fu3lfr3nzy
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What consistency? Everyone will have to get used to the turbo engines all over again just like they had to get used to heavier cars due to refuel ban and tires that degrade whenever they feel like it.
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The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT2| WHY AREN'T YOU WATCHING THIS SEASON?!
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What consistency? Everyone will have to get used to the turbo engines all over again just like they had to get used to heavier cars due to refuel ban and tires that degrade whenever they feel like it.
Silly season early thoughts:
McLaren: Button/Perez
Red Bull: Vettel/Webber
Ferrari: Alonso/Kovalainen
Mercedes: Hamilton/Rosberg
Lotus: Raikkonen/Hulkenberg
Force India: Alguersuari/di Resta
Sauber: Massa/some pay driver
Williams: Maldonado/another pay driver
Toro Rosso: Vergne/Ricciardo
Caterham: Petrov/de la Rosa
Marussia: Glock/Grosjean
HRT: Out of business
And that's that.
Isn't Petrov running out of money?
Hello to everyone! First post over here on F1-GAF! I'm a big Kimi fan (and Kobayashi too, but who isn't?) and in the past I was a fan of Senna and Irvine. The announcements today were so big, feels really weird for both Hamilton and Perez. I thought that Hamilton would stay in Mclaren for much more time. About Perez, I really don't understand why Ferrari haven't signed him. IMO it's really risky for Ferrari to have both Vettel and Alonso in 2014. What is going to happen if Alonso beat Vettel easily? I can imagine in 2015 it will be much more difficult for Vettel to regain his confidence. Talking about Mclaren again, is the deal for the Mercedes engines for the 2013 season done?
Yup :/ Russian Helicopters I think have pulled out, as well as an association with the Russian government (I think?). Either way, this could well be his last year in F1 if that manager of his doesn't pull some miracle out of her arse like she did this year.
Welcome to the thread!
Vettel to 2014 isn't quite confirmed yet, I think. Some kind of pre-contract dealie but nothing full blown as far as I know. There was some speculation that with a smaller engine Honda may want to come back, but I don't think it got farther than just pure speculation. McLaren have to pay for their own engines soon, but again, speculation on whether that means they'll buy Mercedes engines or not. Someone even suggested they may build their own engines.
Vettel to 2014 isn't quite confirmed yet, I think. Some kind of pre-contract dealie but nothing full blown as far as I know. There was some speculation that with a smaller engine Honda may want to come back, but I don't think it got farther than just pure speculation. McLaren have to pay for their own engines soon, but again, speculation on whether that means they'll buy Mercedes engines or not. Someone even suggested they may build their own engines.
Shame, I actually like the guy. DO SOMETHING PUTIN!
Also, if Kobayashi is left without a seat, we have to visit his sushi shop.
mclaren777
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Thanks! Interesting, in fact on an italian tv show some months ago Ginacarlo Minardi hinted that there is a possibility that Mclaren will have the Ferrari engines next year. That would be crazy, I can't imagine the possible reaction from the Mclaren fans.
There's some memento mori for me about Schumacher's situation. I'd really love to see him stay with Merc to like 2015, because I know he can win a WDC with the right car and he'd deserve to be there when that happens with the time he's put in, but good ol' time makes fools of us all. I'm sad, because this time it's so irrevocable. I guess it's just another lesson in letting life be life, and trying to shift focus on being as involved as I have been with Schumacher (I can literally turn off a race if Schumacher is out. I really only watch full laps in practices if it's following Schumacher), because it's made the sport ever so much more fun for me. No one has been so different to everyone else, yet so dominant. Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso will pretty much drive similar looking laps, personalities of their cars aside, but I still find Schumacher doing something slightly different from everyone else in some corners here and there. It just reminds me so of Spain GP 1996.
Myoclonic Jerk
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RomanticHeroX
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It's amazing to me people complain about rampant budgets while never giving teams more than a year or two of consistent regulations. Turbos are neat but smaller engines are dumb, so I'll be glad if this is true.
That would be very funny. Hope its true.
Pretty sure Grosjean is staying with Lotus, Bouiller said so. Also, I hope to see some new faces coming from GP2.Silly season early thoughts:
McLaren: Button/Perez
Red Bull: Vettel/Webber
Ferrari: Alonso/Kovalainen
Mercedes: Hamilton/Rosberg
Lotus: Raikkonen/Hulkenberg
Force India: Alguersuari/di Resta
Sauber: Massa/some pay driver
Williams: Maldonado/another pay driver
Toro Rosso: Vergne/Ricciardo
Caterham: Petrov/de la Rosa
Marussia: Glock/Grosjean
HRT: Out of business
And that's that.
I love what you've written, quite passionate but actually said with some eloquence and quite a degree of control. I'd probably have similar feelings about Webber once he's out.
I don't know whether you were referring to motorsports in general or just F1, but Sebastien Loeb has been far more dominant in WRC than Schumacher ever was in his respective series. I honestly can't think of anyone who has been such a clear, consistent standout against their competitors for so long. He's pulling back on the reigns this year, too.
Considering Mercedes makes the best engine on the grid now anyway, it's still the best move he can make in that regard. PEACE.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Yeah because engines win races now... oh wait!
I doubt the move was about the engines. The move would have been heavily weighted by the team Mercedes has assembled and the foundations they've set over the last few years, this year especially.
It's a shame we have to wait another week before we can get all the media paddock interviews on the matter
fu3lfr3nzy
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The new engines never made sense to me. Ok, so they're shooting for a more Eco-friendly image(lol) but developing completely new engines costs a lot of money in a sport that has been trying to reduce costs in nearly a decade.
I'm all for keeping the V8s a little longer, but just raise the damn limiter FFS.
Edit: reading the article, gotta love how this has Ferrari International Assistance written all over it.
I don't support the whole 'FIA - Ferrari link' thing, but I have to agree with you on this one.
With Schumacher out of Mercedes, my favourite F1 ad is suddenly not as relevant anymore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMObqBKCTkM
Speaking of McLaren, you guys seen their new hypercar?
http://www.topgear.com/uk/paris-mot...e-mclaren-p1-revealed-full-details-2012-09-27
http://www.topgear.com/uk/paris-mot...e-mclaren-p1-revealed-full-details-2012-09-27
RomanticHeroX
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That car looks so fucking smug.
IISANDERII
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I guess the other thing this deal makes me think off is where does this leave Red Bull? If Vettel is going to Ferrari which seems more certain now then ever, im surprised they didn't make a stronger pitch to Hamilton and pair him with Vettel next year and then sign some young gun for 2014 when Vettel leaves. Now come 2014, who are they left with? Webber isn't exactly a spring chicken anymore....
Thing with Webber is, though, is that he's not shown any signs of driving worse than he has any other year. Most would usually have displayed some kind of drop in performance at this stage of their career, but he's as good a driver as he's ever been IMO. I still think he has a good 3-4 years in him at a top-tier team at least.
I just replied to your post claiming Lewis gambled on engines, when it's really not a gamble moving to the team that makes the best engines on the grid. PEACE.
Big Takeover
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PdotMichael
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what is if Alonso will face a similar year as 2007? Pretty silly question.
No wonder, Ferrari is only engine developer that is not happy with 2014 engine rules
Otherwise, i do not find Hindustan Times very reliable when comes to F1 news
I am a Mclaren fan and a Hamilton fan, I can understand why Hamilton wants to leave Mclaren for another Team ( Mercedes ).
I blame Mclaren for that, they kept falling short every year from taking the grand prize due to stupid silly mistakes, unreliability and bad decisions.
I do believe it is time for Hamilton to move on, but still Mercedes have not shown a capable car yet, not sure if the first year or 2 we'll see a wining car from Mercedes.
People who say that Hamilton ran to Mercedes for their engine is a little silly to be honest, any one can get Mercedes engine if they paid for, Mclaren had them and would have signed an extension with Mercedes if Hamilton demand it!
But I have never expected Perez for Mclaren, now that is a surprise indeed. should be awesome and interesting to see Perez with a capable car.
I blame Mclaren for that, they kept falling short every year from taking the grand prize due to stupid silly mistakes, unreliability and bad decisions.
I do believe it is time for Hamilton to move on, but still Mercedes have not shown a capable car yet, not sure if the first year or 2 we'll see a wining car from Mercedes.
People who say that Hamilton ran to Mercedes for their engine is a little silly to be honest, any one can get Mercedes engine if they paid for, Mclaren had them and would have signed an extension with Mercedes if Hamilton demand it!
But I have never expected Perez for Mclaren, now that is a surprise indeed. should be awesome and interesting to see Perez with a capable car.
I highly doubt the new engines get postponed. The development for 2014´s is very far advanced, one could say in the finishing stages. No engine manufacturer wants to see this R&D costs blown in the wind.
Oh, and the Merc engine deal with MCL is done. It´d take a wonder to change that now.
Oh, and the Merc engine deal with MCL is done. It´d take a wonder to change that now.
Thing is, I don't know if what I wrote is because it's true or just because I'm a fanboy and am obviously biased. I'm pretty sure this is as good as he's driven his entire career (with the possible exception of 2010, but that may have been more car than him) and certainly hasn't had any kind of notable dropoff.
I´d say it played a huge part.
When you´re a driver in 2014, in what kind of car would you like to sit? One with the customer engines, that probably get but the first iteration for all season? Or a car of an engine manufacturer, who´ll be updating and finetuning this engine all year long?
bobnowhere
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Silly season early thoughts:
McLaren: Button/Perez
Red Bull: Vettel/Webber
Ferrari: Alonso/Kovalainen
Mercedes: Hamilton/Rosberg
Lotus: Raikkonen/Hulkenberg
Force India: Alguersuari/di Resta
Sauber: Massa/some pay driver
Williams: Maldonado/another pay driver
Toro Rosso: Vergne/Ricciardo
Caterham: Petrov/de la Rosa
Marussia: Glock/Grosjean
HRT: Out of business
And that's that.
McLaren: Button/Perez
Red Bull: Vettel/Webber
Ferrari: Alonso/Massa
Mercedes: Hamilton/Rosberg
Lotus: Raikkonen/Grosjean
Force India: Hulk/di Resta
Sauber: Kobyashi/Guitierrez
Williams: Maldonado/Bottas
Toro Rosso: Vergne/Ricciardo
Caterham: Kovalainen/Alguersuari
Marussia: Glock/Random Pay Driver
HRT: Clos/Random Pay Driver
My changes in bold obviously!
- Massa to keep his seat, better the devil you know.
- Guitierrez to take use perez money assuming they don't need it at Mcclaren.
- Senna gone, Bottas seems to be Williams' golden child.
fu3lfr3nzy
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Senna back to Marussia :lol
I can´t see di Resta with Force India, with them switching away from Merc engines. I´d guess DIR and MSC at Sauber, HUL and ALG at FI.
Sauber will have Schumi and Pic Jr. Kobi will be out next season.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Are they?
Has Gutierrez even had any FP runs at all? What if they brought in two new drivers but gave Gutierrez every friday so he's ready for 2014?
Myoclonic Jerk
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I don't support the whole 'FIA - Ferrari link' thing, but I have to agree with you on this one.
With Schumacher out of Mercedes, my favourite F1 ad is suddenly not as relevant anymore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMObqBKCTkM
That's an awesome ad
thankswell not on current engines, but on future engines for 2014. Word around the paddock was that engines will be the biggest determining factor in the first few years of introducing them
Now I said if his move was encouraged by that, and now BE says they might be scrapped, well.... LOL
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I don't think it's a silly question, it's just one of the possibility that Ferrari have to take into consideration before doing a team with both drivers. Not sure what the problem is with my question, I wasn't suggesting that Alonso is much better than Vettel if that was the problem. I think both are really good drivers and with Hamilton and Kimi they represent the best in F1 right now.
Kimi Raikkonen. His contract with Lotus ends next year and he already has links with Red Bull since they sponsored him during his rally days.
They will have to adapt. Someone is going to beat the other but no one is going to dominate the other. And this is completely different than 2007. This time the intruder will be Vettel not Alonso. Hamilton was always the golden child at McLaren and of course the team liked him more than someone that just arrived. Now it will be the exact opposite with Alonso being the "preferred son".
However Ferrari is thinking in the future with this move, Vettel will be their driver for the next 10 years well after Alonso retires.
Foliorum Viridum
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He seems to be the type of guy who would bow out before that drop happened, though. This year he was debating it a bit before re-signing with RB it seemed like in a BBC feature.
As much as I love Webber, I think 2013 will be his last year...
zomgbbqftw
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So I was discussing the moves last night with a few friends from work, we were all wondering what happens to Perez when he out qualifies and out scores Button. Hamilton was pushed out by Whitmarsh to protect his golden boy, I don't see how Perez will be immune from this and all of us came to the conclusion that Perez will find himself on his way out of McLaren half way through the 2014 season as Whitmarsh seeks to protect Button again.
Whitmarsh is going to drive McLaren racing into the ground, Ron Dennis needs to fuck him up and sack him.
Whitmarsh is going to drive McLaren racing into the ground, Ron Dennis needs to fuck him up and sack him.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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This is getting really boring.
Perez won't out qualify Button at least not the first year. Kobayashi out qualified him in most of the races.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Redbull wanted Kimi in 2010 but for some reason they didn't even reach the contract negotiations phase, and ended up sponsoring him for his first year in his rally adventure.
They could've offered him for 2011 but they didn't, what will make them want him again after 3 years? I don't see it happening.
Kimi's place is at Lotus till the end of his career, which I don't foresee going beyond next year. Unless next year's Lotus was even better than this one and he challenges for WDC for real
They are changing from 2.4 litre V8 to 1.6 litre V6
Myoclonic Jerk
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And that is also being challenged by Bernie and Ferrari who want to extend the current engines for few more years if not scrapping the new V6s altogether
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