself. That's actually a really interesting idea. It's just that they didn't have to drag out this entire season to get to it.
BLOODED_hands
Member
Is our Barry still that dumb to go and grab another remnant to fight Savitar? Why yes, yes he is.
Oh well.... At least this gives them a chance to develop Wally into a better character now, right?
I'm not trying to find out who this Future Flash is because my brain will explode. Speed Force ain't gotta explain shit.webm
Oh well.... At least this gives them a chance to develop Wally into a better character now, right?
I'm not trying to find out who this Future Flash is because my brain will explode. Speed Force ain't gotta explain shit.webm
Almost literally everything we have come up with in this thread works better than what we have.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
I was hoping it would be Joe's girlfriend. Or Jay Garrick.
I dunno. I was just underwhelmed.
So Killer Frost is okay to get along with DAMAGED Barry if it means beating friend Barry? Does that mean I can ship them?
I dunno. I was just underwhelmed.
So Killer Frost is okay to get along with DAMAGED Barry if it means beating friend Barry? Does that mean I can ship them?
I don't think he's smart enough for that, even in the future.
Undead Fantasy
Member
That was fucking amazing.
Who's The Beast, though?
We been over this it's Eddie
It is future future Barry that stops past Barry from saving his mom.
Ahhhh - this explains how time remnant Barvitar remembers what Barry has done even though it should be a new timeline. The time remnant gets updated memories.
serenewarfare
Banned
But then how would Savitar be able to tell Caitlin the exact words Barry would say before he even said them? That's not a new memory until it happens.
serenewarfare
Banned
But then why did Savitar ever exist to kill Iris in the first place if Savitar in theory wasn't created until after her death in order to stop, well, Savitar?
Begaria
Member
With Lenny's head floating around him saying "Dental plan!", Marge's head saying "Lisa needs braces.", and Savitar's head saying, "I'm the Future, Flash."
Are all the Barry's from that moment accounted for?
Yup - this is it. Savitar's existence is a closed loop.
Teletraan1
Banned
What a terrible season. I think it is worse than Supergirl. That show is just bland, this is actually insulting. If future me would have told myself that I was suffering through a Flash episode to watch a much more enjoyable iZombie after how good season one of the Flash was I would have told myself to gtfo.
A poorly constructed bootstrap paradox?
Not the twelve hiding in the picture.
At this point the writers should just copy Person of Interest and have the next episode intro (My name is Barry Allen ... I am the Flash) replaced with evil Future Barry narrating his origin story (complete with snippets of scenes shot purposely for this), ending with "I AM SAVITAR".
Cause with 3 episode left I really doubt they left themselves any room to do a Savitar origin story.
Cause with 3 episode left I really doubt they left themselves any room to do a Savitar origin story.
Savitar probably just told Caitlin "I'll probably say a bunch of dumb platitudes. Just make up the most inane 'you're better than this' crap and odds are that's what I'll say."
"Also, if I know me, I'll probably tell Cisco to use his powers that allow him to quickly teleport to another location to hide in the rafters or something."
I thought that they would explain SaviBarry was going to be pre-flashpoint Future Barry, where current Barry basically killed off his timeline and SaviBarry survived as a remnant not before being hit hard by Black Flash or Time Wraiths, hence the scarring.
As for SaviBarry getting the memories of current Barry, I thought that could also be explained like how Current Barry was assimilating the memories of the flashpoint timeline, he had memories of both.
Why the suit? Stops him from taking normal damage and maybe masks himself from the Time Wraiths and Black Flash
But I dunno
TH;DR:
Savitar = Pre-flashpoint Future Barry pissed at current Barry for ruining his life and erasing his timeline, scarred by Black Flash for being a time remnant.
As for SaviBarry getting the memories of current Barry, I thought that could also be explained like how Current Barry was assimilating the memories of the flashpoint timeline, he had memories of both.
Why the suit? Stops him from taking normal damage and maybe masks himself from the Time Wraiths and Black Flash
But I dunno
TH;DR:
Savitar = Pre-flashpoint Future Barry pissed at current Barry for ruining his life and erasing his timeline, scarred by Black Flash for being a time remnant.
Stallion Dan
Member
Savitar should have imploded like RF the moment he revealed himself, since it changing the past and doing something to erase himself.
serenewarfare
Banned
No way. They specifically had Cisco call that spot out for being so specific on what he was going to say. The made a big deal of Savitar somehow knowing Barry's exact words.
I know, I know. I was being facetious.
If Savitar Barry is Our Barry's future (which he basically has to be, as he has exact knowledge of that conversation), either:
A) Everything is predetermined - Everything that's happening has already happened, with no way to change it.
or
B) Barry has free will - Barry will realize he only becomes Savitar because Savitar kills Iris, and he doesn't want Iris to die or to become Savitar, so he can just kill himself or tie himself up or even just decide "I'm not going to become Savitar", and then he doesn't become Savitar and the whole thing corrects itself.
or
C) He proposes to himself, because he noticed SaviBarry wasn't wearing an engagement ring.
Savitar exists from Savitar killing Iris.
Savitar already exists however cannot change the course to Iris dying hence needing KF and Alchemy to do the dirty work.
Even if Barry prevents Iris from dying, Savitar from the future still exists cause speedforce.
Basically: the only solution is to completely remove Savitar from time itself
Savitar already exists however cannot change the course to Iris dying hence needing KF and Alchemy to do the dirty work.
Even if Barry prevents Iris from dying, Savitar from the future still exists cause speedforce.
Basically: the only solution is to completely remove Savitar from time itself
Have we established any characters that are "outside of time"? I can see them doing a big Deus Ex Machina at the end with a character who exists outside the timeline being able to change it because they're not technically in it.
Ideas:
1) Cold? They could asspull this by having Barry grab him from a different time, and grabbing a dead time traveler from a different time creates a weird paradox.
2) Rip Hunter? Rip left the Legends at the end of the season, I could see him showing up to help Barry out, especially after Future Barry was the one who sent him the message saying not to trust Barry.
3) Reverse Flash? Reverse Flash already shouldn't exist, so he'd fit as someone who could modify things.
4) Black Flash? Maybe trick Savitar into doing something that would create a paradox, then Black Flash or the Time Wraiths come after him (although this would be a big repeat of Season 2).
Septimus Prime
Member
Also, Emo Barry 2024 is either from an alternate future, or he lied about not knowing who Savitar is.
Where was it explained that Savitar exists from Savitar killing Iris?