Like him? Ofcourse, unless you think he's some kind of driving god.
With his achievements? No.
Different thing.
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Like him? Ofcourse, unless you think he's some kind of driving god.
With his achievements? No.
Different thing.
Lotus never fooled me in thinking that they are the cool team that their Twitter account make them look like. They're the same bunch of guys that ruined Piquet Jr's career by ploting that "accident" that gave Alonso his only victory in 2008 and took away Massa's title; the same team that dumped Heidfeld like he as a piece of crap, and lot more...
They are the face of Flavio Briatori as a team.
They are the face of Flavio Briatori as a team.
Psychotext
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To be able to achieve what he has by the age of 26? Yeah, I think it's unlikely we'll see that happen again (for numerous reasons).
Guys are coming to the F1 by the age of 18. In 10 years 12 year old boys will come in and smash that record. =)
Like I said.
To be honest, I was fooled. But as I said in an earlier post, it's no coincidence that Grosjean has been outperforming Kimi in the last races. Anyway Alonso won twice in 2008, back to back actually. And speaking of him, his performance in the last races makes me believe more and more that he has already signed for another team. I don't think he gives a sh*t about Ferrari any more.
PdotMichael
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brotkasten
Member
Congratulations to Sebastian and his team. They did a tremendous job and once again made the competition look like fools.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Realistically, it's possible for someone to achieve that by 24, maybe even 22 if they're really bloody good, but it's so dependant on timing of other factors that yes, it's 'unlikely'.
Personally I find domination of any sport incredibly boring, so I'd really rather not see it happen again!
Agreed. Sebastian Loeb killed the WRC for me. Vettel and RBR are about to do the same for F1.
KillerMan91
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Agreed. Sebastian Loeb killed the WRC for me. Vettel and RBR are about to do the same for F1.
And now there is another Sebastian lol.
Psychotext
Member
Agreed. Sebastian Loeb killed the WRC for me. Vettel and RBR are about to do the same for F1.
If Schumacher could not do it, Vettel won't either.
True. Take Alonso for example, he grabs two titles, then goes to McLaren, drives a winning car but still manages to screw his relationship with the team. And no I'm not saying it was all his fault but clearly he is not very good in that area. I believe he would have won the 2007 wdc too if he had handled things better.
Genuine question. Do you guys think Vettel will be happy at the end of his career to have won all his world championships with a energy drink company and not a works team? I've been talking to some friends and just find it a little weird. I mean are RBR even in it for the long haul.
gutterboy44
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I never thought we would see another 4 time champion so soon after Schumi. Damn, I remember his win at Monza with Toro Rosso and thought he had a lot of promise but RBR and Vettel are just beasting.
I really hope 2014 delivers some closer competition. Having someone dominate makes it that much more satisfying when they get knocked off. Would be great if it was Alonso again. Slayer of the mega champs.
I really hope 2014 delivers some closer competition. Having someone dominate makes it that much more satisfying when they get knocked off. Would be great if it was Alonso again. Slayer of the mega champs.
RukusProvider
Banned
Yes. He seems to care about fast laps/wins/poles more than the logo on his racing suit.
PdotMichael
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It's like asking if Schumacher's first two titles are less worth because the team had the name of an ugly fashion company.
And Vettel is the result of the Red Bull junior programme, so it shouldn't be just a softdrink company for him.
And Vettel is the result of the Red Bull junior programme, so it shouldn't be just a softdrink company for him.
True, however I wasn't really into F1 when Schumi was dominating.
Psychotext
Member
I think Ferrari titles are worth less because of all that tobacco promotion. Shameful, ruining lives like that.
I thought about that too which is why I'm pretty sure he'll switch to Ferrari (or McLaren) at some point. Win a title with a proper historic team and not one named after a fucking energy drink.
As in four championships and never again?
Red Bull, while first and foremost a drink company, is also hugely into all sorts of sports around the world. Adding F1 titles to their repertoire seems like a natural fit when you consider how many other events or teams they sponsor.
Check their wiki page. These are just events they own, not counting teams they own or just sponsor:
Red Bull Stratos
Red Bull Cliff Diving World Series
Red Bull Rampage
Red Bull Ragnaraok
Red Bull Road Rage
Red Bull Romaniacs Hard Enduro Rallye
Red Bull Crashed Ice
Red Bull X-Fighters
Red Bull X-Alps
Red Bull Air Race World Championship
Red Bull Flugtag
Red Bull Paperwings
Red Bull LAN
Red Bull Training Grounds
Red Bull sports events
Red Bull Art of Motion
Red Bull BC One
Red Bull Cold Rush
Red Bull Dolomitenmann - A 4-man relay competition including trail running, paragliding, kayaking, mountainbiking
Red Bull Elements - A 4-man relay competition including rowing, trail running, paragliding, mountainbiking
Red Bull MotoGP Rookie Cup
Indianapolis motorcycle Grand Prix
Red Bull Supernatural - A "backcountry boarding competition designed to challenge, then crown the best all-around snowboarder on the planet."
Red Bull Soapbox Race
F1 titles were bound to happen.
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, at least Red Bull didn't left F1 after the first subpar results unlike many works teams.
Big Takeover
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Red Bull picked him up at age 11, and completely shaped his already incredible career. I don't think he gives a rat's ass about the history of Ferrari or McLaren. I sure as hell wouldn't. Red Bull have done better by him than any team have ever done for a driver. If you want to argue Clark and Lotus, I'll accept that however
What they have achieved is fantastic and you can't help but be amazed at Vettel.
However, it's time for some change, nobody likes a dominant force (no matter how charismatic they are/ aren't): we need closer competition at the top.
Really hope 2014 brings that...
And ... for god's sake, bring back refueling !!!
However, it's time for some change, nobody likes a dominant force (no matter how charismatic they are/ aren't): we need closer competition at the top.
Really hope 2014 brings that...
And ... for god's sake, bring back refueling !!!
Thinking about it, if we had refueling and 1-2 more sets of tires, we could see drivers doing 4 pit stops pushing in the limit and not conserving tires.
ClassyPenguin
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Haven't they've said that refueling will most likely never be brought back because of the dangers?
Dutch Gronk
Banned
That's it, I'm naming my kid Sebastian.
I'm gonna be the father of a world champion!
...
God, what a sad future.
Psychotext
Member
brotkasten
Member
Don't worry, guys. Twitter-based performance boosts and sprinklers will save the sport.
As long as Vettel stays out of the damn Red Bull Flugtag! lol
After this, maybe that's his next step.
I will tweet on Prupose
Myoclonic Jerk
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I don't mind Redbull in F1, I don't actually mind cash cows like tobacco and alcohol companies to own teams if the laws didn't prevent them from advertising.
If Tobacco companies were still in F1 we wouldn't have seen all this cost cutting shit
If Tobacco companies were still in F1 we wouldn't have seen all this cost cutting shit
No refuelling is so much better, IMO.
I remember so many races in the refuelling days being decided in the pits because a driver simply waited for his opponent to pit and bombed it for a couple of laps to come out ahead after his stop. About as exciting and inevitable as an overtake in one of the FIA's overly-generous DRS zones.
I remember so many races in the refuelling days being decided in the pits because a driver simply waited for his opponent to pit and bombed it for a couple of laps to come out ahead after his stop. About as exciting and inevitable as an overtake in one of the FIA's overly-generous DRS zones.
Mastah
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BBC agrees with Bild and reports Ross Brawn will leave Mercedes at the end of the year:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24725406
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24725406
Massive news alright. Where to next?
McLaren must be tempting with the Honda dream team in the making?
Hmm, article says McLaren is unlikely due to his past relationship with Honda.
I'd guess McLaren. Although Brawn didn't have the best experience with them as a works team I'd imagine the relationship will be a lot different when they're just the engine supplier.
But isn't that what qualifying's for?
I like seeing racing during the race and 100%, flat-out, balls to the wall driving in qualifying. Which is what I think we have today.
Psychotext
Member
We have tyre conservation during the race on the whole. Anyone that gets too racy is punished pretty badly.
On a different note, now that the championships are over, will those mostly interested in the championship watch for the racing (up and down the field) or is that it for this season for you?
On a different note, now that the championships are over, will those mostly interested in the championship watch for the racing (up and down the field) or is that it for this season for you?