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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Because you can't isolate one factor only. You know how the narrow wing fared without KERS but you don't know how KERS fares without the narrow wing. KERS+Narrow wing+Cost reduction+now with DRS... all these together are bringing the number of overtaking per race up.
brotkasten
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Psychotext
Member
He's a legend in his own mind.
RukusProvider
Banned
One championship he won in the last corner of the last race due to someone having traction issue.....
The legacy continues.
Also, I'd love to be a fly on the wall and listen to Nicole and Lewis conversations. I bet they are amazing.
Hey now, he almost was a double world champion, if he hadn't gone off in the pit lane in China...
Adam Scott Aukerman
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A championship is a championship. You wouldn't have to try hard to reduce just about every championship (F1 or otherwise) to such terms.
One championship he won over a season by scoring more points than anyone else. Same as every other World Champion ever.
The fact he got more points than anyone else over a full season doesn't count then?
brotkasten
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I think I get where Rukus is coming from, but I don't necessarily agree with him. There are drivers who won one world championship and are kinda forgettable and don't really stand out in one way or another and then you have drivers who won only one WDC and are considered legends, because of their driving style, but mostly because of their character. Just look at Damon Hill, James Hunt, Jenson Button, Kimi Raikonnen, Jagues Villeneuve. One is not like the other. They all were able to win only one championship (so far)but some are considered to be bigger than the other. Maybe he thinks Lewis is not a champion who stands out.
RukusProvider
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He came into McLaren that was a Class A car and has been with them until this year.
Is he fast? yes.
I just don't think he's very smart and knows how to play the game off the track as well as others he's competing against.
For that, he's not a complete driver. Certainly not an All Time Great as he perceives himself to be.
If he can play a leadership role at Mercedes and get the program turned around on his back, I'd certainly change my opinion.
Psychotext
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I think I'd have a lot more time for that sort of talk if he didn't keep on mentioning himself in the same breath as Senna (as with the "museum" interview recently). He's got a long, long, long way to go.
You're seven years late to that bandwagon.
It's amazing how some people will hold their opinions so adamantly, more power to you.
Yeah, pretty much. He has it in him to be one of the greats, but he ain't there yet. Close, but not there yet. What he really doesn't seem to see is that he can't decide that he is one of the greats, history will do that.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
nope no one will ever say this, these past 2 years, and 08 are going right up there with the 70s in shit car design
Evolution_1ne
Banned
What the fuck am I reading here?
oh sure you can pick out a few beauties amongst the bunch
ex.
but when the majority looks like this
especially compared to the 60s, 90s, and early 2000s
I'm sorry I can't say it was a good time for F1 design
RomanticHeroX
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Yeah, the majority of cars in the 70s look like shit. Early 80s too, really. In my mind, F1 cars looked gorgeous through the late 60s until wings started being introduced, then bounced back in the mid-80s once they started figuring out the aerodynamics. Cars have taken a dive since 08, a couple look alright but the majority recently look like garbage.
oh sure you can pick out a few beauties amongst the bunch
ex.
but when the majority looks like this
especially compared to the 60s, 90s, and early 2000s
I'm sorry I can't say it was a good time for F1 design
It was a great time for F1 design. The rules were wide open, aero was not well understood, there was massive creativity. There were plenty of ugly cars, sure, but more of the cars were good looking than not, there was good variety, they weren't all cookie cutter copies of each with with very small differences.
Here are all the 1970's F1 cars. How many are actually ugly?
Bigger image with all the cars:
http://areadeescape.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/everyf1car19502004.jpg
Does anyone know an image host that won't resize a large image?
IMO you actually chose a really bad example to argue your point of bad looking cars. I think the 2012 Caterham was one of the best looking cars on the grid. Other than it's stepped nose, it's up there with any halfway-decent looking car of the last 30 years. Sure, not the best... but far from the worst.but when the majority looks like this
bobnowhere
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BT-44b
BT-33
Lotus 72
Williams Fw07
I could go all day!
BT-33
Lotus 72
Williams Fw07
I could go all day!
When I look at those all I can think is the car that Homer Simpson designed.
Even the FW07?
What the fuck? ROFL!
Nope, that was actually only that looked good.
Looks pretty wicked, wouldn't mind trying it out.
bobnowhere
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ClassyPenguin
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Renault should stick to engines, where they belong. smh.
Psychotext
Member
Holy fucking shit at that Ferrari.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Unsurpassed beauty of all the ages of F1.
Ferrari 312
Eagle Mk1
Tyrell 003 and the Ferrari 312B
Matra MS9
Ferrari 312
Eagle Mk1
Tyrell 003 and the Ferrari 312B
Matra MS9
Psychotext
Member
Looks like something a kid drew with crayons to go SUPER DOOPER FAST!
Dutch Gronk
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Edmond Dantès;55589760 said:Unsurpassed beauty of all the ages of F1.
Eagle Mk1
Such a beautiful car.
Personally I always loved the Ferrari 156
Looking around for good footage of 60's cars, I found this:
Formula 1 - Early Wings 1968 -1978 Natural Sounds
10 minutes of eargasm.
Formula 1 - Early Wings 1968 -1978 Natural Sounds
10 minutes of eargasm.
Ban on refueling.
Sticking with the lower nose this year wouldn't help them any for 2014. The nose is going to be even lower than what Mclaren started out with in 2012 anyways.
Also, to clarify, they will have narrower front wings still next year. Not much(1650mm instead of the current 1800mm), but it'll be noticeable as they wont be sticking out to the very ends of the car's width. More importantly, though, it will mean a total re-think on the use of the front wing to get the air to the back as there will be tires blocking the endplates.
So all in all, every team will have to do clean sheet designs from what they've been doing the past few years. The beam wing will be gone(that has not been scrapped), exhausts will be exiting from the center of the rear and of course the new V6's turbos and new gearboxes all mean entire new rear-ends, so while the more radical 2014 aero rules were tossed(not because of costs, but because it would have made the cars too slow), its still pretty much a complete overhaul of the regulations.
brotkasten
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Have you seen the first two trailers? I thought the sound was really good.
Ban on refueling.
I knew I forgot something!
Great point.Big Takeover
Member
I knew I forgot something!
2010 had 20% more cars too.
Today's wide front wings are hideous. I'm looking forward to smaller ones even if they don't get all the way back to 2008 spec (1400mm).
bobnowhere
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The Eagle was Gorgeous. A few more:
Ferrari 126c2
Brabham BT-55
Leyton House CG911
Lotus 49:
Ferrari 643
Ferrari 126c2
Brabham BT-55
Leyton House CG911
Lotus 49:
Ferrari 643
