RukusProvider
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Did Minardi ever have enough of a budget to even play with TC when it was legal?
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Psychotext
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Don't bring poor Massa into this !
Yeah, I really don't know what happened to my brain there.
Nope, but there are stories that he begged Ferrari to sell him TC on 'nice eyes'
What? Driving?
In the running for a seat apparently. Not sure how I feel, I would rather have him that the Russian kid, but there are a lot more young drivers that deserve a drive. Hell even Massa deserves a drive over him.
bobnowhere
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I think the rumor is just one final farewell drive at Interlagos. Unless Rubens has found wallet the size of Air Petrov's I can't imagine they think he's a long term prospect. Though on the other hand, with Hulk off and Gutierrez quite useless, maybe Sirotken's sponsorship will allow for a seasoned hand along side the young Russian.
Dutch Gronk
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RBR has been cheating for years now, so it wouldn't surprise me. Time to strip Vettel of all his wins.
PdotMichael
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One intriguing note on all of this comes from Italy, where former team owner Giancarlo Minardi spoke to Gazzetta dello Sport after Singapore and observed that he had been trackside in a hospitality unit and heard what he thought sounded like traction control, a stuttering sound in the exhaust note of Vettels car, during the post safety car period.
Needless to say this has picked up some echoes around the internet, as everyone looks for reasons for Vettels dominance. While there does seem to be some work being undertaken in engine mapping to work around the ban on exhaust blowing, which may have contributed to the strange sound, the issue of traction control is broadly taken care of by the common Electronic Control Unit, which is manufactured for the FIA by McLaren Electronics. Because the unit is specified and the same for every team, it is hard to conceal a traction control command in what is essentially a spec part.
Rather than traction control, some kind of mapping to blow into the exhaust within the rules is more likely and this all fits with the corner exit work that Red Bull has been carrying out.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/09/analysis-vettels-astonishing-speed-in-singapore-here-to-stay/
Needless to say this has picked up some echoes around the internet, as everyone looks for reasons for Vettels dominance. While there does seem to be some work being undertaken in engine mapping to work around the ban on exhaust blowing, which may have contributed to the strange sound, the issue of traction control is broadly taken care of by the common Electronic Control Unit, which is manufactured for the FIA by McLaren Electronics. Because the unit is specified and the same for every team, it is hard to conceal a traction control command in what is essentially a spec part.
Rather than traction control, some kind of mapping to blow into the exhaust within the rules is more likely and this all fits with the corner exit work that Red Bull has been carrying out.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/09/analysis-vettels-astonishing-speed-in-singapore-here-to-stay/
Psychotext
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Funnily enough, it's not the first time RB traction control has been mentioned.
There's a picture of Webber's car leaving spaced wheelspin trails in this very thread.
There's a picture of Webber's car leaving spaced wheelspin trails in this very thread.
This is not TC for what it's worth... but we do like a good conspiracy!
I like your style.
Eheheh.
This is mean, mate. =c
PdotMichael
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Looks like Webber got the inferior TC system.
Looks to me like the happy feet of an NFL quarterback.
WEB off the starting line wouldn't be wheelspin; it would be slowly moving forward with a bogging down engine.
He should just calm down and return to normal size.
PdotMichael
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Maybe he does have a big ass like Ricciardo .
Lol'd. Well done.
Ahahahaha. Brilliant.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Barrichello comeback at Interlagos, but he's cursed there...
@PitLaneTalk
Can we go back to Estoril now?
@PitLaneTalk
Can we go back to Estoril now?
No. If anything the Algarve circuit is better suited for F1 and could actually be interesting. But this country doesn't have any money to spend on F1.
The Felix da Costa news is no surprise. He is the new Helmut Marko golden boy and even with a down year he always had his support. The deal was sealed with the good results at Paul Ricard like they promised him before the Summer break.
The doubt now at STR is if Vergne, Hulk or Kvyat will get the 2nd seat. McLaren is trying to find a place for Magnussen but apparently Caterham is the only viable option for him (with McLaren paying for that seat).
Dutch Gronk
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We should start an internet petition. Those always get stuff done!
This thread, including taking into account the people in my ignored users list, will be a fine start.
Psychotext
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It's not really about the minimum car / driver weight though is it. It's more about size and weight distribution. Flexibility on ballast placement is very, very important.
Big Takeover
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They should really just leave driver weight out of the equation. It'll always be a disadvantage to be heavier, but at least it wouldn't be tied to ballast placement.
EDIT: Now that I actually think about it, that might be actually worse.
EDIT: Now that I actually think about it, that might be actually worse.
Wax Free Vanilla
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More rumours that Gillette will be McLaren's new title sponsor.
auto-motor-und-sport also report that FI still owe McLaren money for gearboxes and hydraulic systems. Magnussen in FI to clear the debt?
Massa and Magnussen would be a step up on their current lineup.
auto-motor-und-sport also report that FI still owe McLaren money for gearboxes and hydraulic systems. Magnussen in FI to clear the debt?
Massa and Magnussen would be a step up on their current lineup.
Psychotext
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I really hope not.
RukusProvider
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No Reuben's or senna please.
Senna is a 3rd tier driver. He's been able to use the name plenty.
Rubens at his best was 2nd tier and now too old.
F1 needs to give younger and current gifted talent a shot.
Senna is a 3rd tier driver. He's been able to use the name plenty.
Rubens at his best was 2nd tier and now too old.
F1 needs to give younger and current gifted talent a shot.
Elvin Atombender
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damn, didnt know webber was behind the wheel of this famous crash in 99
Didn't his car flip during the warm up laps and didn't start in the actual race?
Edit: I might have mixed them up since the crashes look so similar
bobnowhere
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Webber's car flipped twice in separate incidents in practice/qualifying/warmup not sure of the exact sessions. Mercedes blamed him and he didn't start the race. Of course Peter Dumbreck took off into the trees during the race confirming the error in the aero on the car!
brotkasten
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Alright, who's excited for Korea?
Unfortunately there are news saying that it's possible that a Typhoon will hit Yeongnam on Sunday.
Psychotext
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Seriously?
Eh, Vettel's magic diffuser will just blow the water away, so we're good.
Psychotext
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Would be surprised if it goes ahead then.
Assuming they can do qualifying, how does that work with regard to points? Results from qualifying or no results at all?
Assuming they can do qualifying, how does that work with regard to points? Results from qualifying or no results at all?
I don't know for sure, but I think no results at all. And I agree with you, obviously the forecasts can always change, but right now, I think that there is a huge possibility that there will be no race this week.
Yep, utterly pathetic response from Merc on that, even if they didn't think it was their design, to blame a driver for that kind of incident is ludicrous.