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[Wax Free Vanilla]

EJ saying Hulk to Force India done :/

lotus is a sinking ship so it makes sense for the hulk to go to force india.

don't they have a technical partnership with mercedes from next year?

the hulk will use them as a stepping stone to get rosberg's seat at mercedes.

 

[DrM]

Well, speaking about sinking ships, FI is in similar financial trouble

 

[Lach]

Well...EJ has been right too much lately to doubt him.

I would have hoped Sauber's recent progress could encourage Hulk to stay if he couldn't find a better car. With the russian money coming in they have a really good chance to carry the good form on to next season....Would be really sad to have two medicore drivers race for them next season...

 

[apotema]

Continuing with the tradition


On a side note: Gutierrez did an incredible job, Sauber may be able to pass Force India if the momentum continues, maybe McLaren!

 

[Juicy Bob]

I have no reason to doubt Eddie Jordan, but Hulk moving back to Force India would be such a fucking waste of his talent.

 

[Ce-Lin]

forgot to post this earlier this morning, sorry for the translation, it should be available in your favorite English site


snippets from Martin Whitmarsh interview, of course you guys know better than him so maybe it's just a waste of time.

http://motor.as.com/motor/2013/10/13/formula_1/1381619982_485117.html

Q: How would you explain RBR domination ? is it Vettel, Newey, or both ?

A: I'd say they are spending an absurd amount of money compared to the rest of the teams, this is the main factor in my opinion.

Apart from that, yes, Adrian is a key asset, Vettel maybe is not getting the credit he deserves. If you compare him to Alonso you see that Alonso gets more points than his actual car could ever get, on the other hand we all have the feeling Vettel gets the points his car allows, even though Vettel is doing a great job Fernando is going beyond all that, I'd say Alonso is responsible for Vettel not getting the whole media and fans' attention.

Q: Do you think Alonso could ever go back to McLaren ?

A: Not now, if he was without a seat... of course, it would be fantastic, every team principal says they would kill to have him on board, he always gets the car on Sundays in a position you would think impossible minutes before the race. A strong driver, a smart competitor, experienced, fierce and compromised, no one else makes the most out of the machinery... but there is this thing called contract and we can't break that, who knows in 2015.

Q: So was it a mistake to let him go after 2007 ?

A: I've always regretted that, he's become stronger and smarter with every race if that was possible, it was a huge mistake.

Q: Honda seems to want Fernando back in McLaren no matter what...

A: Of course ! but as I said McLaren want him too ! but the sad reality is that the contract with Ferrari is there for all to see, not an option for 2014.

Q: Who is the best driver nowadays ?

A: Alonso just because, as I stated, he is capable of getting the impossible out of the cars he drives, even average cars, this might sound rude to Ferrari but that's for all to see too.

Q: But Vettel has won 3 WDCs and is the new 2013-14 WDC...

A: Yes of course, but he drives a much better car than the rest, that is a huge factor, he's doing a good job with it no doubt, both Alonso and Vettel are at the top.

 

[Milchjon]

Yay Vettel.

I wonder why I always hated Michael Schumacher, but never Vettel.

 

[Shaneus]

Second stint engineer says they have to switch to 3 stops. Webber questions it, thinks he might be able to make it. RBR says it will work out fine, so he stops.

Ah. In your opinion, do you reckon he could have? And would that have won him the race?

(I'm sorry for asking all this shit, it's not likely I'll find any info like it online and the only people who would really know are those who watched it. I don't think I can be bothered :/ )

“Unfortunately the time he lost behind Grosjean didn’t enable him to hunt down Sebastian over those last few laps,” said Horner, adding the prospect of his drivers fighting for victory in the final laps “would have been uncomfortable but they would have been free to do over the remaining laps”.

Oh, like they would've let either of them hunt each other down. The car's always been pushed that bloody close (apparently) each race, they would've found any excuse to get them to not do it.

 

[RukusProvider]

Ah. In your opinion, do you reckon he could have? And would that have won him the race?

(I'm sorry for asking all this shit, it's not likely I'll find any info like it online and the only people who would really know are those who watched it. I don't think I can be bothered :/ )


Oh, like they would've let either of them hunt each other down. The car's always been pushed that bloody close (apparently) each race, they would've found any excuse to get them to not do it.

Woulda' coulda shoulda' again...fact is Vettel got by RG immediately where as Webber wasted most of his tires doing so.

 

[ramparter]

Webber seems happy however, maybe because it's obvious to everyone now how badly his team treats him...

 

[Addnan]

Ah. In your opinion, do you reckon he could have? And would that have won him the race?

(I'm sorry for asking all this shit, it's not likely I'll find any info like it online and the only people who would really know are those who watched it. I don't think I can be bothered :/ )


Oh, like they would've let either of them hunt each other down. The car's always been pushed that bloody close (apparently) each race, they would've found any excuse to get them to not do it.

Hard to say, his first stop was really early and so he would have had to look after his tyres a lot in the second stint which you know he's not that great at doing. and yeah he should have got Grosjean within 2 laps and not the 5+ it took him in the end. By the time he got passed him it was too late.

 

[Psychotext]

I really couldn't have seen Webber managing 24 laps on those tyres. At the end of the day they tried for the undercut and failed (Webber needed to drive the wheels off it in those 3 laps between his and Grosjean's pit stop) and from that point on it was always going to be a struggle to eke out two stops whilst wrecking his tyres in Grosjean's dirty air.

As for choice, he pitted first so I can only assume that was his decision at that point. Either way, it's telling that Vettel cruised past Grosjean on hards (8 laps newer) and Webber took 5 laps to do it on mediums which were 13 laps newer.

 

[RukusProvider]

I really couldn't have seen Webber managing 24 laps on those tyres. At the end of the day they covered off Grosjean's stop and it was a mistake to do so (reminiscent of Ferrari at Abu Dhabi), from that point on it was always going to be a struggle to eke out two stops whilst wrecking his tyres in Grosjean's dirty air.

As for choice, he pitted first so I can only assume that was his decision at that point. Either way, it's telling that Vettel cruised past Grosjean on hards (8 laps newer) and Webber took 5 laps to do it on mediums which were 13 laps newer.

BRO! NOT THE SAME CAR! RED BULL HELLA SCREWED OVER WEBBER! CALLED LOTUS TO LET VETTEL BY DUDE!

 

[PdotMichael]

Webber was also driving with less downforce than Vettel.

There is no reason to believe that Webber would overtake Romain with a two stops strategy after he failed in the first half of the race, so it was a smart movie to go for 3 stops.

But Webber has the talent to turn every strategy into an "inferior strategy".

 

[Psychotext]

I got my facts wrong in that post for what it's worth (and edited). That's what happens when you watch races at 6am!

 

[Shaneus]

I got my facts wrong in that post for what it's worth (and edited). That's what happens when you watch races at 6am!

Rad, thanks for clearing it up (though I'm sure I read your post before you edited and can't see any difference, but whatever!

 

[Business]

forgot to post this earlier this morning, sorry for the translation, it should be available in your favorite English site


snippets from Martin Whitmarsh interview, of course you guys know better than him so maybe it's just a waste of time.

Huge praise by Whitmarsh. They must be close to sign him if not already done.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Why would Alonso want to go back to McLaren?

Why?

 

[RukusProvider]

Why would Alonso want to go back to McLaren?

Why?

Political issues with McLaren? power struggle with LDM?

Not happy with the Ferrari focus on 2014 and onwards?

McLaren lining up large technical talent to potentially start a reign?

 

[Psychotext]

Man, Ron Dennis must be really out of the picture if there's any chance of Alonso going back.

 

[TCRS]

Juan Manuel Fangio's car, now up for auction:

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/the-ex-juan-manuel-fangio-1970-ika-torino-380s
source: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/12/fangios-daily-driver-auction/

going to watch the race now.

 

[PdotMichael]

Alonso
"It will be nice to come back to the old days at Ferrari, where we were fighting for first and second, and then decide in the races who wins.

"Or do like Red Bull does - one car does two stops, one car does three stops, and they finish first and second. This is a much easier life."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110624

Yeah, Alonso lost it.

 

[Psychotext]

Bless, he's so political.

 

[Ark]

Why would Alonso want to go back to McLaren?

Why?

• Maybe McLaren will come back with vengeance next season.
  
• Maybe Mercedes will be super fucking quick next season.
  
• Maybe Ferrari with Kimi will be awe-inspiringly amazing next season.
  
• Maybe RBR and Vettel won't be making the sport boring as fuck next season.

I'm tired of saying all of the above year after year only to have it thrown back in my face. I won't be watching India, because it's a pile of shit, but I'm so bored of this setup. Vettel & Pirelli have really made F1 a boring side-show. Don't get me wrong, Vettel has bags of talent and RBR has bags of money too, but forgive me for wanting some actual competition. I'm happy with Vettel winning, it's a treat to watch someone like that race, but I want some variation in the race & championship results.

 

[Psychotext]

I must be missing something, because I thought the last two races were actually pretty good. Do you people really just care about the championship and nothing else? There was loads of really exciting races all through the field in these last two.

Hell, even Singapore wasn't bad assuming you ignored first place.

 

[Dilly]

I must be missing something, because I thought the last two races were actually pretty good. Do you people really just care about the championship and nothing else? There was loads of really exciting races all through the field in these last two.

Hell, even Singapore wasn't bad assuming you ignored first place.

Yes.

2007, 2008 and 2009 were amazing seasons.

 

[Psychotext]

I don't recall 2009 being a particularly good season, but I can understand it if what makes a season worth watching is championships being tight.

Though with that said, why not 2012 which went right to the line too?

 

[TCRS]

lotus is a sinking ship so it makes sense for the hulk to go to force india.

Why is Lotus a sinking ship? I thought now that Raikkonen is gone so is their biggest expense.

 

[Omiee]

Yes.

2007, 2008 and 2009 were amazing seasons.

2010 was a pretty good season with each race being pretty exciting.

first half of 2009 was pretty boring though


also vettel as many points as ferrari in the constructors loll

 

[navanman]

Why is Lotus a sinking ship? I thought now that Raikkonen is gone so is their biggest expense.

Drivers don't make a team sucessful IMO, Its the team behind the scenes.
There has been a massive brain drain from Lotus this year with uncertainty over the future of the team.
Ferrari have taken on 2 of the best engineers in James Allison & Dirk De Beer.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Somebody posted Honda's v6 sound preview

On this weekend at Suzuka, Honda had little exhibition booth displaying old cars, where they published QR code for the link to download the 2015 engine sound, in advance exclusively for the GP goers, ahead of official release on 18th Oct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l4Gk8J5vL0&feature=player_embedded#t=0

Sounds better than the Merc and Reno.

 

[DrM]

Somebody posted Honda's v6 sound preview



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l4Gk8J5vL0&feature=player_embedded#t=0

Sounds better than the Merc and Reno.

Sounds like our old Vorwerk vacuum cleaner

 

[TCRS]

What a great race, I fucking love Suzuka. Especially Grosjean, Alonso, Hulkenburg and Gutierrez were brilliant. but Vettel and Webber weren't bad either.

Love these traditional tracks.

 

[Psychotext]

Sounds like our old Vorwerk vacuum cleaner

Sounds a bit like my dremel at high revs.

 

[Coldsnap]

Going to watch the Japan race today. Haven't watched a race in years, how was it?

 

[G-Unit]

went to sleep when it was clear who was gonna win around lap 28

 

[Addnan]

Finally got round to watching Rush. Much better than I had anticipated. Recommend it.

 

[Zeppu]

Just finished watching it now. Man Grosjean was fantastic at the start.

Suzuka is always pretty exciting.

 

[Pterion]

went to sleep when it was clear who was gonna win around lap 28

Vettel will likely win all the remaining races. Oh well.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Johnny Herbert ‏says:

Alonso - McLaren, Hulkenberg - Ferrari, Massa - Lotus, Chilton - Force India, Magnussen - Marussia #crediblesource

 

[theignoramus]

Yay Vettel.

I wonder why I always hated Michael Schumacher, but never Vettel.

Schumacher is less personable than Vettel. He's also a dirtier driver. Has Seb ever done anything like what Michael tried to do to Barrichelo in Hungary?

 

[Psychotext]

went to sleep when it was clear who was gonna win around lap 28

Around lap 28 I thought they'd made a major mistake with Vettel's strategy as Webber was lapping a second and a half quicker than him. How on earth did you know he was going to win at that point?

 

[DrM]

Johnny Herbert ‏says:

With this pace, Chilton will be in Mclaren in 3 seasons

 

[Dilly]

I don't recall 2009 being a particularly good season, but I can understand it if what makes a season worth watching is championships being tight.

Though with that said, why not 2012 which went right to the line too?

Because that was an obvious outcome, if Alonso had a car to challenge at Interlagos, it would've been exciting.

It was obvious Alonso wasn't going to be WC after being punted by Grosjean.

 

[Psychotext]

Because that was an obvious outcome, if Alonso had a car to challenge at Interlagos, it would've been exciting.

It was obvious Alonso wasn't going to be WC after being punted by Grosjean.

But up until two races before that point it was still crazily close. Surely you wouldn't rate the whole season based on the result of the final two races?

 

[NHale]

Why would Alonso want to go back to McLaren?

Why?

Because he has to worry about his future considering Ferrari still didn't showed signs of solving their infrastructure and staff problems and Vettel arrives at Maranello in 2015 or 2016...

McLaren with Honda + Santander + Coca-Cola money is very appealing I would think.

 

[Coldsnap]

Great driving by Lotus today.

 

[Dilly]

But up until two races before that point it was still crazily close. Surely you wouldn't rate the whole season based on the result of the final two races?

Yeah, because Ferrari was sure to keep up RB's pace of development with their awesome wind tunnel.

So I just did.

Vettel, Pirelli, DRS, it made F1 crap to watch. Too bad it took me a few years to figure that out.

 

[DrM]

Can't wait to see new Ferrari windtunnel. Probably powered by fairies if we look how long it took them to build it.

 

[Zeppu]

Damn Red Bull for making a good car and constantly improving it. Ruining the fun for everyone else.