Psychotext
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That's a very big "might"... and Alonso isn't Webber. As much as I like the guy, Webber isn't even close to being in Alonso's league.
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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zomgbbqftw
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It's Alonso's warning shot to Ferrari for them to get their shit sorted by next season. They are running out of excuses. It seems as if they've had a broken wind tunnel and simulator for 3 seasons now. Understandably Alonso is getting tired of the excuses.
Did I miss the 'Vettel can't overtake' argument again?
Because anyone that thinks Vettel can't overtake is sorely mistaken, and quite frankly blind.
I know I'm a few pages late, but I've been saying Mercedes would be a competitive team for a long time now. They've been improving their car performance year on year and not to mention the amount of personnel they've been hiring since Brawn had to downsize so drastically in 2009. 2012's Silly Season was just the most public moves that they've made.
Because anyone that thinks Vettel can't overtake is sorely mistaken, and quite frankly blind.
I know I'm a few pages late, but I've been saying Mercedes would be a competitive team for a long time now. They've been improving their car performance year on year and not to mention the amount of personnel they've been hiring since Brawn had to downsize so drastically in 2009. 2012's Silly Season was just the most public moves that they've made.
Dutch Gronk
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Not forgetting Massa drove to the edge of the track with Crashjean next to him as well.
That clapping was very weird. I did not like it.
Can we say ha can't overtake quite often when it is really important?
Yay! Lewis pops his Merc cherry...finally. It's so weird how he's 40 points clear of Nico, but he's trailing in wins 2-1. Just some bad luck this season.
It looks like he's gotten adjusted to the car now. He's put together a string of good performances compared to Nico and drove a great race today. He stayed out of range of Seb in his first stint, conserved tires intelligently in his second stint despite having to pass Button, who held up Seb. He also put a hard wheel to Webber when he knew he had to, in order to preserve his win. Great drive, and I'm happy for my dude. Hopefully today's tire wear is a good sign for Merc the rest of the season, and going forward. A fast car that doesn't destroy its tires? Lewis has to be pretty well chuffed right now. PEACE.
EDIT: Am I the only American who misses Peter Windsor in the pits and grid? Will Buxton is a nice guy and all, but he doesn't have the respect of the big wigs in pit lane. Bernie gave him some terrible replies, whereas Windsor could always get good interviews. He was probably one of the most respected media guys, seeing as he also did the post race pressers.
It looks like he's gotten adjusted to the car now. He's put together a string of good performances compared to Nico and drove a great race today. He stayed out of range of Seb in his first stint, conserved tires intelligently in his second stint despite having to pass Button, who held up Seb. He also put a hard wheel to Webber when he knew he had to, in order to preserve his win. Great drive, and I'm happy for my dude. Hopefully today's tire wear is a good sign for Merc the rest of the season, and going forward. A fast car that doesn't destroy its tires? Lewis has to be pretty well chuffed right now. PEACE.
EDIT: Am I the only American who misses Peter Windsor in the pits and grid? Will Buxton is a nice guy and all, but he doesn't have the respect of the big wigs in pit lane. Bernie gave him some terrible replies, whereas Windsor could always get good interviews. He was probably one of the most respected media guys, seeing as he also did the post race pressers.
I'm not Vettel fan, but I respect his talent. He couldn't get around Button today due to the Merc engine. He was doing all he could IMO. I used to think he was a poor overtaker, but he's pulled off some slick moves the last two seasons. I can't hate. PEACE.
Depends on RBR would go with instead. I doubt they'd get rid of, say, Kimi for Alonso or even Ricciardo, if he had a good season. 2014 might be Alonso's only chance.
And, yes, next year might shake things up but it in the end it will be Red Bull again who has the most money for dev etc. -- unless they fuck up completely in the beginning, they will win next season, too.
It could be a walk into a lion's den for Alonso, but given his status, I'm sure the garage would not be split into gold and shit like it is now.
It's probably just Horner and Alonso using each other to put pressure on their own teams. Horner probably wants to put Raikkonen in his other seat, and Alonso wants Ferrari to step it up.
Did Vettel get some veto power put in his latest contract? It seems absolutely crazy that Vettel would have anything to say about who gets to drive for Red Bull.
It's probably just Horner and Alonso using each other to put pressure on their own teams. Horner probably wants to put Raikkonen in his other seat, and Alonso wants Ferrari to step it up.
Did Vettel get some veto power put in his latest contract? It seems absolutely crazy that Vettel would have anything to say about who gets to drive for Red Bull.
We can, but do you really think it will get a rise out of Omiee as much as "lol can't overtake" does?
Yesterday the Red Bull had a obvious problem with the temperatures. Driving behind another car made the motor too hot and Vettel had to back off at least twice to cool off (once Button and Raikonnen at the end). My guess would be that the car is heavily "optmized" to run in the lead.
PdotMichael
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Sometimes you can't overtake if the other driver doesn't make a mistake. Just ask the Lotus drivers about the race in Germany.
And the definition of "really important" would be interesting.
Alonso in RBR would be interesting to see, he is no doubt one of the fastest guys on the grid and I'd think he would be the best driver to beat Vettel on his own ground (In fact, I think he might dominate him if doesn't have all those tire and kers problems...). Would be interesting to have the two biggest crybabies on the same team and I can definitely see their ego's conflicting.
brotkasten
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brotkasten
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If that's what it takes for Ferrari to win championships again, then so be it. They could hire a monkey as a driver, for all I care, as long as he wins races. Not that it worked with Massa.
Asked if he would like Alonso as a team mate next year Vettel said:
Nothing against Fernando, I really respect him a lot as a driver but I think I respect Kimi on-track, off-track, because hes always been very straight with me and from that point of view it might be a bit easier.
Vettel would shit himself if Alonso Joined
Nothing against Fernando, I really respect him a lot as a driver but I think I respect Kimi on-track, off-track, because hes always been very straight with me and from that point of view it might be a bit easier.
Vettel would shit himself if Alonso Joined
Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen; they've all been in similar situations where they couldn't make an important overtake and they've all (including Vettel) performed some amazing important overtakes.
The way you wrote that, it makes it sound like you were saying "Mercedes will be competitive next year, honest!" for the last umpteen years
That's basically what I've been saying
To be fair though, they have been improving year on year.
brotkasten
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brotkasten
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Today's Alonso's birthday and Ferrari posted some stats.
They forgot to add "and not a single championship".
They forgot to add "and not a single championship".
Yeah it is a shame things didn't fall together with the car earlier for him or if he had stayed on for another year, would have been great to see him in a competitive car that could actually challenge up front for more than just a few races.
I just realised that Kimi and Vettel are polar opposites when it comes to post-race interviews. Be funny if they were in the same team.
As much as I love Ricciardo, I don't think he's ready for RBR yet. If Kimi or Nando are a chance for RBR then at least give us one season where either of them and Vettel are in the same car.
He'll get it eventually, I just don't think 2014 will be his year for it. Obviously kinda hope he doesn't get it as well for the reason I mentioned earlier, but he really hasn't been convincing enough this year IMO (though he seems to be better, or at least more visible than Vergne thus far).
Yeah Buemi said on Saturday that he's quite sure that Ricciardo will get the seat. To me it seems that Raikönnen and Alonso seem to do this mostly for leverage in the negotiation with their own teams.
Psychotext
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Niiiiiice.
Question:
If Michelin comes back and Pirelli stays, then what exactly is the point? Pirelli have been artificially limiting the tyres, and therefore Michelin would have to do exactly the same thing. If one is better than the other it would defeat the purpose of the artificial limit. If they're exactly the same then what's the point of having two tyres?
If Michelin comes back and Pirelli stays, then what exactly is the point? Pirelli have been artificially limiting the tyres, and therefore Michelin would have to do exactly the same thing. If one is better than the other it would defeat the purpose of the artificial limit. If they're exactly the same then what's the point of having two tyres?
Teams are randomly assigned tires each weekend, thus making racing more exciting. Luck of the draw!
Or mix and match, front tires will be pirelli and back will be Michelin!
More money to Bernie.
So exactly like it's been since January 2011?
zomgbbqftw
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Goodbye Indian GP.
Heading into an election year this is an easy target. Instead of getting all of the middle classes and Indian tax evaders to pay their taxes they will go after easy foreign targets that make the news. The Congress Party is morally and intellectually bankrupt.
Merc is pushing hard for this change - which usually is a good indicator that the other teams will deny it.
Nicktendo86
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Good, get a classic race track back instead.
New Tilke track confirmed.
They should remove stinking Valencia from the calendar once and for all and replaced it with another Euro race
That assumption really cannot be made. The rule overhaul is massive and we know that Newey isn't happy about it. No doubt in part to the fact that the very thing that has helped them in the last 3 years is being taken away properly and that they need to rely even more on battery packs for the ERS which they have had more problems with than just about any team during the KERS years.
On top of that the new engines could be all over the place, The Merc might be lower on power but use less fuel, the Renault might pop early and cause them to take grid penalties etc etc.
With the aero rule changes AND the new engines AND the much larger ERS systems, there are far too many variables to say what will happen. Any driver who has the KERS issues that Webber has had in the last few years is out of contention for the title, even if everything else is 100% perfect.
If you had two teams again then they wouldn't be gimping their own tyres, it would be a tyre war for the best product that can go fastest for longest.
zomgbbqftw
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London street race please.
That would be sweet because it would be where I live, but another street circuit!?? They are hosting the Formula E stuff near the Olympic stadium, if that track ends up being decent they could use that.
That's what being reported around the Spanish press also. Not the sensationalist press but the same press that was reporting the complete disaster that was the Jerez test last year.
The same guys are saying Abad is using the meeting he had with Horner (re: Carlos Sainz Jr. getting a Toro Rosso seat next year) to create pressure on Ferrari.
Both stories are plausable. I highly doubt that Ferrari can overturn car is this summer break (factories will be closed for 2 weeks) or during autumn, when teams will move majority of resources to 2014 cars
Lap by lap time comparison for yesterday between Lewis and Seb (select Bianchi vs Chilton for some serious lulz)