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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Big Takeover
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Elio de Angelis. Jean Alesi copied the paint design as a tribute, but skipped the Vader bit 
Wax Free Vanilla
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According to Auto Motor Sport Brawn didn't tell the bosses at Mercedes about the test, and they only found out about it while the cars were on track, lol
Poor guy, I hope Rosberg destroys him in the second half of the season - a full blown Hammy meltdown would please me greatly.
Poor guy, I hope Rosberg destroys him in the second half of the season - a full blown Hammy meltdown would please me greatly.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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If Merc end up getting away with it, that could well cement his future in the team for the time being. Chances are slim though, otherwise he's a goner.
FIA trial starts now.
Reports from Germany this morning saying that the FIA contacted Mercedes, through Lauda, with a deal.
They plead guilty, some sort of secret punishment and the trial cancelled today.
Supposedly Brawn and Toto Wolff rejected this saying they would rather it go to court and fight their corner.
Reports from Germany this morning saying that the FIA contacted Mercedes, through Lauda, with a deal.
They plead guilty, some sort of secret punishment and the trial cancelled today.
Supposedly Brawn and Toto Wolff rejected this saying they would rather it go to court and fight their corner.
Psychotext
Member
Yup. I love how entitled he seems to be. Flat out deserves more titles.
AMS has a Live Ticker, LOL!
Psychotext
Member
But it's in Notglish!
PdotMichael
Banned
to be fair, that's the mindset of all F1 drivers.
The difference is maybe that Hamilton did some bullshit in the last years, so he can't blame just McLaren.
Google/Bing translate not helping?
Psychotext
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Wasn't working in Firefox. Chrome seems to be doing it ok.
No. The argument is, that it was not a "test drive" as defined in article 4.1, as those only goes for participators in the championship. Pirelli is not a competitor, so it was a "tyre test" as defined in article 4.2. Merc showed an email by Charlie Whiting, who concurred with that point of view.
...and Pirelli can´t be judged by this tribunal, as they are no competitors in the championship.
Now isn´t that a beauty?
Nicktendo86
Member
Sad that this trial is the most interesting thing to happen in F1 for ages.
That Scarbs press release tweet, was he joking or does he know something? This feels like a stitch up to me.
That Scarbs press release tweet, was he joking or does he know something? This feels like a stitch up to me.
PdotMichael
Banned
That's the intrepretation of Mercedes, it's just the question if the FIA believes that Pirelli was leading the Barcelona tests.
FIA didn´t dispute this. Mark Howard argued, that this would be irrelevant, as FIA says Merc had an unfair advantage no matter who´s test it was.
PdotMichael
Banned
If everything is so obvious, they wouldn't make such a drama about it.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108152
Nicktendo86
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The argument that if the Ferrari test was legal, so was the Merc one is intereasting as Ferrari gained data according to Ross and used the test to test parts! This is clearly an FIA stitch up IMHO
All I´m hearing from the FIA lawyer is:
a) Merc had an unfair advantage, because they learned that they have parts on their car that hold up for 1000km (and FER didn´t?!)
b) Charlie Whiting was not able to give the permission in FIA´s name, as he is only allowed to give an opinion (which is utterly ridiculous IMHO)
Psychotext
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The Ferrari argument is silly. All the FIA has to say is "on consideration, you're right, we'll schedule a hearing for them too". Now on with the trial...
Nicktendo86
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The FIA position is looking a little iffy to me. Well, very iffy.
Psychotext
Member
Yup.
Pirelli already offered exactly this on 2nd June to every team in writing. No one has answered them.
More details coming out and Pirelli are looking like the fall guys/bad guys here:
Massa did a "secret" test for Pirelli last year in the Ferrari. First anyone had heard of it was this afternoon.
To be honest I can't see how Mercedes can be punished here. The only reason this has blown up is because someone made it public knowledge.
Ferrari have had 2 Pirelli test in the last year with no punishment and were cleared of all possible charges.
Massa did a "secret" test for Pirelli last year in the Ferrari. First anyone had heard of it was this afternoon.
To be honest I can't see how Mercedes can be punished here. The only reason this has blown up is because someone made it public knowledge.
Ferrari have had 2 Pirelli test in the last year with no punishment and were cleared of all possible charges.
systemfehler
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But wasn't that with the "old" Ferrari whereas this time the current car was used in a test?
PdotMichael
Banned
Unlike the Mercedes test in Barcelona. The Ferrari tests were legal.
Or do you think Red Bull and the other teams would accept cheating Ferrari but not Mercedes?
It was on this year's test in Bahrain but if they used 2011 car on that secret 2012 test....
Psychotext
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I'm just wondering how they're going to handle giving them all a test day now.
The bickering will continue because some will have gotten a test early and some later, so the early ones had more time to use the newly gained info...
In the end its FIA's fault I feel, and instead they will try to deflect.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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I can't believe they would have used the 2011 car last year, what would be the point? They'd either conduct the test legally with the 2010 car or 'cheat' with the 2012 one. No point half-arsing it you've already decided to break the rules.
I expect they're all waiting for the verdict before they respond. If they agreed before the verdict is in, it could be viewed as condoning Mercedes' actions.
Uhmm, no. This test was THIS year, two weeks prior the Spain GP, on the very same track. I wonder why FER looked so strong in that race??
Pirelli offered the test to the very same specifications like Merc had. I honestly don´t expect a single team to take them up on that offer, as a test like that is of no real value and doesn´t really help the teams. They get better data just analyzing their races.
On another note - I wonder how Charlie feels right now - having officially heard that he can only give "opinions".
I´m still not sure that this is right. Mercs lawyer spoke of FER tests in 2011 and 2013, and said that FER used MAS in this years test. I have no idea where this is coming from.
This is direct from the hearing yesterday:
Decision is due to be announced in a hours time according to several sources.
Result: Mercedes is reprimanded and suspended from the Young Driver Test. Pirelli reprimanded
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MoGamesXNA
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2014 Renault Engine Sound : http://www.renaultsport.com/Come-on-feel-the-noise,2630.html
Thoughts? I'm personally going to miss the V8's.
Thoughts? I'm personally going to miss the V8's.
Well nobody will be happy with that!
Everyone will think they should have a real punishment or none.Sounds... okay. I think I would prefer if they went with a bigger engine but a RPM limit or something.
