fu3lfr3nzy
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The Formula 1 2011/2012 Off-Season Thread |OT| The Year of the Red Bull
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Indeed. More rule changing that will not reduce costs, but rather increase them.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
God damn they are getting insane with their definition of moveable aero device. And yet DRS.
Big Takeover
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Lotus need to do a better job of not letting the cat out of the bag.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I really hope its not true. I still can't see it on autosport or ESPN
If it is, well, I'm sure that Ferrari is behind it
If it is, well, I'm sure that Ferrari is behind it
Yup, because Ferrari like sabotaging themselves by spending time and resources designing a system and getting it approved by the FIA only for them to campaign to ban it a couple weeks later.
I'm convinced that people are posting stupid shit here just to get a reaction out of me.
More than just costs, its cost a week and half of development time for some teams. May not sound like much, but when you think about how fast teams develop during the season in-between races, its definitely noteworthy, compounded by the fact that the teams dont have to worry about race weekends and 100% of their focus is on development. Its a very costly thing for teams to have to go back on.
Myoclonic Jerk
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dude, I don't give a rats ass what you think I don't even read ur posts!
for the argument's sake, Ferrari were pushing for the ban on blown diffuser although they've "spent time and resources designing the system" as well..
Pretty much, last year mclaren developed a fancy exhaust system which relied on a expensive material to cope with the heat, at the last minute before testing the FIA banned that material leaving mclaren grandly fucked and trying to use a exhaust system which spent more time melting itself then anything else. In the end they had to redesign a massive section of the rear of the car and the floor and run it completely untested in the first race.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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I see a few, obviously not exhaustive, possibilities:
The FIA's clarification seems to be very precise, which leads me to suspect that that another team has 'exposed' the full implications/workings of such systems, while those that had submitted their systems for checks had left certain details out.
OR
The FIA passed Lotus' system, but have since seen some other teams' solutions which are more extreme and have decided to kill them all off before it spiralled out of control.
OR
The FIA's initial judgement of legality was preliminary, and having had more time to research the full implications have deemed it illegal. (Although I saw no mention of it being preliminary, so I'd think this one is less likely)
I expect all this to blow up big-time again during/after testing as well, as the true impact of the ban on teams' relative performance is exposed.
Ferrari wanted the blown diffuser banned in spite of having developed it because it still wasn't on par with Red Bull's version and they couldn't perfect is as much as other teams did. Banning the ride adjustment system isn't in Ferrari's interest mainly because Red Bull have said that they don't have such a system developed, so Ferrari would have had an advantage there. If you ask me, it's more likely that Red Bull was behind the ban than Ferrari (although it wasn't necessarily either one).
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Heh, the 3D render being used as a background image on the Lotus F1 website is rather chuckle-worthy.
I severely doubt Ferrari are anything to do with this ban. They were one of the first teams (after Lotus) to get a system approved so you can assume would be one of the best developed.
If I had to guess I would say Red Bull (who seemed uninterested in the system) or one of the middle/back of the grid teams (who would struggle with resources to develop this new system alongside the rest of their car) who were the influence behind this ban.
If I had to guess I would say Red Bull (who seemed uninterested in the system) or one of the middle/back of the grid teams (who would struggle with resources to develop this new system alongside the rest of their car) who were the influence behind this ban.
Foliorum Viridum
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The way rules and regulations are decided and changed in F1 are pretty ridiculous. I mean, just look as Silverstone last year.
Pretty embarrassing. A sport should be more organised. Not fair on teams, drivers or spectators.
Pretty embarrassing. A sport should be more organised. Not fair on teams, drivers or spectators.
brotkasten
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Red Bull? That's not possible. They're the Good Guys.
It will be awesome, just like last year.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Fantastic papercraft skills exhibited here:
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9909
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9909
Nothing live, might get a few seconds of video on SSN if were lucky. There will definitely be lots of photos though.
I think it's in the way it's implemented and described to the governing body.
Going back to the double deck diffuser in 2009, a lot of the teams were upset that they were told the idea was illegal, yet Brawn, Toyota and Williams passed scrutineering with the diffuser in place.
Chances are, Lotus and Ferrari could yet roll up in Melbourne with the system in place and pass scrutineering if the way they've gotten it to work doesn't infringe on the FIA's regulation as is written.
Thanks, can't wait for the season proper to start.
Same
See this in that thread from the OP?Edmond Dantès;34459071 said:
Amazing. In the least, probably an opportunity for him to design some papercraft merch, I guess? Maybe something more...
I know one person who WON'T be going to Albert Park if they keep it up...
Im OUT, OUT of the hospital! Hahaha! Trips to the Caribbean are over rated. Where else can you get 3 meals a day delivered to you for free (CDN Healthcare)? Plus, if you act up a bit you can even get free narcotics! You guys/gals are missing out.
But seriously here is the Coles Notes version:
Sooo Wednesday night I passed out with no warning. I was at my computer and asked for water then like a light switch I was out. Half of Toronto's Fire Trucks & paramedics arrive. Off to good ol' William Osler Emergency, wait, wait, X-Rays then bumped up to Critical Cardiac Unit early Thursday Morning. A few ECG's, IV's. Friday more ECG's then an ultrasound on my right lung as they found fluid around it. So then they want a sample which involved a 10cm long needle in my back, through my ribcage (which the Dr. kept on hitting) & sucking some fluid out. Then a few X-rays to make sure the Dr. didn't puncture my lung. Ultrasound on my heart, ECG again. Other miscellaneous procedures later and this morning I was cleared for discharge. One cardiologist thought they would put in a pace maker but my main cardiologist vetoed that as well as resetting my heart and basically said for now to let "sleeping dogs lie."
Not a coherent paragraph at all but a Coles' Notes version like I said.
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Back to F1, I've got almost all my media accounts and tomorrow I'll start trying website layouts after
I've got some cool F1 documentaries to upload too!
But seriously here is the Coles Notes version:
Sooo Wednesday night I passed out with no warning. I was at my computer and asked for water then like a light switch I was out. Half of Toronto's Fire Trucks & paramedics arrive. Off to good ol' William Osler Emergency, wait, wait, X-Rays then bumped up to Critical Cardiac Unit early Thursday Morning. A few ECG's, IV's. Friday more ECG's then an ultrasound on my right lung as they found fluid around it. So then they want a sample which involved a 10cm long needle in my back, through my ribcage (which the Dr. kept on hitting) & sucking some fluid out. Then a few X-rays to make sure the Dr. didn't puncture my lung. Ultrasound on my heart, ECG again. Other miscellaneous procedures later and this morning I was cleared for discharge. One cardiologist thought they would put in a pace maker but my main cardiologist vetoed that as well as resetting my heart and basically said for now to let "sleeping dogs lie."
Not a coherent paragraph at all but a Coles' Notes version like I said.
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Back to F1, I've got almost all my media accounts and tomorrow I'll start trying website layouts after
I've got some cool F1 documentaries to upload too!
Betta Lines
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Why?Heh, the 3D render being used as a background image on the Lotus F1 website is rather chuckle-worthy.
Perfectly coherent but holy hell, what an ordeal. Hopefully you're not too shaken and it was just a one-off.Im OUT, OUT of the hospital! Hahaha! Trips to the Caribbean are over rated. Where else can you get 3 meals a day delivered to you for free (CDN Healthcare)? Plus, if you act up a bit you can even get free narcotics! You guys/gals are missing out.
But seriously here is the Coles Notes version:
Sooo Wednesday night I passed out with no warning. I was at my computer and asked for water then like a light switch I was out. Half of Toronto's Fire Trucks & paramedics arrive. Off to good ol' William Osler Emergency, wait, wait, X-Rays then bumped up to Critical Cardiac Unit early Thursday Morning. A few ECG's, IV's. Friday more ECG's then an ultrasound on my right lung as they found fluid around it. So then they want a sample which involved a 10cm long needle in my back, through my ribcage (which the Dr. kept on hitting) & sucking some fluid out. Then a few X-rays to make sure the Dr. didn't puncture my lung. Ultrasound on my heart, ECG again. Other miscellaneous procedures later and this morning I was cleared for discharge. One cardiologist thought they would put in a pace maker but my main cardiologist vetoed that as well as resetting my heart and basically said for now to let "sleeping dogs lie."
Not a coherent paragraph at all but a Coles' Notes version like I said.
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Back to F1, I've got almost all my media accounts and tomorrow I'll start trying website layouts after
I've got some cool F1 documentaries to upload too!
Glad you're back, in any sense
mclaren777
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I'm now $100 poorer.
Psychotext
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I do hope you've got some idea of how much those seats are eventually going to cost you...
I got pretty excited when I saw that email. It is coming!
I'm not going to put down a deposit because I want to be in between turns 15-16 overlooking the Hockenheim-like stadium section. Should be able to see the cars coming off the backstretch too if I can get up high enough. I'll go grandstand some other year or maybe for the V8 Supercars or MotoGP.
The new Circuit of the Americas site looks really great too.
I'm not going to put down a deposit because I want to be in between turns 15-16 overlooking the Hockenheim-like stadium section. Should be able to see the cars coming off the backstretch too if I can get up high enough. I'll go grandstand some other year or maybe for the V8 Supercars or MotoGP.
The new Circuit of the Americas site looks really great too.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Because all that driver can see in front of him is steering wheel and sky!
Myoclonic Jerk
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Isn't Kimi testing today?
Myoclonic Jerk
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thanks
..any idea where can we get details? or do you happen to know the timing as well?
thanks
any idea where can we get details? or do you happen to know the timing as well?
Only details I found were that it's happening at Ricardo Tormo tomorrow and Tuesday. They will try and do as many laps as possible so will be running for most of the day I imagine.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Edmond Dantès;34459071 said:
woow this is amazing.. read this
I wish him all the best
thanks
Myoclonic Jerk
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Edmond Dantès;34459071 said:
Agreed. That's insane.
Flawless.
brotkasten
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This site is so sad.
"Decades of hard work", still not a F1 world champion and still celebrating his 2010 wins. :lol
vandaliser
Banned
I am sorry but the FIA is joke. Only in formula 1 you will find risk taking and innovation banned. I feel for lotus. All that money and research time just gone to waste.
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