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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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brotkasten
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Shame it's not Petrov
What is it with you and Petrov? He's a talentless hack!
brotkasten
Member
At least Webber is not ugly.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Depends from which angle you're seeing him.
Kova returned to Caterham as a reserve. Might take part of the Friday practice in order to benchmark the new Caterham against last year's
They should've have gotten rid of him
BTW I took a round using my friend's bicycle in the nearby villages in Bahrain and things look much easier and calmer than last year. I'll pist some pics later
Radio Pitlane:
WEB has a three (not five) year contract negotiated with Porsche for next year. Its done, but not signed, which is planned in Summer.
Tyres:
If these play too much of a role, how comes the top drivers still end up on top all the time? All races this year have been won by F1 Champs, and in China all five still driving even ended up on #1 to #5.
More stats:
- 31st win for ALO, this is now as many as Mansell, only three drivers ever have more (Schumacher, Prost, Senna)
- ALO is the only F1 pilot to finish all 560 laps of China GP´s
- ALO won in his 200th F1 race in China - he was also able to win his 100th (Italy 2007)
- five different drivers have now won the last five GP´s (going back to last season) - all Champs btw: HAM, BUT, RAI, VET, ALO
- Ricciardo finished a career best #7, he finished #9 four times before
- thanks to DIR #8, FI has now the first points ever in a China GP
- HAM is the first British driver since Stirling Moss 1955 (GP England in Aintree) to get pole on a pure Merc
- first first row start for RAI since his comeback (Monaco 2009)
- RAI now got points in 20 consecutive races (China 2012), he could get MSC record of 24 races in Canada
- MAS last four race finishes: #3, #4, #5, #6
- BUT last five China finishes: #3, #1, #4, #2, #5
- China saw six different race leaders
- Hulk is already the 10th pilot this year to get race lead laps
- race lead lap leaders thus far: ALO 37, VET 33, WEB 32, RAI 27, SUT 11, HAM 8, HUL 8, BUT 8, MAS 4, ROS 2
- counting Coulthard doing the interview, there have been four former MCL pilots on the podium
- it was PER 10th #11 finish - in 40 races (25%). BTW he never finished #12.
- in China all five rookies were under the first six pilots to end their day after Q1
- no rookie has been able to get a point this season yet
- this years China GP was only 0.016sec longer than last years race
- thanks to WEB DNF, LOT now the only team to get points with both drivers in every race this season
WEB has a three (not five) year contract negotiated with Porsche for next year. Its done, but not signed, which is planned in Summer.
Tyres:
If these play too much of a role, how comes the top drivers still end up on top all the time? All races this year have been won by F1 Champs, and in China all five still driving even ended up on #1 to #5.
More stats:
- 31st win for ALO, this is now as many as Mansell, only three drivers ever have more (Schumacher, Prost, Senna)
- ALO is the only F1 pilot to finish all 560 laps of China GP´s
- ALO won in his 200th F1 race in China - he was also able to win his 100th (Italy 2007)
- five different drivers have now won the last five GP´s (going back to last season) - all Champs btw: HAM, BUT, RAI, VET, ALO
- Ricciardo finished a career best #7, he finished #9 four times before
- thanks to DIR #8, FI has now the first points ever in a China GP
- HAM is the first British driver since Stirling Moss 1955 (GP England in Aintree) to get pole on a pure Merc
- first first row start for RAI since his comeback (Monaco 2009)
- RAI now got points in 20 consecutive races (China 2012), he could get MSC record of 24 races in Canada
- MAS last four race finishes: #3, #4, #5, #6
- BUT last five China finishes: #3, #1, #4, #2, #5
- China saw six different race leaders
- Hulk is already the 10th pilot this year to get race lead laps
- race lead lap leaders thus far: ALO 37, VET 33, WEB 32, RAI 27, SUT 11, HAM 8, HUL 8, BUT 8, MAS 4, ROS 2
- counting Coulthard doing the interview, there have been four former MCL pilots on the podium
- it was PER 10th #11 finish - in 40 races (25%). BTW he never finished #12.
- in China all five rookies were under the first six pilots to end their day after Q1
- no rookie has been able to get a point this season yet
- this years China GP was only 0.016sec longer than last years race
- thanks to WEB DNF, LOT now the only team to get points with both drivers in every race this season
Myoclonic Jerk
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hehe nice one
Kimi was given wrong clutch data for the start in China?!! What does that mean?
That explains the apology on team radio after the race then! "Sorry about the start"
Wax Free Vanilla
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McLaren updates for Barcelona:
-Front & Rear wing
-Sidepods
-Deflectors
-Exhaust
-Floor
-Engine cover
Nose will stay high and they'll keep the pullrod suspension.
The Chinese GP update was not tested in the wind tunnel due to the major update hogging it. Pirelli wind tunnel tyres also caused Mclaren grief. Fuck Pirelli!
axis of evil
I feel sorry for him
F1 Champions test. I managed to get 54/62 after five minutes before giving up. Was kicking myself after revealing the answers since I should have known all of them except for one which I never would have gotten.
KillerMan91
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Well Kimi is the most popular F1 driver in Asia so it's not a surprise.
brotkasten
Member
Oh please, I'm pretty sure he loves the hype and attention and so does his PR team and Lotus. Everything that comes out of his mouth is free money for them ("omg, how funny, guyz! And pre-orders for the [shit Kimi said 5 seconds ago] t-shirt start now!")
Goldrusher
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KillerMan91
Member
Well of course Lotus loves the attention but not sure why you think kimi does. Biggest reason he switched to rally for two years was that he grew tired to the media circus of F1.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
Awesome once again.
Gah, 52 of 62. Some I had the face just couldn't bring up the names. I missed
Brabham, Scheckter, Jones, Fittipaldi, Ridnt, Surtees and Hulme
57/62.
Missed
Ascari (shocked I missed him), Farina, Hulme, Scheckter, Surtees (shocked I missed him also)
brotkasten
Member
And yet he's doing the silly videos for his team. But you're right, I also should've mentioned the money he gets from it.
KillerMan91
Member
Because he has to? Even though you don't like media attention you have your responsibilities to the team especially when you are so popular as Kimi.
brotkasten
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Business
Member
51, Missed
Farina, Ascari, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Brabham, Hulmer, Scheckter and Jones.
The period I lived and remember (until mid eighties) I could basically fill it in order real quick. The rest were 9:30 minutes of remembering great names of the sport but to be fair I couldn't have guessed the exact year of any of them.
I remember watching that and being like, damn he really doesn't want to be doing this...and then I asked myself why I even watched it.
Big Takeover
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Me and a buddy of mine tried naming them all over a few beers at a bar not too long ago. I think the only one we outright forgot was
Mike Hawthorne
RukusProvider
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On The Edge of Insanity
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59/62
I've been an F1 fan since I was a kid. Of the three I missed there was one that I had outright forgotten, one I didn't think had been world champion and another I really should have remembered. Oh well, gave the old memory a bit of a test anyway!
BrokenSymmetry
Member
That's pretty awesome.
IISANDERII
Member
Amazing that Schumacher set his record in the previous format when only the top 6 would get points.
edit: ok final 2 races into new format
IISANDERII
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Haven't been a hardcore F1 follower for years but I still got 50/62.
Gosh darn Brabham, the name is even shown right there! Forgot Piquet, another mind fart
bobnowhere
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I got to 55/62 in about 3 minutes and then my mind went completely blank. Even though I knew them, what they looked like, could see the cars in my head etc... I couldn't name
Hunt, Rindt and Fangio!
I got stuck thinking Juan Carlos something even though it's Manuel!
I got stuck thinking Juan Carlos something even though it's Manuel!
I think I'll have to read an Autocourse tonight as penance.
RukusProvider
Banned
You should ask for a temp ban for this.....
Myoclonic Jerk
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Ok Kimi is a media whore who likes the media so much and the attention. You win. Kimi ain't cool anymore
brotkasten
Member
Took you long enough!
Got 56 in three minutes, and every world champion from 1968 to today EXCEPT the 1980 one, he was driving me nuts but I have no regrets as I wouldn't have been able to remember him,
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The other ones I forgot were
A few years ago I would've got the 62, too bad
sorry Alan Jones
The other ones I forgot were
Hulme, Clark, Surtees and Hawthorn
A few years ago I would've got the 62, too bad
http://www.redbull.com/en/motorspor...729174/video-200-and-counting-for-mark-webber
Red bull tribute video for webber's 200th gp.
Red bull tribute video for webber's 200th gp.
Sleeplessnights
Banned
Lotus pr are playing up the "drunk, ice cream loving, emotionless, doesn't know how to put spaces between words kimi"
Couple small updates:
- MCL and SAU think they know now what went wrong with this years cars. They blame Pirelli, that this years 60% tyres for the wind tunnel are not as representative of the real ones like last year. Especially MCL has a heavy loss of downforce when they turn the front wheels steering.
Problem is to be solved by heavy investing into active undercarriage systems for the wind tunnel (like RBR, MER and FER did), to realistically shape change the 60% tyres.
- MCL thinks they got the car from 1.5sec to .7sec deficit, and plan a major upgrade package for Barcelona
- MER thinks LOT uses some kind of active undercarriage, which enables them to be so tyre conserving. While LOT is not the only team using these, they are the ones who make it work best. Downside: the system is so complex, that you have only a small window setup wise. RAI driving style seems to make it easier to hit this window than GRO.
Bahrain Preview:
- heavy downforce, especially on the rear tyres necessary
- high mechanical grip needed, as there is always sand on the track making it slippery
- per lap four times acceleration over 300 km/h, but many slow corners bringing the average down to around 200km/h, one of the slowest
- 59% full throttle combined with heavy breaking and high ambient temperatures make it hard on the cars - and tyres, expect another average three pit stops
- two DRS zones again (before turn #1 and #11)
- very smooth track, allowing low car setup
- MCL and SAU think they know now what went wrong with this years cars. They blame Pirelli, that this years 60% tyres for the wind tunnel are not as representative of the real ones like last year. Especially MCL has a heavy loss of downforce when they turn the front wheels steering.
Problem is to be solved by heavy investing into active undercarriage systems for the wind tunnel (like RBR, MER and FER did), to realistically shape change the 60% tyres.
- MCL thinks they got the car from 1.5sec to .7sec deficit, and plan a major upgrade package for Barcelona
- MER thinks LOT uses some kind of active undercarriage, which enables them to be so tyre conserving. While LOT is not the only team using these, they are the ones who make it work best. Downside: the system is so complex, that you have only a small window setup wise. RAI driving style seems to make it easier to hit this window than GRO.
Bahrain Preview:
- heavy downforce, especially on the rear tyres necessary
- high mechanical grip needed, as there is always sand on the track making it slippery
- per lap four times acceleration over 300 km/h, but many slow corners bringing the average down to around 200km/h, one of the slowest
- 59% full throttle combined with heavy breaking and high ambient temperatures make it hard on the cars - and tyres, expect another average three pit stops
- two DRS zones again (before turn #1 and #11)
- very smooth track, allowing low car setup
Normally you're able to read his face and body language really well (he's quite shit in that regard) but it didn't look like he was thinking about not racing in F1 next year when they were talking to him (and it was with the new haircut, so it was obviously after "the incident" (though possibly not after last weekend)).
KillerMan91
Member
Yeah smiling little bit during one short lighthearted video makes him totally love all the media attention =P. I think lotus has said several times that they try to keep his media responsibilities to minimum because he doesn't like media attention. Of course they still try to exploit his popularity once in a while and probably contract says that Kimi has to do some amount of that too.
If you got a tenner laying around that's not needed to save you from starving - bet it on the three year Porsche gig.
Can anyone explain that in very simple terms? How can tires cause an aerodynamic simulation (which to my understanding is what you do in a wind tunnel) to fail?
In fact, I think I have no idea what a wind tunnel actually does. How/why can results from a wind tunnel be off from reality as was the case with Ferrari the past few years?
The tire composition or surface could be different from the actual composition. I'm assuming the 60% is the scaled tire (60% the size of a real tire). Generally scaled models are used in a wind tunnel rather than a full scale car. This is definitely true for aircraft. McL & SAU are saying that how the fluid, air in this case, reacts when passing over a surface on the model in the wind tunnel does not replicate how the air reacts when traveling over the tire on the real car.
Big Takeover
Member
or obviously any variation in the shape of the tire.
Front tires are hugely important to the aero as you might be able to tell from just looking at an F1 car. What piece looks like it causes the most drag and creates the most turbulence? Front tires.
Front tires are hugely important to the aero as you might be able to tell from just looking at an F1 car. What piece looks like it causes the most drag and creates the most turbulence? Front tires.
Thanks for this, Hammer. Are these from a website or do you pull these together yourself? I only ask because I'd be interested to read them about the other tracks as I'm still learning a lot about the sport.