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The Formula 1 2011/2012 Off-Season Thread |OT| The Year of the Red Bull

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Ark

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ANDY_098 said:
Even the technical regs (in 2014) are unlikely to shake up the field too much as the new regs are based around the current set i.e. no Venturi tunnels. The grid will remain the same basic order with the teams with the most resources at the top followed the by the midfield teams and HRT bringing up the rear.
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It's still something to look forward to I guess.

Also, found a 2011 fan-made season review, has a bunch of commentary in it, all HD, really well made. Not sure if it's already been posted, but here it is anyway.
 
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Ark said:
It's still something to look forward to I guess.

Also, found a 2011 fan-made season review, has a bunch of commentary in it, all HD, really well made. Not sure if it's already been posted, but here it is anyway.
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Watching a few engines and turbos blow up should be worth waiting for, I'd bet there will be a few failures during the season!

Pretty decent montage. Still no FIA Gala review it seems, I guess that it will eventually be put up onto F1.com but there's plenty of good fan-made ones around so not a big deal if it's not.

The FIA also have their own youtube channel now (http://www.youtube.com/user/FIAOfficialVideo/). Nothing good yet, but worth keeping an eye on it.
 
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Ark

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Maybe FOM will actually start uploading their race edits & on-boards onto YouTube now instead of making us use that dreadful streaming player they have.

Not long now until the Daytona Rolex 24hr and Daytona 500.
 
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Ark said:
Maybe FOM will actually start uploading their race edits & on-boards onto YouTube now instead of making us use that dreadful streaming player they have.

Not long now until the Daytona Rolex 24hr and Daytona 500.
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Both inconveniently occurring whilst I'm away at uni so I'll have to deal with whatever streams I can find.

Although that reminds me that tickets for Le Mans are selling out pretty fast this year, last year I didn't get my tickets until after the Daytona 24, this year I got my tickets in November and there weren't many left!

Still yet to decide on going Silverstone this year because to be honest it isn't that great. I'll probably end up going anyway with a general admission. The grandstands are stupidly expensive and you can get equally good if not better spots from a general admission (although you will need to arrive at 5am!).
 
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Edmond Dantès;33837450 said:
Le Mans in 2012 will be amazing.
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Been waiting since Le Mans 2011 ended.

I'd have loved to go to Le Mans 2012, but I've got exams around that period so it's just not possible. 2013 however, hopefully I'll be there.
 
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Ark said:
Been waiting since Le Mans 2011 ended.

I'd have loved to go to Le Mans 2012, but I've got exams around that period so it's just not possible. 2013 however, hopefully I'll be there.
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Luckily my exams always finish the first week of June!

Le Mans is definitely on the way up with regards to manufacturers. Toyota this year, Le Mans in 2014.

The ACO need to sort out the GT classes though. There aren't enough manufacturers, look at GT3, they have Merc, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Ford, and probably others I've forgotten. Having a strong GT entry is often overlooked after the LMPs, but the racing if often far closer down the field than the prototypes.
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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I've been watching that Promises one quite a few times. Really captures how good the season was.

Shame about the shit font/end to the video. Kinda lets it down.
 
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Ark said:
It's still something to look forward to I guess.

Also, found a 2011 fan-made season review, has a bunch of commentary in it, all HD, really well made. Not sure if it's already been posted, but here it is anyway.
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No obvious Webber in that at all, with the exception of the HRT fist-shaking and *maybe* his Eau Rouge pass. He may have been a disappointment this season but that video didn't even show an iota of his one win, nor any of his achievements. Not even taking that into account, the Promises one seemed to fit much more of the season in it. And also, in the music and the edits, echoes how I feel on reflection of the 2011 season moreso than the Coldplay one.
 
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The Coldplay one is the one Ark posted, isn't it? Is that Coldplay or some other shit band that sounds like Coldplay?
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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Oh, I have him on ignore, heh. There are many shit bands that sound like Coldplay, but it probably is Coldplay because they sound especially shit.

You need an upbeat song for a F1 review, anyway, I think. F1 is such a thrilling sport you need to capture that in a video with good editing and a song with a nice beat. PROMISSESSSSS DUN DUN DUN DUN.
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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Okay you might have found worse music to go with an F1 montage than Coldplay :p

Edit: Yeah, just watched the Coldplay one and it was crap. Didn't capture the excitement of F1 at all.
 
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Ark

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So, favourite moments of three years of BBC F1 coverage?

Mine has still got to be post-race Brazil 2009, the wonderful story that was Brawn GP & Button and the BBC managed to get inside the garage amongst everyone else.
 
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Omiee

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you guys sure want mclaren to improve a lot, damnn.

to be honest i want red bull to have the same advantage to start the season, but what i really want most is mercedes and renault to step their game up.

Maybe even sauber and force india having a car that can fight for a podium


f1 2011 review bluray should be delivered tomorrow, cant wait!!
 
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ANDY_098

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Ark said:
So, favourite moments of three years of BBC F1 coverage?

Mine has still got to be post-race Brazil 2009, the wonderful story that was Brawn GP & Button and the BBC managed to get inside the garage amongst everyone else.
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I've got to agree with that. Such an emotional time considering 12months earlier everyone in that garage was unemployed!
 
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Omiee said:
you guys sure want mclaren to improve a lot, damnn.

to be honest i want red bull to have the same advantage to start the season, but what i really want most is mercedes and renault to step their game up.

Maybe even sauber and force india having a car that can fight for a podium
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I was about to ask why in the hell would anyone want that but then I remembered your love for Vettel. The last thing I think most people will want this season is another RBR car that dominates, or if it's going to attempt to, at least make it entertainingly unreliable.

I do agree though about Mercedes, I hope they can start to break into the top 3.

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Maybe FOM will actually start uploading their race edits & on-boards onto YouTube now instead of making us use that dreadful streaming player they have.
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I really hope that is the case, whatever they use is beyond dire.
 
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I don't think Mercedes will break into the top 3 this season as the technical signings they made came too late to affect the 2012 car. If they have a strong starting point I think they could develop well over the season and score a few podiums towards the end.

Can't see Lotus doing anything special. Renault have gone for good now and this season they did very little development during the season which shows they don't have the resources other teams do. Also the Lotus management will be new to F1 so I think they will be slow to realise how much money they need to inject into the team before they improve on track.

Edmond Dantès;33840178 said:
Daily highlights on Eurosport in the 10pm slot throughout the duration of the rally.
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Thanks, nothing live then?
 
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kharma45 said:
I was about to ask why in the hell would anyone want that but then I remembered your love for Vettel. The last thing I think most people will want this season is another RBR car that dominates, or if it's going to attempt to, at least make it entertainingly unreliable.

I do agree though about Mercedes, I hope they can start to break into the top 3.



I really hope that is the case, whatever they use is beyond dire.
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Merc are already downplaying this season and claiming that 2013 will be the year that everything really comes together for them. They're starting to sound just like BMW, Honda and Toyota in their claims and we all know what happened to them.

Yes, they have a strong motorsport heritage, but so do the aforementioned teams and they all disappointed and this is still essentially team Brackley and apart from 2009 and some fleeting glimpses of brilliance in 2004, they're also rans.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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kharma45 said:
Well there goes my hopes of Schumi getting onto the podium without some luck.
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Podiums are possible as they will have certainly improved and they supposedly have this new concept that will give them a much needed boost, but that was leaked by AMUS if I remember correctly, so the other teams have probably already figured out how to copy and integrate it into their own designs, if necessary.
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Oh, I have him on ignore, heh. There are many shit bands that sound like Coldplay, but it probably is Coldplay because they sound especially shit.

You need an upbeat song for a F1 review, anyway, I think. F1 is such a thrilling sport you need to capture that in a video with good editing and a song with a nice beat. PROMISSESSSSS DUN DUN DUN DUN.
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Just noticed that my comment has 4 thumbs up on that vid! Well, 5 up and 1 down. WHO HERE HATES WEBBER?!?
 
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Ark

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Omiee said:
you guys sure want mclaren to improve a lot, damnn.
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Seeing McLaren so close to the top, but so far away is heart wrenching. This is a team that is always there in one form or another and they've now got what is arguably their best driver line-up since Senna and Prost, we've seen Hamilton out-perform Button and we've seen Button out-perform Hamilton, now all we need to finish the triangle is for them to have a car that is totally capable of winning the championship from the very first race of the season.

It's akin to feeling the same way for Alonso at Ferrari this year. Alonso is more than obviously still capable of winning races and championships, he drove the balls out of the car this year and it's almost unjust to see someone who has already proved himself in every way to be let down by the team who cleanly dominated the sport for five years.

Now that Force India have gotten rid of Sutil, it'll be nice to see them build a car that can take on Renault much more consistently and maybe even shake a stick at Mercedes.
 
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Scarbs is brilliant as usual with his diagrams.

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As described in the illustrations and texts, the wing assembly (including the nose) is as follows. The nose hole is used to pass air down through the front wing pylons into a slot on the underside of the wing. It appears that the slot has a wide span and is very narrow.

This design is somewhat similar to Mercedes early 2010 F-duct rear wing, which was passive. The driver didn’t have a control duct, as with the McLaren system. Instead the ductwork would only blow with enough force to stall the rear wing at a certain airspeed. Tricky to design and tune, this system worked well for Mercedes last year. Its not improbably that just such a system could be made to work on the front wing.
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Foliorum Viridum

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But seriously, why?

I get that you like Vettel but it'll be more entertaining to watch him fight in a close battle every weekend than it will be for him to run away with it.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Foliorum Viridum said:
But seriously, why?

I get that you like Vettel but it'll be more entertaining to watch him fight in a close battle every weekend than it will be for him to run away with it.
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I liken it to watching Roger Federer or Tiger Woods or Muhammad Ali etc dominating their respective sports, people just like seeing sportsman at the peak of their powers.
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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Yeah but surely Vettel will reach his peak with tighter competition. He probably always has something in reserve with such a faster car.

I love watching Vettel race but you didn't get much of that last year because he was so far in front for the most part. I want to see him push to get past people/defend his position etc.
 
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Edmond Dantès;33840844 said:
I liken it to watching Roger Federer or Tiger Woods or Muhammad Ali etc dominating their respective sports, people just like seeing sportsman at the peak of their powers.
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Watching a racing driver at the 'peak of their powers' is watching one that races, not one that drives comfortably around in machinery that's faster than everybody else's.
 
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Omiee

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Edmond Dantès;33840844 said:
I liken it to watching Roger Federer or Tiger Woods or Muhammad Ali etc dominating their respective sports, people just like seeing sportsman at the peak of their powers.
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I agree.

I loved and still love watching federer with my grand father, the good old tiger and messi play.

Watching sport and seeing someone win that you like is much more fun, than seeing the guy you root foor lose or what ever.

Maybe thats totally different from most of you guys here, but i have no real connection with any of the drivers or players in sports, so i watch it for the entertainment. And nothing is more entertaining than watching the guy/team you root for win.


Also its unfair to say that the largest part of the reason vettel won this year was because of the car. Its his skill, and his teams strategy that won most of their races.
 
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ANDY_098 said:
Is this designed to stall the front wing or to feed the underfloor?
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Scarbs seems to think it's stalling the front wing.
Typically slots in the wing are for two purposes; aiding or stalling the flow over the wings surface. How the slot creates these two very different effects depends on the slots angle to the wings surface.

To aid the airflow, you need a slot blowing nearly inline with the surface and airflow. Known as Tangential flow, this flat entry angle creates a relatively wide slot when viewed externally.

To stall the airflow, you need a slot blowing at near right angles to the surface. This creates a narrow slot when viewed externally.

Looking at what you need to aid or stall the airflow also requires different placement of the slot.

To aid the airflow, you would inject the flow from the slot in an area downstream on the wings surface where the boundary has slowed and thickened. On a front wing this would arguably be somewhere on the flap towards its trailing edge.

To stall a wing, you want to upset the airflow where it’s moving quite fast, for a front wing it would be placed towards the leading edge of the wing. Last year with F-ducts we saw the stalling slots initially placed on the flap, until Renault placed theirs on the main plane for a better stalling effect.

This analysis suggests the narrow slot towards the leading of the front wing is for stalling not aiding the airflow.
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Source
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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rogue_pigeon said:
Watching a racing driver at the 'peak of their powers' is watching one that races, not one that drives comfortably around in machinery that's faster than everybody else's.
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Agreed.

Button was arguably the most impressive driver this year for me because of this. The way he fought back against Vettel in so many races was great to see.

If I had a choice between Webber, who is by far my favourite driver, scrapping it out like he did this year or winning every race with very little resistance I'd be inclined to say I'd have it like it was this year. It's nice to see him win, but it's better to see him go side-by-side with Alonso like a nutter because he's pushing so hard.
 
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Ark

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Omiee said:
Also its unfair to say that the largest part of the reason vettel won this year was because of the car. Its his skill, and his teams strategy that won most of their races.
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Last year you could have claimed it was the machinery, this year, it all the man himself.

Foliorum Viridum said:
It's nice to see him win, but it's better to see him go side-by-side with Alonso like a nutter because he's pushing so hard.
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Or because he's not fast enough to put the car where it belongs, in-front of the McLarens and not lingering around with the Ferrari's.
 
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