
2012 Race Calendar said:01-AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX (Melbourne) 16 - 18 Mar
02-PETRONAS MALAYSIA GRAND PRIX (Kuala Lumpur) 23 - 25 Mar
03-UBS CHINESE GRAND PRIX (Shanghai) 13 - 15 Apr
04-GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX (Sakhir) 20 - 22 Apr
05-GRAN PREMIO DE ESPAÑA SANTANDER (Catalunya) 11 - 13 May
06-GRAND PRIX DE MONACO(Monte Carlo) 24 - 27 May
07-GRAND PRIX DU CANADA (Montréal) 08 - 10 Jun
08-GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE (Valencia) 22 - 24 Jun
09-SANTANDER BRITISH GRAND PRIX (Silverstone) 06 - 08 Jul
10-GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND (Hockenheim) 20 - 22 Jul
11-ENI MAGYAR NAGYDÍJ (Budapest) 27 - 29 Jul
12-SHELL BELGIAN GRAND PRIX (Spa-Francorchamps) 31 Aug - 02 Sep
13-GRAN PREMIO SANTANDER D'ITALIA 2012 (Monza) 07 - 09 Sep
14-SINGTEL SINGAPORE GRAND PRIX (Singapore) 21 - 23 Sep
15-JAPANESE GRAND PRIX (Suzuka) 05 - 07 Oct
16-KOREAN GRAND PRIX (Yeongam) 12 - 14 Oct
17-AIRTEL INDIAN GRAND PRIX (New Delhi) 26 - 28 Oct
18-ETIHAD AIRWAYS ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX (Yas Marina) 02 - 04 Nov
19-UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX (Austin) 16 - 18 Nov
20-GRANDE PRÊMIO DO BRASIL 2012 (São Paulo) 23 - 25 Nov
Driver Lineup said:Red Bull Racing Renault
1 Sebastian Vettel (GER)
2 Mark Webber (AUS)
McLaren Mercedes
3 Jenson Button (GBR)
4 Lewis Hamilton (GBR)
Ferrari
5 Fernando Alonso (SPA)
6 Felipe Massa (BRA)
Mercedes
7 Michael Schumacher (GER)
8 Nico Rosberg (GER)
Lotus F1
9 Kimi Räikkönen (FIN)
10 Romain Grosjean (FRA)
Force India Mercedes
11 Paul Di Resta (GBR)
12 Nico Hulkenberg (GER)
Sauber Ferrari
14 Kamui Kobayashi (JPN)
15 Sergio Perez Mendoza (MEX)
STR Ferrari
16 Daniel Ricciardo (AUS)
17 Jean-Éric Vergne (FRA)
Williams Cosworth
18 Pastor Maldonado (VEN)
19 Bruno Senna (BRA)
Caterham F1
20 Heikki Kovalainen (FIN)
21 Vitaly Petrov (RUS)
HRT F1
22 Pedro De La Rosa (SPa)
23 TBA (TBA)
Marussia F1
24 Timo Glock (GER)
25 Charles Pic (FRA)

AcridMeat said:I don't think DRS is a permanent solution. Really they just need to have the cars run less downforce in general again, which is highly unlikely. KERS seems to work fine but at the same time it seems to offset a bit of what DRS is supposed to help with. I'm not really sure what a replacement for DRS would be, so if they just refine the DRS zones maybe that will be better. There have been times this season where people are stuck behind someone anyway, despite using all their KERS/DRS. Mostly because of the dirty air behind the car.
Seanspeed said:I've found DRS to be an incredibly useful tool for spicing up the action. Its true there's been certain weekends where the DRS zone was a little too long or a little too short, but I feel they've done a pretty good job with it overall. There's rarely been a time this season when a faster car hasn't had at least the possibility of getting by the car in front, which is how it should be.
KERS, on the other hand, seems nothing but a lot of extra hassle for pretty much nothing. Until they allow a bit more development of the units, or at least give them a bit more energy to store and allow the teams to use KERS in different ways(say, as a fuel-saving device rather than power boost), I'd say KERS is there merely so the FIA can say they are using a 'hybrid powertrain'.
kharma45 said:Glad to see KERS return, it helps to negate the automatic overtake that some think that DRS is with it being a good defensive tool against it at times.
As for DRS, it has unquestionably led to more overtaking but refinements need made to double DRS tracks where drivers were able to overtake one straight only to lose the place straight away again in the next zone, totally defeated the purpose of having DRS as it just ended up cancelling itself out. If they're going to employ double DRS again it needs to have a substantial gap between the two zones.
Myoclonic Jerk said:KERS is absolutely a welcomed addition, with only the time restriction, drivers are free to use it at any place which will require drivers skill when they're attacking/defending
DRS is too artificial and its been a hit or miss during this season. We've seen it either making overtaking too easy or almost not useful at all. Just like today's race in Brazil. Maybe next year it will be better with some tweaking after collecting all the data from this season. Personally I'm against it
Lucius86 said:KERS - good, but I wish it was mandatory and a consistant system.The bottom 3 not having it is a real disadvantage. DRS is here to stay - at times it work wonders, at times not - but with tweaking I am happy to see it stay.
NihonTiger90 said:I think it's not a bad idea but it needs some tweaking, both on the mechanics of it and especially the DRS zones on a number of tracks. Before anyone complains about it making racing "artificial,"every major racing series I follow has some sort of artificialness to it. NASCAR mandates designs for safety that also happen to make passing a lot more common on its tracks by allowing the field to be competitive; IndyCar has "push-to-pass", etc. No one wants a racing series where the race is determined in the first corner and you spend the next 70 laps essentially as a parade. KERS and DRS might take some of the skill away in some respects ... but it adds a lot more (where to use it, when to use it, etc.) so it all balances out.
rogue_pigeon said:Glad to see KERS return, but I feel DRS has proved too unpredictable to justify its place in the future of F1. A more powerful, standardised KERS unit would achieve the same goal.
Foliorum Viridum said:I don't think that they are the perfect solution to overtaking problems in F1 as they definitely feel too superficial at times, especially when you have double DRS zones and the cars ultimately just switch roles for a brief time before taking back their original position, however it is undeniable that both have made the races more enjoyable to watch this year. I'm not sure what the ultimate solution to creating more overtaking is, but until a better alternative is found I'm happy with DRS and KERS being in the sport.
Sleeplessnights said:I , like many others, like KERS more than DRS. DRS made overtakes look far too easy, it's the other end of the extreme. I'd rather not see DRS and see KERS being used as an overtaking tool. That way drivers still get upclose but still take risk because they'd be side by side.

olore said:KERS: Technology which hopefully can rub off on the rest of the world and make the cars we drive everyday greener. Battery technology should also benefit in someway from the research done. Does it make the racing feel slightly synthetic with a push-to-pass button? No, I do not feel that way.
DRS: More overtakes is good right? Actually, yes, even though this tech makes them feel even more synthetic or one might even go so far as to label them "cheap". I think it spices up the racing.
ANDY_098 said:Hard to definitively say how much effect these two have had. KERS has been a success this season I feel, though DRS should be abandoned. It has made the racing too artificial and isn't really required as the tyres produce exciting racing on their own.
dubc35 said:I like both. I want DRS to be available everywhere instead of zones during the race. Why should practice and qualy be different from the race?
S. L. said:KERS is fine, it's a tactical tool available to everybody and allows some nice setting up for overtaking or defending.
DRS - what a disaster. Took the excitement and tension out of most races. In the words of some BBC goon: "it allows faster cars to be 'released' into their 'proper' position" (paraphrased). Which boils down to the races ending in 'proper' order in relation to the car speed. There are no surprises, if a slower car manages to get further up the grid during the race with clever strategy or bold driving, well surprise, DRS 'releases' all the faster cars past them.
DRS is artificial, boring and shit, worst thing that happened to F1 in a long time.
Dead Man said:KERS I like, it is good to see new technology being used in F1 rather than banned. I do wish it wasn't regulated so strictly, so teams could explore more efficient setups. DRS is a massive failure to me. I think with tweaking it could provide good racing, but it should not be the solution pursed at the expense of other methods. I like the idea of driver adjustable aero devices, but again, the artificial way in which they are implemented is not doing anything other making an artificial spectacle.
rhfb said:KERS I like, because it is up to the driver to decide when to use, and only provides a little help. I can't really think of anything to make it better, but the BHP/Time might be looked at.
As for DRS, I'd rather see it removed than have it continue exactly as it is. I had several issues with it, mostly with the inconstancy of the DRS, from track to track. Another thing I didn't like about it was how a lapped car could trigger DRS for the lead car of a pack, making DRS for the following cars pointless.
Even though it is gimmicky, I did enjoy seeing more passing this year. Hopefully the new 2012 regulations increase passing via natural methods.
jey_16 said:I am a huge fan of KERS but I think the regulations at the moment reduce its effect too much, six seconds a lap just isn't long enough. Maybe they have to think about increasing the power output as well. Still on the fence in regards to DRS, it does make some races more exciting but sometimes it's just too easy, there has to be a balance because it just feels a bit too artificial at the moment. I have no idea how they fix this though
SunhiLegend said:DRS combined with KERS have been an interesting experiment this season. Combined they've definetly made the races more exciting this year if not a little too artificial on some tracks. Turkey was one example where I thought it was way too easy to overtake using the DRS, then you had some tracks like Valencia where it made little to no difference. I definetly think the sport is moving in the right direction and giving us exciting races with this new system, they just need to continue tweaking it to get it just right for the many different tracks. One area where I hope it stays the same is in qualifying, drivers pushing the car to the limit trying to figure out the best areas on the track to open the rear wing and deploy the kers without over doing it.
RomanticHeroX said:I think KERS, at least, has some value as an interesting new tech with interesting applications on road cars. It's also well balanced, so as to provide an interesting layer of strategy and not be too effective for either the defending or overtaking car. DRS, on the other hand, is the worst, most artificial push-to-pass bullshit. Depending on the circuit, it's either an absolute guaranteed pass once you're in range to activate it, or so ineffective as to not matter. I honestly think DRS hurts the quality of the racing, because what's exciting about a great pass isn't the pass itself, it's the setup. How the driver positions himself, how the defending car reacts. When you just push a button and suddenly are 20kph faster, that completely ruins what's interesting. I don't really care if KERS says or goes, but DRS is garbage.
Deadman said:I think drs and kers have worked quite well. There were some races where drs was too powerful and others where drs was too weak, but now that the stewards have data on how it works at each track they can adjust the zones next year to make it just right.
Edmond Dantès said:They've provided some scintillating action on the track, but the racing seems very artificial. But F1#s about entertainment after all and if these two pieces of technology keep on providing action on the track then so be it. We may well be lamenting their loss in a few years time.

Adamm said:DRS - To put it simply, it didnt work. On certain tracks it made overtaking way too easy - it was basically a 'push to overtake button' that the leading car could do nothing about.
It means the person behind is in a better posistion that the person infront - which should never be the case.
Also on tracks that really needed help with overtaking, DRS did nothing to help them. DRS cannot save poorly designed tracks.
Kers - Hard to judge as its normally used with DRS for overtaking. But I cant see how it can ever have much of an impact - one car will use it to attack & the other to defend therefore cancelling each other out.
But its one more thing on a car that can go wrong & was one of the few things that gave me hope at the start of last season that red bull could be beat. So for reliability reasons alone, I like it!![]()
Xun said:Both KERS and DRS have in my opinion made the sport this year tremendously exciting. Neither are liked by all but I think they both have aided in overtaking, and it proves just how cutting edge F1 truly is with technology.
DrM said:KERS is good addition from the beginning (IMO), but DRS needs some additional tweaking. It made overtaking much easier, but in some cases DRS zones were badly placed. So FIA will have to decide, if they will pursue with DRS use and re-tweak the rules for it or will they drop it and stay with KERS only. But in this case, they should make it stronger (more HP, like 80+) and allow it being used for more than 5 seconds.
moojito said:It wasn't a great idea to bring them both in at the same time, I think. While it was clear that something had to be done to
increase overtaking, maybe it could have been done with one or the other, keeping the number of artifical overtaking aids to the minimum.
Psychotext said:KERS or DRS individually I could take or leave, but I find the combination of the two to make racing a little more interesting. If you pay attention you will see some drivers burning through all of their KERS to protect from an overtake in a DRS zone. This leaves them open to attack in another area of the circuit... which generally means for more varied overtaking. Sadly that's still reliant on the circuit supporting overtaking though.
I don't like double DRS... I got so sick of watching a driver pass and then get passed right back in the second zone. Also, they need to make it so you don't get DRS on cars you're lapping. Let's face it, it wouldn't exactly be hard to do in software.

AcridMeat said:The tires have been great in general. Just a few instances where commentators have said someone must be dropping off a cliff soon and they went on to complete an immensely long stint just fine. The one complaint is that it isn't much of an advantage to go balls out in qualifying and burning all of the sets. It's a trade off. Personally I'd rather have exciting races.
Seanspeed said:Pirelli has been a revelation. They've done exactly whats been asked of them, they've continued to follow up on developments despite being the sole tire supplier, and the faster-degrading tires really do add to the action on-track and allows for plenty of tinkering with strategy on-the-fly. I do feel that perhaps they could improve on consistency from set-to-set, as there's been too many times that a car would be at home on a set of tires, switch to a new set, and then flounder. Could be the car in some cases, or even the driver, but I think its happened enough to point fingers at Pirelli. All in all, though, a great job.
kharma45 said:Pirelli tyres have been a mixed bag throughout the season. Initially they were fantastic, unpredictable in their durability with dramatic losses in grip once you go over the 'cliff' made for some great races, but it seemed by the end of the season their durability had improved and Pirelli had made the tyres a lot more resilient. Overall they've been a lot better than last season for entertainment, and I wouldn't mind seeing the return of the tyre war.
Myoclonic Jerk said:Surprisingly good. they've delivered in most of the races. definitely a plus to the sport and they've done a much better job than Bridgestone
Lucius86 said:Pirelli tyres have been a godsend, although I wish we saw degradation levels back to earlier in the season - seeing people hit 'the cliff' made the races more unpredicatable.
NihonTiger90 said:Kinda indifferent. They seen better than the Bridgestone tires and there's no real problems with them, so I'm OK with Pirelli.
rogue_pigeon said:Welcome addition. Glad to hear they're planning on being even more aggressive next year.
Foliorum Viridum said:I think the tyres have under delivered in terms of creating unpredictable tyres that force spur of the moment strategy changes. I feel that as the the season has gone on the tyres have become more and more reliable and ultimately aren't too different from what we had last year. I liked it when they "fell off the cliff" without any warning and I want to see more of that.
Sleeplessnights said:The scrap teams had to go through at the start of the season because they didn't understand the tires was wonderful to watch, my technical highlight of the year. Prefer it over the blown diffuser as it had really changed the racing. Balance now is much better but looking forward to next year to see what Pirelli has in store.
olore said:The drivers need to manage them and they punish those drivers who aren`t. There`s a fine line to thread and I believe they introduce an interesting variable to the show.
ANDY_098 said:Without a doubt Pirelli have been the best thing to happen to F1 this season, even without DRS and KERS the tyres would have produced exciting racing.
dubc35 said:I really liked them this year. I hope next year is very similar.
S. L. said:Pirelli tires are one of the best things that happened to F1. Tyres matter, strategy matters, driving matters. Great stuff!
Dead Man said:Pirelli tyres were good, again, I don't like the having to use both types, or the limited sets of types rules, but the tyres themselves were fine.
rhfb said:I loved the new tires. I absolutely hated the one stop races that we saw in 2010. If we can't have refueling during the race then having to make multiple stops at least adds some element of pit strategy to the race. I'd love to see refueling come back though.
jey_16 said:Pirelli did a good job considering it was there first season, most races I feel had a good balance between degradation and grip and there was way too much fear that we would see 4-5 stop races which wasn't the case. Again, I think the rules need to be improved, give the teams more choice in which tyre they want to run instead of restricting them to two types per race weekend.
SunhiLegend said:The Pirelli tyres have made a huge difference this year, many of the overtakes this season were because of the tyres. Pirelli have done an amazing job making it more difficult to call strategys due to the difference, in some cases huge difference between the different tyre compounds. There were some races at the start of the season where we had drivers pitting 3-4 times in the race simply because as soon as the tyres were losing rubber they lost time dramatically. It seems that Pirelli during the latter half of the season caved in to some of the continuing pressure from the teams to make the tyres more durable, although it could be that the teams have found a solution to the tyre wear and made them last longer. Personally I think they have found a good balance between durability and keeping the races entertaining.
RomanticHeroX said:Horner was recently lamenting Pirelli's decision to be so conservative after the first few races, and I agree. For the first couple, degredation was high and as a result teams had a lot to play around with for their strategy. When the tires are too hard then essentially we're back to the Bridgestone years. I think the tire wars were absolutely great for the sport, but Pirelli pushing teams with higher degredation could be exciting too. If not, then whoever provides the tires is irrelevant and the Pirellis become a non-issue.
Deadman said:Pirelli made probably the biggest contribution to the exciting racing last year and they should be applauded for doing so in a way that could have risked their reputation (viewers seeing pirelli tyres always fall to pieces etc).
Edmond Dantès said:Pirelli have provided some reasonable tyres over the season, but some have been downright awful and bordering on disgraceful. Again, it seems as though the tyre situation has been manipulated in order to up the entertainment levels.
Adamm said:At the start of the season they were great, they went from being amazing to complete rubbish in the space of 2 laps & teams/drivers had no idea how to deal with them. This lead to some of the most exciting F1 races for years. But as the season went on the tires improved & the teams learned how to use them. So although still better than bridgestone, they are still lasting too long in my opinion. But without a tyre war what tyre company are going to purposly make thier tyres rubbish?
Xun said:Likewise the addition of Pirelli tires has helped with overtaking and making the sport more exciting this year.
DrM said:Pirelli tires performed better than expected, but they could still make it better. But this is their first season, so they get some of this slack off their shoulders. But for the next year I hope that they will make difference between softer and harder compound bigger. So that soft tire will be much faster but it will degrade like crazy and opposite with harder compound.
moojito said:Overall the tires have performed well, though it seemed earlier in the season the they would degrade much more suddenly, though perhaps this has lessened as teams have gained a better understanding of how they work.
Psychotext said:Pirelli tyres were awesome... emphasis on were. I don't know if it's that Pirelli backed off a bit and made them more durable, or if the teams got a handle on them, but I loved the early races where it looked like some drivers were going to have to make 4 or 5 stops because they were destroying their tyres. I want to see those ultra fast, ultra delicate tyres back again next year.