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The Flash S3 |OT| It was me, Barry.
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I thought Barry came back from Flashpoint at the same moment in time he left, not months later (even though he spent months in flashpoint)? Barry disappeared months from work? It's weird enough the Barry that worked with a csi partner for a year is completely gone and replaced with the Barry who didn't know he had a partner at work.
No, he spent three months in Flashpoint, then returned to the new/old timeline three months after the S2 finale. Time passed equally. He still lived his life in the post-Flashpoint timeline, he just doesn't remember it.
Meanwhile Cisco nearly ruined the team by bringing it up at literally the worst possible time.
He was an ass but I don't blame him for feeling the way he does. I doubt I'd be able to forgive Barry if I were in his shoes.
Heh, this Cisco really burns barry to the core. So painful to watch sometimes, Barry really wants to stay with Cisco but Cisco remaining bitterly cold and only sticking around out of duty. Great character building stuff. I just hope that when he finally see that Cisco has burnt Barry enough the emotions really starts crashing in causing Cisco to forgive/pardon and become close to Barry again. Bros gotta stick together.
Meanwhile Felicity and Ragman are cool now even though their situation was worse
MHWilliams
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Basically, the few months he lived in Flashpoint? That still happened in this new timeline, he just doesn't remember it. Dante died during that period and Caitlin's powers manifested.
Julian and Diggle's kid are the only outright changes that happened prior to that missing period of months.
MikeBreezy92
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No he went back right where he left.
Felicity and Ragman weren't close friends.
I still think their situation was worse off than Cisco and Barry.
Someone needs to get into Cisco's face and tell him Barry didn't deliberately murder his brother and there was no way Barry would know that would even happen. Barry also seems to be overlooking the whole possibility that Reverse Flash most likely fucked with things before returning Barry from Flashpoint
Possibility? As I recall Thawne outright taunted Barry by saying things would be different.
I'm personally enjoying people making it very clear to Barry that he fucked up, big time. That said, I'm sure those two are going to make up soon. There's only so long the writers can drag this out for.
to be fair, he lives on a time ship with replicators and shit
Oh right yeah Joe and Wally were wearing the same clothes.
...but Arrow and Legends are forward a bit in time and Flash caught up to those despite no indication of time jumps forward and going into the mid season finale it'll be December in those shows again.
MikeBreezy92
Member
Yeah....I try not to think about all that lol.
nah, 2016 is still a garbage year.
cereal_killerxx
Junior Member
That episode gave me Avengers vibes. It was excellent. Super girl is fantastic when she's not on her own show. And the battle between her and Barry was jaw dropping. The special effects were nearly movie quality. I'm amazed at what they can achieve today on television.
Hannor Mir
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You think the Legend's will tell Barry about their dealings with
You would think that would be the first thing they mention. Hopefully they bring it up in the Legend's part of the cross-over.
Eobard/Reverse Flash?
thats my problem with Supergirl's show now lol. Flash made me see they don't treat her right at all on her show.
Yeah.
Makes me sad, too, considering Supergirl was my first foray into the Arrowverse.
If Barry did know I don't think there's much he could do since it's already been established that he can't really go back and fuck with past Thawne because it causes issues with the present.
Oh, on that note. How come the Waverider apparently never picked up on the changes caused by Flashpoint?
cereal_killerxx
Junior Member
Yeah.
Makes me sad, too, considering Supergirl was my first foray into the Arrowverse.
Yeah... I think I'm done watching Super girl aside from the crossovers. She's waaaay too weak. I also don't really care for the Alex suddenly lesbian subplot.
Yeah.
Makes me sad, too, considering Supergirl was my first foray into the Arrowverse.
Supergirl in this was amazing.
Eeeehhh. I'm still going to keep with it. But I just finished the first season of The Flash and it's absolutely enthralling all the way through, then I look at Supergirl and I'm like "wat".
It could've easily have been brainwashed Supergirl vs everyone else and she still would've wrecked. She kicked ass in this episode.
Everybody was just completely outclassed. Nobody could touch her. She gave no fucks about any attack the whole time. It was great!
That was my favorite exchange.
KonradLaw
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If they ever send Oliver to Earth's 38 he needs to come back with kryptonite, just in case
Speedforce.
Mars Attacks came immediately to mind for me. But more menacing.
I'm fairly certain she did, prior to Flashpoint. And I think she said exactly the same thing the first time. I could be misremembering though.
Jorok Goldblade
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Next week's episode sounds pretty emo - Cisco driven.
It doesn't pick up every change to the timeline. Just the ones significant enough to mess up history.
Dante, Baby Sara, and Caitlin just don't matter to history.
Yeah, hopefully she'll kick as much ass in the next episodes.
Mine, too.
Barry can't even put his own villains down.
The new arrow team had no idea, but Ollie set them straight. As he does these days.
That and I think been said Speedsters go through time like a knife through butter. The things like Time Pirates and them are like a sledge hammer to time. So I think it's more likely that it's easier to pick up the more shock changes then the smooth changes.
That and keep in mind, the Time Council is gone. so they are all alone and their resources are limited and not as great to detect changes.
That and keep in mind, the Time Council is gone. so they are all alone and their resources are limited and not as great to detect changes.
Like, how anyone that stupid?
Star City has a vigilante called The Hood/Arrow who dresses in a green hood, is a white guy with stubble, and shoots arrows. Not long after he's gone, a new white guy with stubble who wears a green hood and shoots arrows shows up and does all of the exact same shit as the old guy.
Star City must be populated with Barry Allen time fragments.
lol. To be fair, in season 3 The Hood/Arrow was unmasked as mr flip master "Roy Harper". so on the news it was revealed he and not Oliver was the Arrow/etc.
At least not as bad as Supergirl/Superman world where wearing glasses is your "disguise" lol
But speedsters have time wraiths keeping them in check because the story demanded it I guess.
The Legends seem to have the safest method of time travel, but they're purposely traveling to points in time to fix issues before they set rather than change anything.
WrenchNinja
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Huh? In Flashpoint, just the act of moving through time because Barry used the entire speed force to chase after Thawne and stop him from killing his mom created shockwaves which made the alterations like the government finding the Kryptonian ship before the Kents, Bruce taking the bullets instead of his parents, etc. Thawne straight up tells him in issue 5 that Flashpoint was all on Barry being terrible time traveler without the treadmill.
Because the.. i forgot the actual name... the time computer that snard sacrifice himself for is destroyed so the Waverider has lost all abilities to trace all time anomolies.
But when it went to the future last season, Diggle already had a son instead of Sara. So... Flashpoint maybe was "always meant to happen?"
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I wouldn't spend time over thinking it. The "rules" of time travel change in service to the plot, especially in Legends. Combine that with whatever Flash does from time to time, and trying to figure it out would be an exercise in frustration.
Basically, a wizard did it...
I would imagine because what Barry did ultimately didn't alter history as the characters know it. It likely was very localized to Barry and his immediate circle he came into contact and then he undid it for the most part fairly quickly. Then the aftermath was again seemingly limited to just people around Barry. So because it didn't change the fate of the country or world the way other stuff does in Legends it just likely didn't show up on their radar. Maybe didn't even get a chance to. Remember it takes a while before changes to flow through time to get to them and to be come permanent. So I guess those are the time travel excuses.
Also Legends has largely been caring about protecting the past. They aren't paying attention to the future the way Rip was. They likely can't because of the finale of season 1 of Legends. So they have to work with the info they have looking backward. For all they know the entire future has been screwed up and going by future Barry's message it likely is. So they haven't shown any interest in the future beyond their lives nor do they have a way to even view it if they had the interest.
This is ultimately why Rip Hunter is important and needs to come back. This is a huge blind spot for them as a team.