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[brotkasten]

Red Bull say that changing the design of Formula 1's tyres mid-season was key to Sebastian Vettel's title win.

Ferrari's Fernando Alonso was only 21 points behind the German after eight races this season.

But the tyres were changed after failures at the British Grand Prix in June, and Vettel has won seven out of eight races since.

"Going back to 2012 tyres for sure helped us," Red Bull designer Adrian Newey said.

"Our car generally gets quite a bit of its benefit in the high-speed corners and the '13 tyres were much more load-sensitive.

"It was much easier to damage them if you put too much load into them, so we couldn't really use that high-speed benefit on the '13 tyres."

Alonso had already identified the decision to revert to the more durable 2012 tyres as a reason for Ferrari's loss of form.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24717889


Ehhh. It helped, sure, but I'd say that RB would've adapted rather sooner than later and still won the WCC.

 

[ramparter]

Last year Texas was a great race, I really liked the track, looking forward to it.

 

[Psychotext]

Ehhh. It helped, sure, but I'd say that RB would've adapted rather sooner than later and still won the WCC.

Aye, they had won three races (would have been a fourth without a mechanical failure in Britain) before the change so it's not like they were exactly struggling.

Vettel was leading by a reasonable margin before they reverted to 2012 tyres, though obviously he wasn't dominant.

 

[brotkasten]

And once again the same shit, just like every year.

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali has lamented the team's inability to give their drivers "a car good enough to fight" Sebastian Vettel on equal terms.

Vettel won his sixth consecutive race at Sunday's Indian Grand Prix to wrap up a fourth Drivers' Championship on the trot, leaving Fernando Alonso to battle it out with Kimi Raikkonen over second place in the standings.

Domenicali believes they let their drivers down as the machinery was not up to scratch this year.

"This year, we were unable to give our drivers a car good enough to fight with Vettel on equal terms, apart from at the very beginning of the season," he told the official Ferrari website.

"Thanks to Fernando and his amazing talent, we managed to worry the World Champion elect more than the others, but unfortunately, our efforts were not enough to fight all the way to the very end.

"Now, it's important to try and end this season in the best way possible. These are crucial weeks that we have ahead of us to the end of the year, because the work we are doing in preparation for 2014 is vital if we want to be the team that puts an end to this Red Bull dominance, just as we and Fernando have been their main rivals over the past four seasons."

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/8997837/Ferrari-failed-to-deliver-a-good-car-
I'm so sick of this team.

 

[kharma45]

Since Rory Byrne is designing next years car it'll be good. I hope.

 

[PdotMichael]

I see that Newey came out today and said the change back to 2012 tyre spec was the key to Vettel winning the title again this year.
RBR and Sauber were the big winners with this move.

They would have won the titles even with the old tyres. The other teams like Lotus, Mercedes or Ferrari were stealing points from each other while Red Bull and Vettel were pretty much good enough for a lot of points in all races.
Vettel's worst position was fourth after all (not counted the DNF in Silverstone).

 

[brotkasten]

Since Rory Byrne is designing next years car it'll be good. I hope.

One man can only do so much. I doubt the 2014 car will be any better. How they haven't replaced Domenicali yet, I don't know.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

I'm so sick of this team.

Yeah, same old, same old. Next year is gonna be no different, probably still can't qualify for shit and all the success will come from Kimi and Fernando pull shit out of their ass.

 

[Fantomex]

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better for Ferrari to fire everyone. I know it sounds ridiculous but still. How you gonna sell sports cars and always finish second to a Sports Drink company

 

[RukusProvider]

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better for Ferrari to fire everyone. I know it sounds ridiculous but still. How you gonna sell sports cars and always finish second to a Sports Drink company

Ford/jaguar failed. Toyota recently failed.

The logo means little. It's the talent you have gathered and made to work together. Redbull is doing a great job at that.

 

[Massa]

Ford/jaguar failed. Toyota recently failed.

The logo means little. It's the talent you have gathered and made to work together. Redbull is doing a great job at that.

Everyone failed, nobody can catch up to the bull. Sports cars sales to reach zero if this continues, dealerships will only sell energy drinks from now on.

 

[Lach]

Sauber seem desperate to find a new driver

On a more serious note they uploaded a combined video of their cutaways series (describing an F1 car, using a split F1 car for visualization)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3q6D-K0J9A

 

[DrM]

Since Rory Byrne is designing next years car it'll be good. I hope.

Well, he worked also on this year's car and on last year's car.... They are poaching engineers from other teams, but a lot of staff is also laid off after one year, but some are eternal, like Domenicalli.

I see them screwing their windtunnel again and then they will be baffled in April, what is wrong again with the car.

 

[kharma45]

Well, he worked also on this year's car and on last year's car.... They are poaching engineers from other teams, but a lot of staff is also laid off after one year, but some are eternal, like Domenicalli.

I see them screwing their windtunnel again and then they will be baffled in April, what is wrong again with the car.

He was just a consultant on those ones though, this time he's the chief designer.

 

[DrM]

He was just a consultant on those ones though, this time he's the chief designer.

Well, he had more than just consulting role on this year's car. But again, his designs exceled with unlimited aero and track testing, but now times are different. One man cannot bring wonders, even Newey would be in cold water without his close team of designers and lead engineers.

 

[MrKaepora]

Uncle Bernie never learns.

Swiss launch criminal probe into F1 bribery scandal

 

[Omiee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShQpMVd2YzI

i love this guy, he is an absolute treasure to the sport. I dont care what people think about his dominance. He is clean, a nice guy and loves the sport so much. He loves competing and the kid has an amazing drive to win. This season was almost perfect for him.

 

[Dilly]

He is clean? What?

Also, saying you don't care what other people think loses its meaning when you constantly try to persuade people about how great he is.

 

[kharma45]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShQpMVd2YzI

i love this guy, he is an absolute treasure to the sport. I dont care what people think about his dominance. He is clean, a nice guy and loves the sport so much. He loves competing and the kid has an amazing drive to win. This season was almost perfect for him.

We get it. You love him, we don't.

 

[Psychotext]

In fairness, plenty of us here like him. Love is a bit strong though...

With that said, I think I'd have a bit of a schoolgirl moment if I met him, but then I would if I met Alonso or Webber either (Can't say I care about the rest of them).

 

[Omiee]

He is clean? What?

Also, saying you don't care what other people think loses its meaning when you constantly try to persuade people about how great he is.

What i meant by clean driver he does not try to pull dirty tricks and say stuff about his team like alonso did.

 

[Dead Man]

What i meant by clean driver he does not try to pull dirty tricks and say stuff about his team like alonso did.

LOL.

 

[Chris R]

In fairness, plenty of us here like him. Love is a bit strong though...

With that said, I think I'd have a bit of a schoolgirl moment if I met him, but then I would if I met Alonso or Webber either (Can't say I care about the rest of them).

I don't like him at all, but I recognize his dominance. Granted, I don't think he would be as dominant in ANY other car, but who is? Top tier driver, but of the current batch I think there are at least two who are better.

 

[Blablurn]

We get it. You love him, we don't.

I love Vettel too.

 

[Addnan]

I love Vettel too.

We know, but you have to. Being German and stuff.

 

[Dilly]

What i meant by clean driver he does not try to pull dirty tricks and say stuff about his team like alonso did.

I'd give you your wanted agressiveness in this thread, but I'm not going to get my account banned.

 

[Gruso]

What i meant by clean driver he does not try to pull dirty tricks and say stuff about his team like alonso did.

I believe the term for that is 'company man'.

/ducks

 

[kharma45]

What i meant by clean driver he does not try to pull dirty tricks and say stuff about his team like alonso did.

Multi 21 Seb, multi 21

 

[PdotMichael]

What nonsense.

All drivers did or said bullshit in the past.

 

[Zeknurn]

Multi 21 Seb, multi 21

I still stand by the fact that if any other driver had ignored team orders that early in the season they would have been applauded.

 

[Dead Man]

What nonsense.

All drivers did or said bullshit in the past.

Of course they did, that is not in question. This is:

What i meant by clean driver he does not try to pull dirty tricks

Which is self evident bullshit.

 

[PdotMichael]

Of course they did, that is not in question. This is:

Which is self evident bullshit.

Well, it's about the definition of "dirty tricks". I don't remember that Vettel did something against the spirit of the sports - like lying to the stewards or wanting team order when it was forbidden.
But he is playing the same game as all the other drivers.

 

[brotkasten]

Well, it's about the definition of "dirty tricks". I don't remember that Vettel did something against the spirit of the sports - like lying to the stewards or wanting team order when it was forbidden.
But he is playing the same game as all the other drivers.

Which means he's not better than any other driver in that regard. That's all people here are trying to say.

 

[PdotMichael]

Which means he's not better than any other driver in that regard. That's all people here are trying to say.

Yes, though all acting childish right now here.

 

[Dead Man]

Yes, though all acting childish right now here.

Shifting goal posts. LOL.

 

[brotkasten]

Yes, though all acting childish right now here.

Hence the lost of some valuable members in the past two seasons.

 

[NHale]

All of you are acting like cucumbers.

 

[PdotMichael]

Shifting goal posts. LOL.

Funny, but my first post was about that all drivers have their moments.

see post number #19230

 

[Dead Man]

Funny, but my first post was about that all drivers have their moments.

see post number #19230

Which had nothing to do with Omiees assertion, which is what lead to you looking foolish, which lead to you shifting the goal posts.

Enjoy the thread guys.

 

[Psychotext]

I still stand by the fact that if any other driver had ignored team orders that early in the season they would have been applauded.

Rosberg should have in that very same race. The team screwed him.

 

[PdotMichael]

Which had nothing to do with Omiees assertion, which is what lead to you looking foolish, which lead to you shifting the goal posts.

Enjoy the thread guys.

You're trying too hard.

You read things into my first post which don't exist.

 

[Zeknurn]

Rosberg should have in that very same race. The team screwed him.

Absolutely.

 

[Milchjon]

You guys must be the most self-hating community on GAF. Whenever I check into this thread, there's talk about how everything sucks :-D

 

[Psychotext]

Driver negativity rubbing off on their fans.

(DRS sucks, Tyres suck, Tracks suck, Bernie sucks)

 

[brotkasten]

You guys must be the most self-hating community on GAF. Whenever I check into this thread, there's talk about how everything sucks :-D

It's a tie between F1 GAF and Windows Phone GAF.

And I post in both threads …

 

[Milchjon]

It's a tie between F1 GAF and Windows Phone GAF.

And I post in both threads …

WPGAF is bitter about its subject, F1GAF is bitter about each other ;-)

I could totally see this all being your fault, though.

 

[kharma45]

I still stand by the fact that if any other driver had ignored team orders that early in the season they would have been applauded.

Most likely, but it still doesn't change the fact that it was wrong.

 

[Deadman]

Imagine the fan reaction to that race if the last 20 laps were the first 4 cars following each other home, forbidden to race.

 

[Zeppu]

Imagine the fan reaction to that race if the last 20 laps were the first 4 cars following each other home, forbidden to race.

If Red Bull had not given out team orders:
Fucking Red Bull probably messaged Webber or gimped his car to let Vettel through.

If Red Bull had given team orders and Vettel had listened:
Fucking Red Bull not allowing drivers to race each other. This is the ruination of the sport. What is even the point of having races if drivers can't race each other?

If Red Bull had given team orders and Vettel hadn't listened:
Fuck you Vettel, you piece of shit.

 

[Dilly]

Omiee's drive-by posting has done it again.