Yeah Ferrari have been against it since the start. Especially when original proposal was for 4 cylinder engines.
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Yeah Ferrari have been against it since the start. Especially when original proposal was for 4 cylinder engines.
I know about the engine change, but was referring to the engine freeze during season!
mclaren777
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I also think Lewis has made a foolish mistake.
Martin Whitmarsh said:
brotkasten
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Whitmash is right. Look at all the titles McLaren won in the past decade. Why would anyone leave them?
mclaren777
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In my mind they've won two WDC (2007 and 2008) and one WCC (2007) so I think Mclaren is a really strong team.
Foliorum Viridum
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I hope the engines don't change. On road cars where you do 60/70mph max then sure it makes sense to cut down etc etc.
In F1? Who gives a fucking shit. The engines should be loud, powerful and everything else. Taming the sport is such a stupid idea.
Myoclonic Jerk
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If he left for Ferrari then your statement would make sense.
Not everything is about statistics. Even when Ferrari were Shit McLaren was up there fighting for wins
They are the faster team to bounce back and its almost guaranteed to have a race winning car every single year (bar 2006)
You are really obsessed with Martin Whitmarsh, aren't you?
Since when what only happens in our mind count for anything?
In my mind, Button was champion in 2008.
I agree with you about that, but Ferrari has always played safely about drivers in the last years, maybe they can still leave Vettel free to sign a one year contract with Red Bull and then sign him in 2015.
I remember hearing some news about Pic signing for Caterham, can't see why Sauber would choose Gutierrez over Bianchi too (Ferrari giving up its two young drivers ?).
Lewis leaving was the right decision. Was it about the money...well kind of. Salary is always a reflection of worth.
Hamilton - Alonso - Vettel (not in that order).
Are the top three drivers in F1. Drivers you can build you team around. Cost saving a few million pounds?
The team effectively chose Button with the contract they brought to the table.
Even if it doesn't work out for Lewis, to be offered less money from one of the greatest teams in Motorsport really was quite telling.
The team forced his hand...
Hamilton - Alonso - Vettel (not in that order).
Are the top three drivers in F1. Drivers you can build you team around. Cost saving a few million pounds?
The team effectively chose Button with the contract they brought to the table.
Even if it doesn't work out for Lewis, to be offered less money from one of the greatest teams in Motorsport really was quite telling.
The team forced his hand...
Jinjo
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Aside from the fact that McLaren matched Mercedes' offer. Ya know.
fu3lfr3nzy
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Source? You're the first person to say this.....
Jinjo
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102848
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102923
It's driver's salaries though so we'll never get the real story.
I'm Martin Whitmarsh.
Martin whitmarsh also said it on an interview with sky sports on Fridays F1 show
Whitmarsh went on record saying they had to cut his salary in many interviews throughout the season. (inappropriate to comment in the middle of negotiations but he did). When it was clear that hamilton was going to leave they came in with more money I am sure, maybe they even matched the Mercedes offer. But this has much more to do with the relationship and respect between the driver and the team than just money. They didn't fight for him soon enough. You have to question why.
If they were going to replace Hamilton with say Alonso or Vettel...fair enough. Button and Perez is a downgrade. I love Perez and wish him well but he a developing driver. But only time will tell perhaps he'll hit the ground running...
Evolution_1ne
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that's who I was forgetting, holy fucking shit that would be amazing.......but I really like lotus and would want them to remain a potential frontrunner......
NihonTiger90
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Red Bull to be renamed Magnum Ice Cream Racing in 2014 confirmed.
Vodka Red Bull. DUH.
Well, if signing Gutierrez means that they keep all those current mexican sponsors I guess that might have quite some weight..
mhh my guess would be, that Hulkenberg gets the open slot at Sauber.
for the smiles : http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/30/hamilton-team-mate-pretty-easy-push-track/
Hamilton jokes about, how easy Nico is to overtake
for the smiles : http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/30/hamilton-team-mate-pretty-easy-push-track/
Hamilton jokes about, how easy Nico is to overtake
CurlySaysX
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I like Perez and passionately hate McLaren. I am so emotionally confused.
I imagine this is just banter between two friends, rather than 'lol Nico is a waste of space'.
Show us on the doll where the bad men hurt you.
Evolution_1ne
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ClassyPenguin
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brotkasten
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I can't imagine how weird and awkward the atmosphere and situation in the McLaren garage must be, when Lewis is around. He can't expect to have the full team support behind him.
Foliorum Viridum
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I dunno, you'd like to think that for six races they're gonna push for him to get a WDC. Next season is next season, right now he's driving for them and can get them a championship.
That's how I'd look at it, anyway. I'm sure he has a lot of friends in that garage who understand that sometimes you gotta move on.
They will still support him, just as they did with Kimi when it was an open secret he was going to Ferrari. McLaren's need for a WCC will be greater than any animosity towards Hamilton.
I think McLaren will be disappointed to lose Hamilton but will not miss him now that they have secured Perez for next season.
You guys really think the team that prides itself on being the best (for sake of argument, cba to check facts), would hamstring itself at the best shot they've had at the title since 2008?
They're far more professional than that.
I'm sure Perez is an exciting prospect for the rest of the team, but I'd bet my hat that McLaren will miss one of the best drivers in the world. Am I still the only one who thinks it's somewhat embarrassing that McLaren lost Hamilton?
They're far more professional than that.
I'm sure Perez is an exciting prospect for the rest of the team, but I'd bet my hat that McLaren will miss one of the best drivers in the world. Am I still the only one who thinks it's somewhat embarrassing that McLaren lost Hamilton?
criesofthepast
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My first year posting in F1 GAF was going pretty good until school started up again. I haven't posted or watched any of the past 3 race weekends live. 
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Japan and Korea actually work out way better for my schedule as I'm usually up till the crack of dawn studying so hopefully I'll be able to watch in the background. I despise 8AM EST starts.
((Japan and Korea actually work out way better for my schedule as I'm usually up till the crack of dawn studying so hopefully I'll be able to watch in the background. I despise 8AM EST starts.
Of course he can. This season he is scoring more points for their WCC title bid than Jenson so they are going to keep pushing to get that title. If they try and screw him over out of a WDC shot they'll miss out on the WCC in the process. They might not care about Hamilton winning the WDC but the WCC is too lucrative to miss out on out of spite.
Any team would miss a driver like that. Like Ferrari would miss Alonso and RBR would miss Vettel.
I agree with you, from a McLaren point of view it seems like they didn't think there was anywhere for him to go and so didn't put up enough fight to keep him until it was too late. Maybe they thought that since they nurtured him that he would stay there regardless.
I hope he does well at Merc. I doubt it'll be next year so Vettel and Alonso are probably rubbing their hands together at the prospect of having a 2 man shoot out for the title.
I think it's a good move for him, he'll have the chance to try and show that he is a petulant child that the internet seems to think he is, and to try and lead that team through the next 3 years as the rules change.
I do fully expect him to beat Rosberg in 75% of sessions though.
I do like McLaren and Perez though and I've even started liking Alonso. Next year my order of cheering will be:
1) Hamilton
2) Button
3) Perez
4) Alonso
5) Webber
brotkasten
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Of course they will push him for the next few races to win the WDC, so they can later on say that the only titles he won were with McLaren.
But I don't know. If I'd be in that situation, I'm not 100% sure if I'd be able to give the very best, knowing that he'd basically take the title with him. It wouldn't even be intentional.
I've also read few times here that McLaren "didn't fight hard enough" to keep him. Do you think his, lets say, quite emotional season last year had anything to do with it?
I doubt it, because out of his six years at the team, he's only had one year where he's not been the one bringing home the most points for the team - and even last year, he equalled Button's wins (I know I know, points > wins. But for arguments sake).
McLaren lost Hamilton, not because they didn't offer a lucrative offer soon enough, but because the team hasn't been going in the right direction ever since the new regulations came in. It's like they just stagnated after 2009.
Nicktendo86
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mclaren777
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I just rented a 100-400mm lens for the US Grand Prix. 
Button and Hamilton have each won around 3 races a year at McLaren since they've been team mates, and Hamilton picked up two wins in 2009.
McLaren's car performance has gotten better each year for sure, but nevertheless they're still bringing home the same amount of wins, and the same amount of titles.
Psychotext
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I just rented a 100-400mm lens for the US Grand Prix.
Good god.
fu3lfr3nzy
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wat
brotkasten
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fu3lfr3nzy
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Ah. I was looking through his posts in this thread and didnt see anything ban-worthy :lol
Big Takeover
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I just rented a 100-400mm lens for the US Grand Prix.
I saw this going around various websites a few days ago.
not be permitted:
"Video cameras, still cameras with lenses exceeding 10 inches in length or detachable lenses of any kind, audio recording devices and tripods; no video recording will be allowed"
That's silly, and I'd expect it to not be enforced, but just so you know...
Just make a legit looking press pass and hang it around your neck.
mclaren777
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I was momentarily worried, but then I read the update...
Thankfully, the 100-400mm is only 7.4 inches long
when it's retracted
Also, tripods are prohibited but I wonder if monopods will be allowed.
Psychotext
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It's a grower and a show-er.
I just rented a 100-400mm lens for the US Grand Prix.
I´ve got this lens. Very very nice pic quality - but the AF can be maddeningly slow.
Now for the news:
Sauber officially confirms interest in MSC. Monisha Kaltenborn: "Of course you start thinking, when a seven time world champion hits the market." Sabine Kehm: "Everything is possible."
(Disclaimer: Both my quick´n´dirty translations)
Article goes on to state that HUL chances still better to land the Sauber gig, as MSC would have to be willing to take an enormous paycut.