The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Adam Scott Aukerman
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He's gone full-Coulthard.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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It would have to be a self-driving sonic car for Massa to best the rest of the field these days. While their car isn't currently a red bull, it's still good enough for Alonso to be second in the championship, and to have come very close to winning championships in recent years. Nice as he may be, Massa isn't anywhere good enough any more.
Yeah, Massa is not very good but he is decent with a competitive car. Noone would care about his performance if Ferrari was good enough to win championships with Alonso. The car sucks and bringing Kimi to Ferrari wont save their ass.
Alonso is at his best, even with his godlike driving skills he can't win a championship. Being second in the championship with the best driver on the grid doesnt make the car competitive or good enough imho.
Didn't get a chance to post about it yesterday, but the Massa news is something I think we've all been expecting for a long time now, but it's still somewhat bittersweet to see him finally move on from Ferrari. He has had his ups and downs, but he always seemed like a nice guy, and a fucking loyal driver for the team. Best of luck to him in the future.
PdotMichael
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So Alonso can change the laws of physics with his godlike driving skills?
If Kimi is on the same level as Alonso next year do they have both laws of physics changing abilities or is the car maybe not that crappy?
Without him getting super licence then the Russian money laundry scheme doesn't put any more money on Sauber pockets and the team will be forced to close the doors.
Unless a miracle happens Sauber short term future is tied with Sirotkin.
That's the gist of it. For SAU there are only three scenarios possible:
- Gutierez AND Sirotkin as pay drivers
- leasing a full car without own development
- or close the doors
But the Sirotkin thing is as close to a done deal as possible in F1, so I see the other options at below 5% probability.
brotkasten
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It's pretty hard for me to get emotional about Massa. He had his chance, it didn't work out as hoped, he sucked after the accident. Good riddance.
Now putting Kimi in the other seat, I don't know about that. Ferrari needs to be strong and focused and hiring Kimi seems to be a move to piss off Alonso more than anything, hence the 1-year contract. I highly doubt it's possible to win a championship like that.
In the end, I don't prefer Alonso over Kimi or vice versa, as long as they win the WCC and perhaps even the WDC. Next year's definitely going to be interesting.
Now putting Kimi in the other seat, I don't know about that. Ferrari needs to be strong and focused and hiring Kimi seems to be a move to piss off Alonso more than anything, hence the 1-year contract. I highly doubt it's possible to win a championship like that.
In the end, I don't prefer Alonso over Kimi or vice versa, as long as they win the WCC and perhaps even the WDC. Next year's definitely going to be interesting.
Some interesting words on the Massa situation from Some Brazilian Guy On The Internet.
From here: http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...sa_will_not_be_driving_for_ferrari_in/cc5ngqv
What do you reckon? From out of his arse, or a realistic assessment of the importance of F1 in Brazil?
From here: http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...sa_will_not_be_driving_for_ferrari_in/cc5ngqv
What do you reckon? From out of his arse, or a realistic assessment of the importance of F1 in Brazil?
In todays F1 climate its close to impossible for MAS to secure a drive as a paid driver.
But: enough teams are cash strapped to a point, where they would take him if he brings money.
Psychotext
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So Niko Hülkenberg's merch is currently 50% off at the Sauber shop... Gutiérrez's stuff remains unchanged in price.
So that pretty much confirms Lotus for next year.
So that pretty much confirms Lotus for next year.
prettyvacant77
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Pitpass jumping the gun? Can't see this anywhere else...
http://www.pitpass.com/49869/Official-Raikkonen-rejoins-Ferrari
Edit: Apparently not, up on the Ferrari site now!
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/back-kimi
Fake Edit: Beaten!
http://www.pitpass.com/49869/Official-Raikkonen-rejoins-Ferrari
Edit: Apparently not, up on the Ferrari site now!
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/back-kimi
Fake Edit: Beaten!
VE3TRO
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Mastah
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Psychotext
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lolwtf (@lotus twitter)
Haha, wtf is that supposed to be.
Also their driving style is quite different, so Ferrari will have quite a work to do with creating car right in the middle (read: as Fernando wants).
VE3TRO
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Lotus just posted it on their Twitter. Obviously feel fucked by Kimi.
brotkasten
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You're making it sound like it was Massa's decision to leave the team.
massivekettle
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*insert michael jackson popcorn gif*
2014 will be plenty interesting. From Ferrari's POV, not sure whether Kimi was ever needed; in fact, they already had Hulk signed - Ferrari could have saved the extra 10-15m to focus on poaching technical geniuses like Newey, etc.
It's clear that Ferrari did not have a driver problem (especially if they could have landed Hulk); hiring Kimi does not fix their car problem one bit.
2014 will be plenty interesting. From Ferrari's POV, not sure whether Kimi was ever needed; in fact, they already had Hulk signed - Ferrari could have saved the extra 10-15m to focus on poaching technical geniuses like Newey, etc.
It's clear that Ferrari did not have a driver problem (especially if they could have landed Hulk); hiring Kimi does not fix their car problem one bit.
RukusProvider
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APB: Twitter Samurai wanted for 5150.
Keep in mind that they also picked up James Allison earlier this season. Who knows, maybe he played a key part in Ferrari picking up Räikkönen.
massivekettle
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Whilst I rate him highly, it remains to be seen whether he can actually bridge the gap to RBR. Don't think he will be enough; like Pat Fry was not enough.
He probably played a part in Kimi's comeback because of their connection - but he's a technical engineer, not a race engineer.
To be honest, I expect Alonso to beat Kimi with a healthy margin (not Massa-like of course, more Button/Rosberg-like) - now Ferrari's issue will be to develop a car that's a bit faster in qualifying as Kimi and Alonso are not renowned for their 1-lap pace these days.
Dutch Gronk
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He looks so good in red. So happy.
SamRambles
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My two favourite drivers driving for the same team, and i'm utterly disappointed. I don't know how to work out these feels to be honest.
Diablo Rosso
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Ferrari's problem is the car, like it is for McLaren. Kimi isn't going to fix that really. If they do sort the car out then they are in the best position to beat Red Bull.
Newey will never join Ferrari. He wants to work in the UK because of his wife.
This wasn't about "solving a driver problem" because if that was the case they would have gone with Hulkenburg not Kimi. This was about politics and LdM feeling the need to prove to Alonso that he doesn't have any power at Ferrari no matter how he outperforms the car or not. "Drivers come and go..."
While Vettel vetoed Raikkonen, Alonso didn't had that power.
If they only beat Red Bull they will be stuck on 2nd position again next year...
Diablo Rosso
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Who is going to be top?
Mercedes.
brotkasten
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I really wonder if there's much behind the Mercedes V6 hype.
Newey's wife doesn't want to move to "a third world country like Italy" (or something along those lines).
Newey's wife doesn't want to move to "a third world country like Italy" (or something along those lines).
I think this is going to blow up big time, say what you want about Alonso but he has dragged that Ferrari to places where it should not be over the last few years, why antagonise him? Kimi isn't that young as well and Hulk would have been a good compromise. Spend the money on building a better wind tunnel or new computer modelling instead, no point on having two expensive drivers when the car is slow
No one is saying it's real slow. The problem is it's qualifying performance is poor compared to Red Bull and Mercedes which puts them at a disadvantage, Alonso's fantastic starts helping to keep them in it. The Red Bull is a beast, Ferrari need to get closer to their performance. Next season is the perfect opportunity for a team to take over Red Bull's crown
Some on the paddock actually argue that Hulkenburg could actually be faster than Kimi and unlike Kimi he would be willing to work for Alonso.
But like you said LdM is just showing to Alonso that his previous work didn't earn him anything. And rightfully so Alonso is pissed that this how he's being repaid after the last couple of years.
However what did Alonso expected? Schumacher won 5 WDC at Ferrari and how did LdM show his appreciation? He fired him via a press release that was given to the press while Schumacher was driving the race at Monza...
Diablo Rosso
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What makes you say that?