Nicktendo86
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As for euro go, why not move it every year to a new track? Could even include long forgotten classic tracks, London Street race, etc to switch things up a bit. Or does that make too much sense/not make Bernie enough money?
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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As for euro go, why not move it every year to a new track? Could even include long forgotten classic tracks, London Street race, etc to switch things up a bit. Or does that make too much sense/not make Bernie enough money?
Good win for Lewis, glad RAI held off Vettel too although an alternator failure would have been sweet on the RBR.
For GP's next year, what has been 'confirmed' already? New Jersey, Austria, Russia(?), was Thailand 2014 or 15?, any others? Obviously they're not official until the calendar is released so some current ones have to drop off if the teams get their way with a max 20 GP season.
For GP's next year, what has been 'confirmed' already? New Jersey, Austria, Russia(?), was Thailand 2014 or 15?, any others? Obviously they're not official until the calendar is released so some current ones have to drop off if the teams get their way with a max 20 GP season.
Euro GP should move every year.
I suppose most of the issue is that Bernie likes to sign long deals for megabucks, and that the cost of maintaining a track for F1 that isn't being used every year is more prohibitive now than it was. And you wouldn't get one track hosting two GPs a year.
I always wondered that too. Is it a weather concern perhaps? But surely if you put it in the summer it won't be a problem.
Are the any scandinavian racing circuits that could support F1 with small/moderate updates, or is a whole new venue needed?
Goldrusher
Member
Provisional:
Korea is likely gone. New Jersey and Sochi are new.
Valencia might host the Spanish GP, but it's likely to be Catalunya again.
India could be cancelled.
You seem to have forgot Abu Dhabi which was planned to be the season opener until I missed some news or something..
[edit] not the season opener but I think it's still in there...
brotkasten
Member
When Bernie goes down, I hope he takes LdM with him.
Its not he's like alonso in abu dhabi 2010.
I think that Fernando is seriously fed up with all the trouble that are currently inside Ferrari and because of this he met with RBR managers. This could escalate and can be quite nasty for both parties.
I do not think that Allison will make huge difference, they must sort out their windtunnel and simulator equipment. Without this sorted out, Ferrari is sitting duck compared to RBR, Mercedes and Lotus. Oh, and if they fired everybody capable, they mysteriously always kept Domenicalli - he is on the same page as Whitmarsh in guidebook 'How to not lead the F1 team'.
I seriously cant understand how they are still having an old wind tunnel. Ferrari is making a lot of profit from their sports cars bussines. Why are they not investing that shit into building a new windtunnel.
Do we have any records on what the budgets are that these teams are working with?
RBR is going to have a make or break next season. Cars will rely more on the engine than aero packages. Mercedes is probably going to run with it. Lewis made the best descion of his life. Vettel should never have signed for 2015 as well.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
Alonso his management meeting with RBR is such a classic Fernando mind game. Let's hope Ferrari responds accordingly and actually gives him the car he deserves (My bet is that they won't because they're a bunch of incompetent donkeys). Can't really blame him if he does leave if they don't get their shit together.
They did invest lots of money into new one in Maranello, but it is(as rumors are flying) faulty as hell. Also they can use one in Toyota facility, but they are limited to older tunnel, because Mclaren in using newer one there. Ferrari has major difficulties to produce working parts due to difference in real life paramaters compared to tunnel data, they are scrapping stuff almost on every race, reverting back to old stuff. Plus it seems that "new" tyre will bring more headaches to Maranello with harder compounds for next races. Engineer said that they are hoping to fix windtunnel till the end of August...
Ferrari is promising huge upgrade for Spa, but we will see. Other teams will bring probably more working stuff for their cars, Ferrari will go with guessing game once again.
Also their simulation department is not on par with RBR/Mclaren/Mercedes, so they are hiring almost all leftovers from top teams in this area. More like panic mode instead of slowly building tech team from almost zero, like Mercedes did.
Big Takeover
Member
Mercedes is definitely my pick to become the dominate team starting next year. Red Bull/Renault will be there too. Ferrari is going to be many years off from contending again. McLaren/Honda will probably beat them in that race back to the top. Just my gut feelings.
Vettel's deal not-so-coincidentally ends at the same time Rosberg's does. Lewis and Seb battling tooth and nail in the best car on the grid, that's my prediction for what F1 will be like a few years from now.
Psychotext
Member
If you think that his contract doesn't have performance clauses then you don't know sport.
Do you really believe the team is not giving him the best car because they don't want to? It's not because of him whining that they will suddenly learn to develop a car. The only thing positive he can get from this is more power within the team.
BTW the meeting between Abad and Horner was about Carlos Sainz Jr. who is also represented by Alonso's manager. Last year Ferrari tried to play mindtricks with Vettel's contract situation and now he's returning the favor. Abad as the asshole that he is, is feeding the info to Spanish press making people believe that it's in serious consideration to put pressure on Ferrari to make the decision his baby boy wants (apparently Alonso also asked for James Allison)
Remember LdM fired Aldo Costa because of Alonso. The same person that designed the 2013 Mercedes. Ha! Ha! Or as Alonso would say jajajajaja
The contract was automatically extended into 2015 because of performance clauses. There is no more performance clauses to get him out earlier.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Just because a contract can be extended by one performance clause doesn't necessarily mean that it can also be shortened by another. I doubt sincerely that Alonso wouldn't have a get out if Ferrari gave him a true stinker.
That's hardly the case though, they're just not quite there. As usual.
He's talking about Vettel's contract, not Alonso's.
Every driver always has a way out of a contract. They only have to whine in public about the team until the team is tired of the bad reputation and mutually agrees to an early termination. It works everytime.
The LdM statement to me reads like a public warning to Alonso that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. I don't think Alonso said anything worthy of the public reprimand, but LdM is probably a little worried after the Alonso-Red Bull rumor and is probably jumping to conclusions (like Abad and Horner want).
If I was betting men, I would put a lot of money into another Abad-Horner meeting to take place during the Summer break.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves, even you Shaneus, you have all been shown up by the most one eyed fan the board knows:Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen; they've all been in similar situations where they couldn't make an important overtake and they've all (including Vettel) performed some amazing important overtakes.
That's basically what I've been saying
To be fair though, they have been improving year on year.
Indeed, lol
Any team that doesn't supply data and then complains can just fuck off.
What happened this year? Pirelli had guidelines to be followed, teams didn't respect them and when tyres started to go off they complained.
Next year will be the same. If something happens to tyres, teams will point the finger in Pirelli's direction.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
So, Kimi leaves a note to Redbull after Hungary
Can't blame Fernando for speaking up, you would get sick of the crap Ferrari have been churning out sooner or later. Unbelievable that they have not won a championship since 2007 with all the resources they have. Just hope they don't turn into McLaren, losing your star driver and then they lost their major sponsor as well
KillerMan91
Member
It's money problem. You would need whole new venue at least here in Finland. There were some plans in nineties by some business men but now it has been quiet for many years. Also if you have gp in british weather yeah weather is not a problem =D. It was solid 27C just yesterday here in Helsinki. Summer is usually pretty warm here despite the cold and harsh winters.
5 years is nothing, they went 21 years before Schumi won. Ferrari are a weird team like that.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I think McLaren are going to surprise a lot of people next year. I've heard rumours of a massive sponsorship deal being tied up at the moment (more than Vodafone :O). We'll see if it pans out, but if they can get it signed I think they will be fine, if they get Whitmarsh out and Ron back in I could see them challenging for the title next season, well if they make a star signing to replace Button.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
You can't blame Fernando for being Fernando! Ferrari knew exactly what they're getting in Alonso so they should not complain about him, and publicly?!! That shows that there's a fracture within the team.
Meanwhile..
Lotus's hopes of keeping Kimi Raikkonen for F1 2014 set for boost
Red Bull: no pressure to pick F1 junior over Raikkonen or Alonso
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Happy to see Lotus have more financial security. Hopefully they can replace Allison quickly. Would love to see Adrian Newey jump across to Lotus. 
Would like too see them try and find their new "Hamilton"....the lack of talented young drivers in the field is disappointing since the teams are tending to stick with older and more experienced drivers so they don't get a chance
They won't find another driver like Hamilton for a long time.
Drivers like Hamilton & Vettel don't come around often.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I don't think that's a possibility. Di Resta would be my pick, but it would be a massive step up for him coming from FI. Losing Hamilton to Mercedes was such a huge blow to McLaren, he brings so much to the team and more than just his aggressive driving, he is a leading expert on setup and giving the right feedback to race engineers. Hamilton adds 0.5s to a team with those qualities, I think with him there McLaren would be fighting for podiums with this same car.
I think Hamilton has conclusively proved Whitmarsh wrong now, with a hatful of podium finishes in the Mercedes and now a race victory while McLaren toil away in 7th-10th position.
marvelharvey
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Slightly off topic, but I was just watching a Japanese TV programme about Japanese people who live abroad. They take the cameras around the person's home and talk about the weird local customs (well, weird to Japanese people anyway)
In today's show they were showing a family living in Finland. The wife was Japanese and the husband Finnish... A famous Finn nonetheless; Mika Salo!
They were having a house party, everyone got drunk and Mika Salo stripped naked and ran off to jump into a nearby lake. When I started watching the show last month, I wasn't expecting to randomly see Salo's arse.
In today's show they were showing a family living in Finland. The wife was Japanese and the husband Finnish... A famous Finn nonetheless; Mika Salo!
They were having a house party, everyone got drunk and Mika Salo stripped naked and ran off to jump into a nearby lake. When I started watching the show last month, I wasn't expecting to randomly see Salo's arse.
You can absolutely blame Alonso for being disrespectful to the team in public.
Ferrari should replace him and Massa and have a fresh start for 2014. I honestly don't think that it's just the team to blame for their shortcomings the last few years.
Excellent news for Lotus. I do hope this leads to them moving to becoming an established front runner. I was on the Kimi to Red Bull train before but now I want to see him stay at Lotus if they can provide him with a car strong enough for a title.
Happy to see Lotus have more financial security. Hopefully they can replace Allison quickly. Would love to see Adrian Newey jump across to Lotus.
For how long is Adrian Newey committed to Red Bull anyway? Not that he would want to go to a team that doesn't have infinite money like Red Bull.
Newey said that he'll be staying at RBR until he retires. He doesn't want to move to another team because his wife doesn't want to move. IIRC he turned down a huge offer by Ferrari in 2011 because he didn't want to move to Italy.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
For as long as the job keeps his interest.
How Mercedes fixed their rear tyre wear at Hungary (in Polish):
Basically slotted rear tyre rim that is fed cool air which keeps surface temperature down.
http://www.f1talks.pl/2013/07/30/me...ojnych-scianach-aby-obnizyc-temperature-opon/
Basically slotted rear tyre rim that is fed cool air which keeps surface temperature down.
http://www.f1talks.pl/2013/07/30/me...ojnych-scianach-aby-obnizyc-temperature-opon/
Blaming Alonso for Ferrari's shortcomings in the past years is something that I wouldn't expect in this thread. Even Omiee knows better.
So you don't think driver feedback is key to developing a championship winning car?
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Oh man, sets up a great end to the season if their solution works. Hamilton should give Vettel a run for his money now I hope.
No. Feedback certainly helps but it's nowhere near the key to develop a championship caliber car. A great team of designers, engineers and a reliable wind tunnel + CFD + simulator is what really matters.
And if what you say was remotely true then why did Renault won 2 titles when Alonso was there, why did McLaren improve in the only year he was there but then at Ferrari his cars are not competitive? He lost his ability to give driver feedback when he got older?
And if driver feedback was key, Kimi Raikkonen would never been able to win/fight for so many championships considering his well known shortcomings in that department.
Now this is interesting, maybe they already tested stuff like these on their 'test'