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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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RBR and Ferrari would go ballistic probably...
Proper tyre test now with actual race drivers. Mercedes agreed not to take part in it.
http://www.fia.com/news/fia-seeks-solution-silverstone-tyre-failures
Rules is going to change when it comes to requiring all teams to accepting tyre change.
http://www.fia.com/news/fia-seeks-solution-silverstone-tyre-failures
Rules is going to change when it comes to requiring all teams to accepting tyre change.
Ok, so it looks like FIA controlled Pirelli tyre test with this year's cars and drivers. Cars will be checked before and during the test, so the teams will not be able to test new parts during this.
RBR and Ferrari guys are already disguising new parts into pit furniture...
RBR and Ferrari guys are already disguising new parts into pit furniture...
Psychotext
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Ugh, what a waste of a top end car that would be.
Probably the best solution.
Although like we all said about the Merc test, surely the teams will benefit in some way from this test. Any test is a test right?
But I suppose everyone is in the same boat this time
Psychotext
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So wait, no new parts allowed at the test at all? Or only when they're testing Pirelli tyres?
If it's the former then it looks like Merc really did luck out. lol
If it's the former then it looks like Merc really did luck out. lol
Young drivers can test new parts.
Psychotext
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Cheers.
Seems like only tyre test for Pirelli (drivers are driving their car, but Pirelli is gathering info), under FIA control. You can still test current stuff on your car, but bolting new floor during the test? Nope, unless young driver is driving. So, RBR car #1 with Webber can only test new tyres, RBR #2 with young driver is testing new parts. But team cannot bolt new parts to #1 car.
Mercedes probably gambled hard on their 'private test' with combination of both...
EDIT: Beaten
Also
I tried every available source, no one even heard about something like this. So right now, thats a fairy tale as far as I am concerned. That pic proves nothing, btw, as there never has been a full metal carcass in the sidewalls.
Oh, OK. And to be replaced by whom, exactly? After how this season played out, every other manufacturer will stay the fuck as far away as anyhow possible.
I don't understand this bashing of Pirelli at this point. Yes they fucked up. They were told to make a tyre which degrades quickly and they delivered one which does so at a faster rate than many teams expected. Teams fuck shit up all the time. Bad wings, engine problems, alternator failures, expanding wheel nuts, insufficient fuel, etc. It happens pretty much to one team or another every single race weekend at some point.
The difference is that the teams can usually fix it within a few races, and are allowed to do so. What exactly are Pirelli supposed to do?
Less degrading compound? Teams complained.
Last year's compounds? Teams complained.
Reinforced sidewalls? No.
Testing with safer compounds? Reprimand.
I'm not saying their terrible tyres are excusable but they've been put in a position where they cannot do anything because one team or another is going to cry foul.
The difference is that the teams can usually fix it within a few races, and are allowed to do so. What exactly are Pirelli supposed to do?
Less degrading compound? Teams complained.
Last year's compounds? Teams complained.
Reinforced sidewalls? No.
Testing with safer compounds? Reprimand.
I'm not saying their terrible tyres are excusable but they've been put in a position where they cannot do anything because one team or another is going to cry foul.
So did Webber. It's called "brakes".Massa had some magic boost button right. This is ridiculous.
Gareth Bale
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According to The Telegraph Pirelli are switching to kevlar belts after drivers threatened to boycott the German Grand Prix
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...vers-threat-to-boycott-German-Grand-Prix.html
Sorry if old
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...vers-threat-to-boycott-German-Grand-Prix.html
Sorry if old
Better to think of it as a KERS battery
Yup. I'm still not convinced Button is a top-tier driver. Without that ridiculous Brawn car in '09 then I doubt he would've had equal footing at McL with Hamilton.
It is that bad, but who knows. Maybe they Brawn it up next year with a kick ass car that is untouchable for the first half of the season.
People get heated, it happens. I've been to the NFL, NBA, and Footy threads and this is really really tame.
Templar Wizard
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hammy splits with NS. watch out Massa, 'classic' hamilton is back.
Ruh roh! I usually couldn't give two hoots about a driver's personal life, but we know this drama is coming to the track.
Why wouldn't Button be good enough? It's not like he didn't get any points with McLaren over the last three years. I'd think he's at least on par with Webber -- and he knows how to start!
Would be much more interesting though if Kimi somehow ended up with RBR.
Templar Wizard
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I really dont see RBR buying Batton out of his Mclaren contract with they have a big pool of drivers and a top class driver being a free agent at the end of the year.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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He outscored Hamilton in total in their time together at McLaren, didn't he?
Adam Scott Aukerman
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/hamilton-and-buttons-head-to-head-record-at-mclaren/
672 - 657 in Button's favour.
Hamilton got 10 wins, but Button got 8, and more podiums and top 10 finishes than Hamilton.
If only Button could qualify well.
Hamilton with 5 more DNFs though, and how many of those were when he was in podium position?
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Either way, it's hard to argue that Button didn't match Hamilton at McLaren, which is a far cry from "is he even a worthy no.2?"
Yeah, Hamilton had incredible bad luck. 2 races alone last season he was in what I guess could be certain wins and the car broke. Singapore and Abu Dhabi.
Plus all those pit stop issues in the other races
and that was just last season
Sure, I was just pointing out that statistics don't tell the entire story. Button seemed to thrive off of Hamilton's bad luck.
Hamilton dominated Button on pace. The hare and tortoise analogy seems pretty accurate for their time as team mates. The only time I felt Button outshined Hamilton was in the later part of the 2011 season with some really exceptionel driving.
We need Raikkonen in that Red Bull seat.
We need Raikkonen in that Red Bull seat.
I´m really surprised the FIA acted so quickly on the tyre test. Looks like Jean Todt found his balls.
In one swoop he wants the FIA world council in an emergency meeting to change Paragraph 22.4 (testing in season) and 12.6.3 of the technical rules (unanimity on tyre changes).
Interestingly, the FIA invitation to the teams for the test does not explicitly state that the seasoned drivers could only test new tyres. I´m curious to see, if some team tries to put new parts on...
In one swoop he wants the FIA world council in an emergency meeting to change Paragraph 22.4 (testing in season) and 12.6.3 of the technical rules (unanimity on tyre changes).
Interestingly, the FIA invitation to the teams for the test does not explicitly state that the seasoned drivers could only test new tyres. I´m curious to see, if some team tries to put new parts on...
Templar Wizard
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the only time when Batton beat hammy was when hammy imploded.
its not even a contest.
its not even a contest.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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I´m really surprised the FIA acted so quickly on the tyre test. Looks like Jean Todt found his balls.
Well, that's one way on looking at it. Another would be to say that it's taken a year and a half of PR disasters, in-fighting and politics to get to this point.
Regardless of the points totals over the three years, I do not believe Button can be placed in the same tier of drivers as Hamilton, Alonso, Raikonnen and Vettel.
Considering how many points Hamilton lost because Mclaren couldn't do pitstops at the start of last year, even ignoring his entire season of being an emotional wreck, he would have scored more than Button. He didn't, and that's what the records will show until the end of time. Fortunately people don't only look at the stats.
Considering how many points Hamilton lost because Mclaren couldn't do pitstops at the start of last year, even ignoring his entire season of being an emotional wreck, he would have scored more than Button. He didn't, and that's what the records will show until the end of time. Fortunately people don't only look at the stats.
Psychotext
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Story on the BBC saying that they'll have the kevlar belted tyres at the German GP this weekend. No idea how they could have done it that fast though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23141389
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23141389
Maybe they had an unused stockpile from last year or something!
They obviously blew up tyres at Silverstone on purpose so people wouldn't question kevlar tyres at Germany.
Don't forget 2013!
That would also mean last years compounds as well though.
Its looks like the tyres at the German GP will be the kevlar ones used at practice in Canada and Silverstone.
A new spec tyre will be introduced after the tyre test in Silverstone according to Autosport.
The test will also be attended by FIA inspectors to ensure the teams are using development parts on cars driven by regular race drivers.
Autosport
Some interesting news from Ferrari too on their concerns (complaints) about the new fuel regulation for 2014 engines; 100kg, for the race.
They fear that cars will be forced to drive slowly at points to save fuel which they don't want or agree with. Maybe their engine is slightly more thirsty than they had hoped.
Some great comments on the article though on design directions for next year, could be really interesting year.
They fear that cars will be forced to drive slowly at points to save fuel which they don't want or agree with. Maybe their engine is slightly more thirsty than they had hoped.
Some great comments on the article though on design directions for next year, could be really interesting year.
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